LOL.

i dont build all the sites myself, i am the Director here.

im currently designing a new inteface for the site and we need to add some new features.

and make the site more interactive.

Thanks for the advice, but you really didnt talk about the structure, ease of use, the links and all

the structure is good but I don't find the site that easy to navigate. It would be nice if I knew what to expect up front instead of having to click deeper and deeper b4 finding out on my own. Again, pictures would help as well.

I feel ya!!

thanks Lady!

@Gamine, I think the palms site is pretty promising, but u guys seem to have missed the plot with the home page.

Even though the home page looks a bit friendly and has cool colours, the arrangement seems a bit out of place. It might be quite late now to make major changes, but it pays to always make a sketch on paper before designing on the computer. Nice choice of colours though.

A way out would be to have two distinct columns. The left column (wider) can contain the usual info, then the row to the right can house the news and the tower flash animation. I think you should give the 'shopping experience' picture - to steal into yawatide's lingo - a clearly defined border.

@yawa, that debate on tables/css will continue.

@dante,

Unless u sign in under differing names, I didn't know I was debating that issue with you. Regardless, when you are ready, you know where to find me. Just set the tone of the debate (what exactly you want to debate, etc) and state ur case)

yawa-ti-de:

@dante,

Unless u sign in under differing names, I didn't know I was debating that issue with you.

I don't quite know where u're coming from. Anyways i'm not one of u jobless (no offence) peeps that sleep and wake up on nairaland.

Anyways going to the matter of the day, your arguments towards table-less designs are valid, but you make it sound like designing with tables is a sin.

You probably want to ask about the load times for tables, but you and I know that tables only "seem" to load longer because none of the stuff in a table will be displayed until all the contents of that table are downloaded. This results in tables displaying all at once. In CSS, individual materials load and display one after the other!

Accessibility - How many visually impaired people use the internet

Maintenance - well i've got dreamweaver!

In conclusion, CSS is better, but I don't believe tables are bad!

not so fast danteweb. No ad hominem attacks please. If you go through the posts from #1, you will note that abidemi and I had, at least in my opinion, said all that needed to be said on the issue. The reason y i brought up the "using differing names" is because I had totally forgotten about this and it was my way of being sarcastic. I guess you didn't catch it. i won't apologize for that. Now, to parse your statements one after the other:

I don't quite know where u're coming from. Anyways i'm not one of u jobless (no offence) peeps that sleep and wake up on nairaland.

I don't eat and sleep it either. I am here to learn which is why I log on frequently. Having said that, enough of the ad hominem attacks. Let's LEARN something.

Anyways going to the matter of the day, your arguments towards table-less designs are valid, but you make it sound like designing with tables is a sin.

I wouldn't call it a sin but bad practice. By the way, I am not the one saying it is bad. There are those way smarter than us who are advocating this and it makes sense (in other words, I won't just do something because someone says so. I have to verify for myself). I have analyzed hard data of sites with and without tables and recorded the differences in page size, download size and bandwidth. I even once worked for a company that saved tens of thousands of dollars in bandwidth alone moving from tables to DIVs. In other words, I am not one of those who googles for information, reads it, calls myself a guru and starts preaching to the choir. I say what I say based on verifiable facts not emotions. Finally, if you read my posts again, please note that I say that tables are a necessary evil for tabular data.

You probably want to ask about the load times for tables, but you and I know that tables only "seem" to load longer because none of the stuff in a table will be displayed until all the contents of that table are downloaded. This results in tables displaying all at once. In CSS, individual materials load and display one after the other!

I honestly don't know where you are going here but I will attempt to answer: which has the least number of bytes (for non-tabular data)?
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td>bla</td><td>bla bla</td></tr></table>
OR
<div id="container"><div="left-col">bla</div><div id="right-col">bla bla</div></div> (of course, css would take care of the presentation.
Moreover, imagine several nested tables.

Accessibility - How many visually impaired people use the internet

I have no idea, however I will say that I have worked for companies that take accessibility seriously because if they don't they stand to be (and have been) sued for developing sites that the deaf, dumb and blind can't use. In the states, such lawsuits can run into the millions. Sure, it might not be a big deal in Nigeria presently, but we are developing. It is better to code on the concept of progressive enhancement/graceful degradation than code on, "i don collect my money, na una business now or una come hire me again" principles.

Maintenance - well i've got dreamweaver!

and i've got homesite/note pad. woopty-doo. no big deal. Would you rather maintain code simply because you have dreamweaver or not maintain at all. i would choose the latter.

In conclusion, CSS is better, but I don't believe tables are bad!

I agree with the former. and yes, tables are bad if abused. Using it for layout is definitely a case of abuse.

danteweb:

Accessibility - How many visually impaired people use the internet

Maintenance - well i've got dreamweaver!

In conclusion, CSS is better, but I don't believe tables are bad!

@danteweb and yawa-ti-de

Let me answer this web accessibility question: How many visually impaired people use the internet?

Both in US and UK under Federal or Government agencies are required using accessibility for visually impaired and hearing impaired PC users--- roughly 5 to 10 millions blind people in the USA and Europe/India/China use the internet.

Blind people use the internet by connecting a screen reader. A screen reader is a voice software that looks at the computer code making up the page and reads this out to the blind user. It allows to move around the page by tabbing to Headings, paragraphs, links, etc.

For anyone who is completely blind, the Internet is a God Send. It gives them back their independence and allows them to shop, find information, read e-books etc. without a helper to make sure they don't get lost.

In the UK and many other countries there is now a legal requirement for all business web sites to be accessible to Screen Reader users as well as people with other disabilities.

By the way, you probably are not aware the fact that i, myself, am hearing impaired (deaf) web designer/developer. I am strongly familiar with the American with the Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), a civil rights for disabled people (deaf, blind, wheelchair, crippled, etc) to protect them against discrimination on job, housing, transportation, and public places.

The sad part that all of webmasters/web developers (in USA, Europe, and other countries) are violated with disability/accessibilty law to provide hearing impaired (deaf) PC users the closed captioned"CC" on all video files and written transcripts on all audio files. They(webmaster/developers) do not understand what deaf people complain about the lacking of captioned video files/audio transcripts deaf people need for 15 YEARS. It has not solved anyway.

You see every Windows OS and Linux OS provide accessibility for blind and deaf pc users since US American with the Disabilities Act law went effective on July 1990 with the US President George Bush Senior signed.

I maintan both Dreamweaver and HTML-Kit using CSS coding much easier plus CSS validator too!

you know what u are right and i'm wrong!

can some one here review my football forum http://soccerfanbase.com and let me know how good or bad it is plus you can also join the forum and help make it bigger.

danteweb,

Honestly, for me it isn't about whoz right and whoz wrong but about learning something. For all you know, I could have been wrong in which case I was expecting you to educate me. That is what I thought you meant by "debate". Oh well.

Here is an online community for IT people. http://www.infodam.com

Some of the benefits of being a member of infodam.com

1. Referrals based on skill and competence.

2. Employment from establishments needing IT personnel eg programmers, network engineers, DBAs, system administrators etc.

3. Meet people and build your connection and contact list.

4. Access to online tutorials, videos, podcasts and e books.

5. Update on upcomming tech events in your locality.

6. Links to IT resource on the web.

7. Join a group or create one

8. Advertise in the classifieds directory

9. Upload your photos, create your blogs and participate in the online forum threads.

10. MP3 and Video gallery.

with a whole lot more,

, ko soro

Ok quys please review and critique this one http://www.free-trafficsecrets.com

Thanks

Review this sharply

Gamine:

Review this sharply

http://www.itsihost.com/test/itsi/itsi2.htm

i dunno, its just there, really. Nothing really memorable, to be honest. But I have some suggestions.

The text is way too small, and the navigation links are too close together, like they're scared of fillinf up the space.
Maybe you'd want to add a livelier image to the page??! The blue/grey/faded thing, is very bland.

You might also want to set the margin to 0 so the top of the site actually touches the top of the page.

Another suggestion: How's about turning those boxes around so they lie side by side? I mean, it's a novel idea what you have now, but you've got a lot of empty space that those wavy lines aren't doing much to hide, especially as there's already so much white going on. And speaking of those boxes, the Portfolio, Servicees etc titles are practicaly spilling out of the edge of their containers, Padding, m'dear, padding. Or make the boxes bigger, whichever.

um, that is all.

hahahaha

ok, thanks

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check out this NIGERIAN LAW RESOURSES WEB SITE FOR BOTH LAWYERS AND NON LAWYERS, www.justicenigeris.com

@chessguru

Didnt u mean justicenigeriA (as opposed to justicenigeriS).com?

just curious

Thats what happens when fingers becomes faster than the computer itself.

@chessmaster
Got ds error from ur site justicenigeria.com

Database Error: MySQL server has gone away
File: /home/justicem/public_html/Sources/Security.php
Line: 279

Hey Guyz, i just found this thread today. I just deployed a beta version of my website. Pls review and give me your thots.
It's www.in10city.net

Yeah!!! tight job, good interactivity (hope thats a gud grama)
but whats the site about?
there's no link to anywhere.

R u joking me? There's links everywhere. Click on the enter arrow after the intro and u're in.

does anyone still check this thread?

well said yawa . esp the BG.

you might be surprised how much different/neater the site would look if the white margins are removed.

nice 1 sha. @thepalms website

I need a website for a company, how do you i get about that

Yay!

A site i finally like.

I like that INTENSITY site o

abi na IN10City

NICE ONE!

this reviewin sumthin has been helpin other pple get their stuff better. let it reash my turn too o

abeg help me look http://2digitsweb.com/