adahib: It's funny how people jump into abusing doctors at every given opportunity on this forum. As I recall, we claimed we don't needed them, that they are overrated, pompous, unintelligent,bla,bla,bla. We also claimed that we have nurses and other health workers who can equally do the job. So why are we complaining now? Why are groaning? In fact, we should be happy that other health workers have been given opportunity to show how useless doctors are.
Please be informed that other health workers are at their duty posts. If you have any health related issue, instead of sitting here and whining on how wicked doctors are, just stroll into a nearby hospital and one of the health workers will be glad to sort you out.

...you will think you have a point, yes, you have, but quite an unreasonable one. Do you mean, if the other health workers should go on strike now, the doctor can single handedly manage a patient?....the hospital is a conglomerate of specialists in different fields...each mutual to one another...

Sincerely speaking, the NMA has fallen from their High Pedestal in the 90s to mere funny circus. They strike more than any other industrial group in the country. They waste lives in the process. When an old man cries the first time, people want to know what is wrong with him. But when he cries everyday, people will not care anymore. They should look for better ways to sort their issues with anybody and not resorting to lame strikes.

yomi007k:
When u get 2 d hospital, let d cleaner attend to u then.

....what are you saying bro?...the laboratory technician is as important as any other person. Let the lab technician write a wrong report on your lab test, then the Dr you are claiming as almighty will send you to your early grave. Hospital workers irrespective of whom you are should be mutual. Some people are talking here as if studying pharmacy is not more difficult than studying medicine, perhaps a visit to OAU will convince you

TechRev:

both are fighting FG by killing Nigerians.

Whose deathtol will be more??

Docs kill demselves 2 save nigerians-despite the harsh working conditions. When docs decide 2 fight 4 demselves, nigerians paint dem as evil instead of taking sides with d docs.

Unfortunately we have all failed to lay blames where it is requored. Even if the doctor choses to go on strike for whatever reasons they deem fit, doesnt the government owe its citizens the responsibility to ensure all these dont happen? That is why universities and polytechnics will go on strike for so many months fighting for the same thing for over donkey years. Now doctors dexide to go on strike and people start citing the oath. If the government felt the need to save lives as a result of avoiding the strike, the should have negotiated or found a way around implementing these things as requested.

Next time, when we want to vote people into power we would vote wisely and not on sentiments. Cos i dont see why a president who has peoples daughters in the hands of kidnappers, peoples children sitting at home due to lecturers strike, people dying because they cannot implement their agreement with the doctors will wake up every morning without shedding tears knowing he has failed his entire populace.

i think the Doctors are just being selfish. The government cannot concede to their demands because the consequences will be more than it can take and will manifest in all facets of the civil force. most ppl don't full understand what these Doctor guys are asking for. let me help you understand some:
> they want Drs to begin their career at grade level 13. Now even at this grade level, they will be collecting more money than a director in the federal civil Service because of the allowances they are asking for. it therefore means that a fresh Medical graduate will collect more money than a director who has spent 28yrs in service

>They want surgeon general as is the case with nations like US and UK but do not want a qualified health management specialist to head the hospitals as also practiced in these same countries. They choose models in advanced countries that favor them and reject any which does not

>They are opposed to consultant status for other health workers with the excuse it will confuse the patients (this is insulting on Nigerians as Drs suppose them to be confused people) but forget it is not confusing patients in US and UK in which are consultant pharmacists nurses physiotherapists etc

>They do not want anyone in the Hospital to be called a director perhaps maybe because it will confuse ppl as to who exactly is the medical director

> They are opposed to other health workers advancing their professions in line with international best practices

got work to do, will continue later

Samakinr:
....what are you saying bro?...the laboratory technician is as important as any other person. Let the lab technician write a wrong report on your lab test, then the Dr you are claiming as almighty will send you to your early grave. Hospital workers irrespective of whom you are should be mutual. Some people are talking here as if studying pharmacy is not more difficult than studying medicine, perhaps a visit to OAU will convince you

Not dt I don't respect d lab guy but If a lab guy gives me a wrong report, I have a detailed history and examination to guide me in treating the patient. Ur report is just a confirmation n I can always repeat it elsewhere.
How can hospital workers be mutual, hav u ever worked in one b4? Who is 1st blamed when a patient dies? Is it d nurse,lab technician, pharmacist? Stop decieving urself guy.

yomi007k:
Docs kill demselves 2 save nigerians-despite the harsh working conditions. When docs decide 2 fight 4 demselves, nigerians paint dem as evil instead of taking sides with d docs.

Yea we paint you evil because you start killing us. How can we side you when you are killing us?? The issues you are fighting for are not life threatening but you kill and take lives while fighting for it. You make us loose loved ones, have you ever lost a loved one to avoidable death??

How can we side you?? by the way, Bokoharam also claim to be killing themselves to save their people (ie Islamic nation).

Let me sound a note of warning. If the FG compromises on the agreement it has with JOHESU. How can a non-labour group go on strike just to stop a group of people from reaching the peak of their careers.

JOHESU which comprises of 85% of health professional and workers will also withdraw their services.

Pharmacists through PSN will shut down all hospital pharmacies, they also have the power to declare closures in Idumota.

Nurses won't touch any patient in the hospital ward, patients with burns or catheter will have to make do with the skeletal services that Almighty doctors can offer.

Scientists will shut their blood-banks, people in casualty and emergency wards have died because of this. We once learnt about the CMD of UBTH that tried running lab procedures but ended up spilling the blood samples and killing patients.

Physiotherapists won't offer their services to rheumatic patients in the physical therapy department. They'll have to be in pains till JOHESU resumes.

The effects will be worse than this, but i'll stop here.

Every professional in the health sector is a distinct professional, one group seeking to control the professional growth of other enlightened professionals WON'T WORK.


Please refer to past rare JOHESU strikes and understand the effects.

GogetterMD:
The reason they asked for special plate numbers was as to enable them render emergency services anywhere anytime with minimal hitches, and that was even a suggestion, which was not part of the demands listed above. Get educated before jumping to conclusions

Fool,did i say thats part of their demands or you dont know how to read?

lurvy: [size=17pt]Its very unfortunate that people who took an oath to save lives are now involved in politicking for ridiculous reasons!

I think those leading the NMA are leading the doctors in the wrong direction and should be called to order.

It would have been better if doctors are striking for more money, but rather striking for flimsy reasons like... "I spent a long time in the medical school, I should always be the BOSS in the hospital ", "Nobody except doctors should be bear the title- CONSULTANT, etc... all these are uncalled for!

Everyone in the hospital is important, no matter what (even the cleaners).

Everyone should be more concerned about doing what he/she was employed to do in the first place!

Everyone is supposed to work together for unity, everyone is virtually important!

Nobody should say Mr. A. is not important or Mr. B. is not important, that's gross!

I wonder when doctors began taking so much interest in a title rather than in research work!

Please if there is any good and strong reason given by the doctors for the strike, then please educate me, aside that I think the strike is ridiculous and TOTALLY uncalled for!



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Coming from a doctor. I hope in right, cos o deduced tht from ur post. There's still hope for Nigeria.

This everyday strike by doctors is really becoming worrisome. Its high time govt. look for a permanent solution toward this to avoid reoccurence

chinziaski: Sincerely speaking, the NMA has fallen from their High Pedestal in the 90s to mere funny circus. They strike more than any other industrial group in the country. They waste lives in the process. When an old man cries the first time, people want to know what is wrong with him. But when he cries everyday, people will not care anymore. They should look for better ways to sort their issues with anybody and not resorting to lame strikes.

do you know when the issue started? Do you know how many dialogues they have engaged? Do you really understand what is going on? Doctors are not insensitive, doctors carry the interest of the patients at heart. To show you how focused doctors are about patient care...you need to see how young doctors, on residency training, are drilled by consultants just to make sure they give patients the best care.
In every activity of a doctor, especially in teaching hospital, patient care takes the centre stage.

We'll know who will laugh last, this is what u get in a lawless nation. Doctors carry go let d nurses,pharmacists,cleaners and co treat d patients

yomi007k:
That's a fat lie. The pace of work might be a little slow but patients will not die because cleaners r on strike I beg.

if u are a true doctor, u will know the health hazard poor hygiene pose on human health especially in places like hospitals. Or are u a native doctor?

personally i feel that those non-doctors that want to be consultants are just exploiting the fact that majority of Nigerians are not literate . If you go to an average Nigerian and say 'Hello im Dr so and so the person immediately assumes that he is talking to a medical doctor but the problem this 'Dr' is NOT going to correct that assumption any time soon. So a nurse or a lab scientist can be treating you and will not tell you his real profession. This is something that has been happening for a long time. Now the government wants to make it official. Tell the patient that you are a consultant nurse and see if he will allow you treat him.

I don't blame these doctors sha. I was opportuned to see a Doctor's pay slip @ Gbagada General hospital. The man who is a consultant and on Grade level 16 is been paid 480K every month. That's small for a consultant

centje: do you know when the issue started? Do you know how many dialogues they have engaged? Do you really understand what is going on? Doctors are not insensitive, doctors carry the interest of the patients at heart. To show you how focused doctors are about patient care...you need to see how young doctors, on residency training, are drilled by consultants just to make sure they give patients the best care.
In every activity of a doctor, especially in teaching hospital, patient care takes the centre stage.

And that permits you to kill lots of patients by going on indefinite strike??

lurvy: [size=17pt]Its very unfortunate that people who took an oath to save lives are now involved in politicking for ridiculous reasons!

I think those leading the NMA are leading the doctors in the wrong direction and should be called to order.

It would have been better if doctors are striking for more money, but rather striking for flimsy reasons like... "I spent a long time in the medical school, I should always be the BOSS in the hospital ", "Nobody except doctors should be bear the title- CONSULTANT, etc... all these are uncalled for!

Everyone in the hospital is important, no matter what (even the cleaners).

Everyone should be more concerned about doing what he/she was employed to do in the first place!

Everyone is supposed to work together for unity, everyone is virtually important!

Nobody should say Mr. A. is not important or Mr. B. is not important, that's gross!

I wonder when doctors began taking so much interest in a title rather than in research work!

Please if there is any good and strong reason given by the doctors for the strike, then please educate me, aside that I think the strike is ridiculous and TOTALLY uncalled for!



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There is no medical system, in the world that reduces the doctor to equal votes with med lab scientists and nurses! Infact in every medical system including the British NHS people are rife to quote, doctors have a veto on all hospital decisions and the doctor comes first.

Medical training in Nigeria is built on the foundation of " the doctor is the head of the team". I heard that statement even from matrons throughout my med school years!


The NMA's stand is supported by almost 99 percent of doctors in Nigeria ! People viewing from the pages of newspapers are giving the false impression that JOHESU are a group of oppressed individuals ,which is totally false! They actually are very insubordinate , troublesome and contribute to more than 70% of the lag in hospitals! Just ask how long patients queue to get there FBC's at most major hospitals or the crowds you find at the radiography sections of hospitals!

The fact remains that the doctor is the primary person a patient comes to see in an hospital ! If not why don't pharmacists open their own clinics and give diagnosis!

Medicine and Dentistry still remains one of the best thought courses in Nigerian universities and receives the best students from all over the country.that cannot be said for any course under the JOHESU group

The fact remains that it's because govt is the major player in the medical economy! Once hospitals begin the privatization process we would know who is in charge NMA or JOHESU

And the strike ( though a selfish reason) will only affect the poor and JOHESU members because hospital traffic would be redirected to private clinics where a lot of JOHESU members work for peanuts to buffer their govt pay! And guess what !who owns these places ? Doctors!

And according to your argument , when you go for your next hospital assignment please ask to see the cleaner!!!!

TechRev:

Neither can doctors run a hospital when Nurses go on strike, or lab scientists or cleaners go on strike. Its a whole system that works only when all components are working.

we function without u

i daresay that most of the demands you doctors want are simply flimsy and unreasonable and reeks of selfishness and egoism. Pure and simple. Call a spade a spade.

Honestly, I have serious level of concern for the hypocrisy of Nigerians.
1. People say doctors are glorified 1st aid givers, yet when they go on strike, they say people are dying. How can people who hitherto could not save lives cause death?

2. The JOHESU wants to be seen on the same pedestal as doctors, they have been given a wonderful oportunity; its time for the Consultant JOHESU to rise up to the occasion, please see the patients, make diagnosis, request relevant investigations and treat appropriately including drugs, surgical or other modalities. SHOW US DOCTORS ARE USELESS

3. For those saying the doctors should have explored other means, can they please illustrate such other means and the results they yield?

4. Doctors have become politicians, doctors don't care about lives etc. That is what our antagonists have been saying, while in truth, what has been happening is we have been so sunk so deep in our books and patient care and woke up to find that we are fast becoming irrelevant and just exploited by others who want to do less and have more.

publicenemy: these doctors are always taking advantage of their position in the society,peaple will lose their lives as a result of this but the doctors dont care....all they care about is their selfish interests....cowards.

The other day they were asking for special plate numbers.very absurd demands and the next thing they go on strike..

. your name has said who u are. public enemy

Samakinr:
....what are you saying bro?...the laboratory technician is as important as any other person. Let the lab technician write a wrong report on your lab test, then the Dr you are claiming as almighty will send you to your early grave. Hospital workers irrespective of whom you are should be mutual. Some people are talking here as if studying pharmacy is not more difficult than studying medicine, perhaps a visit to OAU will convince you

Get ur facts st8, studying pharmacy is not as difficult as studying medicine. Secondly, d pharmacist's job is not as tedious as d doctor's.

Evergreen123:

we function without u

You are right in this you function without me. Cause what do you have to do with an engineer??
But you guys are killers!!!!

Who wins?? you guys or Bokoharam?? Doctors are The only group that increase their pay by killing and spilling innocent blood!!!

centje:
No matter how serious doctors strike is, you can never see a doctor
trying to disrupt the activities of JOHESU members during the strike.
But each time JOHESU goes on strike, their members leave their houses
every morning to sabotage Doctors' work.

the reason is very simple: doctors have been trained to be disciplined, and to have self control.... some of these nurses did not even make GCE at one sitting!!! cheeeeeeiiii!!!!

The doctors are the most caring of all health workers.
If in doubt, ask patients.
On many occasions, u will see a doctor going to lab, nurses, pharmacy,radiology and physiotherapy depts to sort out issues for patients, esp in the labs.
Other health workers don't do same tnz, the next thing they will shout and call their clients all sorts of names,esp the nurses.
Ur propaganda against docs can never work .

I pray this strike comes to an abrupt end for the sake of humanity.

lrguru: if u are a true doctor, u will know the health hazard poor hygiene pose on human health especially in places like hospitals. Or are u a native doctor?

D point I'm tryin 2 mk, my slow-witted friend is dt anybody can clean. It don't require special skills.

centje: do you know when the issue started? Do you know how many dialogues they have engaged? Do you really understand what is going on? Doctors are not insensitive, doctors carry the interest of the patients at heart. To show you how focused doctors are about patient care...you need to see how young doctors, on residency training, are drilled by consultants just to make sure they give patients the best care.
In every activity of a doctor, especially in teaching hospital, patient care takes the centre stage.

. I guess you are either a doctor or related to one. I know everyone going on strike is fighting for a particular thing and mostly its to better the working environment of its workers. But you should know this, these strikes are becoming too much. I bet u, federal govt knows that NMA will strike next year, its becoming a constant development and that is making it lose its taste. If NMA look for better ways of funding the Medical system, it will be better.

Samakinr:
...you will think you have a point, yes, you have, but quite an
unreasonable one. Do you mean, if the other health workers should go on
strike now, the doctor can single handedly manage a patient?....the
hospital is a conglomerate of specialists in different fields...each
mutual to one another...

oh please, get your facts right before posting out of ignorance...

while i was still a student, during the last joheshu (abi wetin them call them sef) strike, the only reason why we couldnt admit patients was because the health records workers joined the strike, but the patients in the ward were fully managed by doctors!!! there was a nearby pharmacy so even if pharmacists go on strike...... you know nah