OlaoChi:

Men? Did u not read Obatala is Olorun's eldest son? Gods Men give birth to men now?

OlaoChi:
And did you not read where Obatala and Oduduwa created the universe and human bodies before Olorun brings the body to life?

OlaoChi:
Do Men create themselves and create others too?

OlaoChi:
Are u in the Yoruba religion?

harbiola1:
Rofl . @ d bolded, Who is Olorun's wife? afterall, we knw Father and Son.
@not-bolded, Fixed!

Actual, i read it but i wonder who created their own body. they also have human body, No?

No!

No!

But you are not saying anything about Olorun, Oluwa, Olodumare. that is how you can understand everything.

OlaoChi:

Am still learning the religion.

OlaoChi:
That's why am begging pagan 9ja for details

OlaoChi:
Olorun is father of Obatala and all his junior siblings.

OlaoChi:
You yourself don't understand anything so don't drag your ignorance with pride

harbiola1:
Oh i see!


You wan port or what, from where to where?


They say, but not.


Your assumption though.

I know who/what everyone of them are except i don't want to talk.

OlaoChi:

if you know you would talk.

harbiola1:
Ok! you wan make i taaaalk eh?
No wahala.

You c? Olorun, Olodumare, Oluwa are the beautiful names of the SOLE CREATOR in Yoruba language. These three among other names are referring to One God.

Sango, Oya, Orunmila Obatala et al are PERSONIFICATIONs of God/Olodumare's inanimate creations like Thunder, Wind, Rain, Sun etc.

Sango: In yoruba land, a picture of thunder/Ara was first seen in the person of Sango because of some of his characters. It's said that he had supernatural power to produce thunder and lightning. Sango was a historical royal ancestor of yoruba as he was the third king of the Oyo kingdom. He was idolized/deified after he died.
NB: Personified figure of thunder in places other than Yoruba land may be different entirely.


Orunmila: The embodiment of knowlege and wisdom of Ifa. Yoruba religion identifies him as the grand priest, and the bearer of Oracle (Ifa).
He was idolized/deified after he died.
NB: Personified figure of wisdom/knowledge in places other than Yoruba land may be different entirely.

My point here is that None of these men are God.
They all came to the world like a common man, died like a common man, will be resurected then be judged like everyone else.

God/Olodumare is a spirit with no Human body, infact He never needed it and will never need it. You can never read something like "He was borne, he liked eating rice, you can download his picture, he used to go to warfront with a white horse" about God. All these are the attributes of human being which automatically becomes an Idol if worshiped.

And the personified forces/creations are useless, valueless before their God to whom direct worship is due. They obey none except their Lord.

It is blasphemous to the nature of God to call something/somebody else God.

OlaoChi:

What about Esu?

OlaoChi:
And if it's
blasphemous the owners of the religion would know. You want to tell them how to serve their God?

harbiola1:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eshu


No offence intended. But in ur mind, is the Creator the same as the Creature

OlaoChi:

I wanted you to explain how esu is a man, since you know so much about the religion that the owners of the religion don't even know

Kay 17: ^^
In yoruba mythology, Gods are those of divine nature. So I don't see where you going by saying Olodumare is the sole God, when there are a plethora of Gods!

Kay 17: ^^
Yes they are all Gods!

Kay 17: That's irrelevant.

harbiola1: ^^ You can tell me what made them to be equal with Olodumare, when they were created by Olodumare.

THEY WERE CREATED OF THEY CREATE THEMSELVES?

Kay 17:

No, they are Gods

Kay 17:
yet lower in hierarchy to Olodumare.

Kay 17:
No one is saying they are equal to Olorun.

Kay 17:
Also, they are sons of Olorun and that seems difficult for you to swallow,

Kay 17:
yet in Yoruba mythology Gods can procreate, same with Roman and Greek mythologies.

Kay 17: ^^
Being a God is a divine status, hence Sango, Obatala and Esu are divine beings, not mortals albeit lower than Olorun in hierarchy.

Kay 17:
Idols are merely earthly representations of the Gods.

Kay 17:
The problem with you is that you are trying to infuse your Islamic God into the yoruba mythology,

Kay 17:
Yorubas don't have a problem with Gods having sex and procreating, not one problem.

Kay 17:
Where is your evidence that those Gods are personified/animated objects??

harbiola1:
Ma'am? u're beginning to get me wrong. Ve'i said i know more than pagans?

I'm only saying what i knw and it's another case if i'm lying.

Esu was a man like others. Yoruba spirituality attributed several roles to him. He is taken as the Personification of life and death.

Eshu was a man.

harbiola1:
Pagans are the one that attributed divinity to them. And u're wrong if you want to face reality.


I know, but my question is; "Before Sango, Esu, Obatala et al, how do Yorubas worship Gods?


Islamic/Arab God and Yoruba God, is there any difference? I'm talking about God!


That could be due to many circumstances.


Why do you call Sango/Thor as "god of thunder"?

OlaoChi:

You are only trying to input your Islamic ideas into Yoruba religion.

OlaoChi:
You are not Yoruba neither do you understand it.

OlaoChi:
I won't say you lying but that you are mistaken and confused

OlaoChi:
So why do your Islam people call Esu Shaytan? Since you say he is a man, so Shaytan is also a man lol

OlaoChi:
Shaytan means anything

Kay 17:

And what is the reality? That there is one God?!

Kay 17:

Are we still talking about Yoruba religious system?

Kay 17:
The fact is: it does not matter what pagans attribute, rather what the yoruba mythology is about.

Kay 17:
Mythologies develop and are in sync with culture and are in natural evolution.

Kay 17:

Most of the Gods lack an origin story, for example Obatala. Some Gods appear suddenly.

Kay 17:
Language is hopeless without context. Because the word God is used to describe a deity, does not automatically mean that it is a natural reference with another deity in a different culture! Take the Olorun as he is in Yoruba mythology, don't add to it. By trying to fit a monotheist God into a polytheist surrounding, you are causing your confusion and need to kill off the other ancillary Gods.

Kay 17:
In the past, men influenced by their inductive experience of man's creative prowess, believed that all order have a purpose and that the Gods with the reflective powers of man, created such. And Yorubas are not the only ones. Thousands of cultures believe in Gods of fertility, rain, harvest, war, etc.

Kay 17:
Even Islamic and Christian Gods are a reflection of man's creativity.

Kay 17:

And what is the reality? That there is one God?! Are we still talking about Yoruba religious system? The fact is: it does not matter what pagans attribute, rather what the yoruba mythology is about.

Mythologies develop and are in sync with culture and are in natural evolution. Most of the Gods lack an origin story, for example Obatala. Some Gods appear suddenly.

Language is hopeless without context. Because the word God is used to describe a deity, does not automatically mean that it is a natural reference with another deity in a different culture! Take the Olorun as he is in Yoruba mythology, don't add to it. By trying to fit a monotheist God into a polytheist surrounding, you are causing your confusion and need to kill off the other ancillary Gods.

In the past, men influenced by their inductive experience of man's creative prowess, believed that all order have a purpose and that the Gods with the reflective powers of man, created such. And Yorubas are not the only ones. Thousands of cultures believe in Gods of fertility, rain, harvest, war, etc. Even Islamic and Christian Gods are a reflection of man's creativity.

All these natures/forces came from something (Creator).

Kay 17:

It was so obvious you had your agenda and abandoned the main gist of this thread. The thread is about Yoruba mythology and regardless of the inconsistencies it has, it is still a myth. And myths are about what people believed.

Kay 17:
The question is what did the Yorubas believe? Not who is the real God!

Kay 17:
who told you this? Did you experience it directly or indirectly?!