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Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by SurePresident: 7:08am On Aug 04, 2014 |
Yes! 2 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by AkoEja: 7:19am On Aug 04, 2014 |
The main problem with Africa of the prehistoric era is that there has been no documentation of what we did in those days. Most of the history is based on oral tradition. Many achievements of Africans are therefore not provable |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by shigoslim(m): 7:28am On Aug 04, 2014 |
You guys should visit ARCHIVE, where historian remains are kept. There view archive in Nigeria one at university ibadan and soko monument dedicate soko state. |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by FlintGuevara(m): 7:33am On Aug 04, 2014 |
DaVinChiSam: Bros Ahu odi gi?Biko jukwa ya ozo. Dude is plain funny! 2 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by turl(m): 7:37am On Aug 04, 2014 |
Chinaimporter: If by west african,u mean indigineous ones like ijaw..non but if you mean migrant ones like the igbos the yes.cast iron was discovered by the igbos around 2500bc .The true origin of the igbos lies in the sumerian city of ur near the site on ancient babylonia.the igbos establist the ubaid dynasty headed by the great igbo king meshanepada who built a ziggurat in honor of the great god nnanna(also called nanna in sumerian and sin in akkadian) who asked the igbos to migrate to other part of the world to spread civilization in the then young world. Igbos then invented the first alphabet called the cuneiform and left babylon under an igbo family called the Akadians who where the ancestors of modern arabs,Ethiopians and jews through a former sheperd of igbo orign called abraham. *Sigh*..here we go 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by emenik08: 7:57am On Aug 04, 2014 |
My TAKE ON THE TOPIC. The possibity that west african had been producing cast iron is there bt mainly for agricultural n sculptural purposes. I think d idea of guns came after the europeans taught us about gun powder. Reason is that anybody that can melt iron ore n purify it a bit will definitely be able to get to cast iron. The word 'cast iron' is just iron that can be easily cast into moulds. This is because of its fluidity (ability to flow into d intricacies of d mould). Cast iron contains largest quantity of carbon in any known alloy of iron which is why it flows easily compared to other alloys like steel. Carbon easily enters iron through the fuels(charcoal, coke etc) used in melting the iron ore. Iron ore>pig iron>cast iron>steel the 'greater than sign' signifies futher purification. Lastly anybdy using bare hands to handle a temperature of 1000-1200degrees celcius(handling temp for wrought iron) must be using juju or be an iron man. |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by anonimi: 8:11am On Aug 04, 2014 |
pjosh1: This is the problem africa is still having, even if we first the europeans to produce cars and planes or we adopted and made advanced tech. From them during the precolonial era how has it helped us in this present time? THINK ABOUT THE PRESENT AND FURURE NOT THE PAST.. It's funny how we blame the europeans for halting development in Africa during the precolonial era We need to constantly REMIND ourselves of our PAST achievements as a source of INSPIRATION for our current & future capabilities! Why do you think the "developed" oyinbo societies spend so much on museums OP, I have read some African history book that expressed the opinion that the slow down of African technological development could be linked to the desertification of the Sahara thus cutting off/reducing regular exchange/travel that promotes exchange of ideas. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by ThaProphet(m): 9:00am On Aug 04, 2014 |
pjosh1: This is the problem africa is still having, even if we first the europeans to produce cars and planes or we adopted and made advanced tech. From them during the precolonial era how has it helped us in this present time? THINK ABOUT THE PRESENT AND FURURE NOT THE PAST.. It's funny how we blame the europeans for halting development in Africa during the precolonial era As much as we need people to focus on the present, we also need guardians of the past. Not everyone is going to be interested in the same thing. I also think one of the problems with MODERN Africans is the disregard for history. The past, present and future are equally important and anyone fascinated by any should be encouraged, not discouraged. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by uzoexcel(m): 10:31am On Aug 04, 2014 |
what are u smoking??it seems strong...imma need some of that Chinaimporter: If by west african,u mean indigineous ones like ijaw..non but if you mean migrant ones like the igbos the yes.cast iron was discovered by the igbos around 2500bc .The true origin of the igbos lies in the sumerian city of ur near the site on ancient babylonia.the igbos establist the ubaid dynasty headed by the great igbo king meshanepada who built a ziggurat in honor of the great god nnanna(also called nanna in sumerian and sin in akkadian) who asked the igbos to migrate to other part of the world to spread civilization in the then young world. Igbos then invented the first alphabet called the cuneiform and left babylon under an igbo family called the Akadians who where the ancestors of modern arabs,Ethiopians and jews through a former sheperd of igbo orign called abraham. |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by macof(m): 3:37pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
emenik08: My TAKE ON THE TOPIC. I doubt Africans gained knowledge of gun powder from Europeans, Maybe Arabs but not Europeans. Btw The fon people in West Africa are said to have had women soldiers wielding weapons with gun power long before European contact 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by AmunRaOlodumare: 5:19pm On Aug 04, 2014 |
For some reason the spam bot doesn't allow me to post this information with all the quote. I will try to post it in sequence. There's some controversies within archaeologists about the earliest dates for West African metalworking, but the latest date everybody agree with seems to be around 500BC. Other dates range from 3000BC to 500BC by using radiocarbon dating. 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by CAMNEWTON4PRES: 2:21am On Aug 05, 2014 |
Bantu people introduced iron in Africa, the first civilization to reach iron age |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by kingston277(m): 5:25pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
HolyHolla: The Nok culture culture had developed the technology of mining and refining cast iron as far back as 900 BC. The civilization appeared in Northern Nigeria around 1000 BC and history has it that it vanished under unknown and mysterious circumstances around 300AD.Tanzania was one of the first in the world to produce high quality carbon-steel that couldn't be matched else where(expect possibly India) until approximately the 18th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haya_people 3 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by kingston277(m): 5:27pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
AkoEja: The main problem with Africa of the prehistoric era is that there has been no documentation of what we did in those days. Most of the history is based on oral tradition. Many achievements of Africans are therefore not provableNot exactly true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi 3 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by kingston277(m): 5:36pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
anonimi:China was isolated for millenia but that didn't stop them from being on top. More archaeology needs to be done in Africa before such assertions are made. Did you know Africans have been documented building submarine-like equipment in the 19th century? [url]http://books.google.ca/books?id=XsHB69txxdEC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=sierra+leone+alligator+society+submarine&source=bl&ots=DGbNOSsGV0&sig=fO2Cxi4VdLD4L9JHVMxdM8EV3X8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dwfhU5GYC4qayASh_ILADA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=sierra%20leone%20alligator%20society%20submarine&f=false[/url] |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by kingston277(m): 5:38pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
AmunRaOlodumare: For some reason the spam bot doesn't allow me to post this information with all the quote. I will try to post it in sequence.Actually wasn't the agreed date around 1400 BC? Thats what I've read. But the 3000BC thing is being taken seriously though. 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by anonimi: 5:40pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
kingston277: Many thanks for the link, which I just checked and found this: Archeological discoveries This is quite IMPRESSIVE! 3 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by AmunRaOlodumare: 6:25pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
There's some controversies within archaeologists about the earliest dates for West African metalworking. The latest date everybody agree with seems to be around 500BC. Other dates range from 3000BC to 500BC by using radiocarbon dating. Leaving the controversies aside, iron and copper metallurgy were clearly well established in West Africa by 500 BC with gold, bronze, and brass following in the mid-first millennium AD. The earliest appearance of metallurgy in East Africa dates to the closing centuries of the last millennium BC. In southern Africa, the southward migration of Bantu-speaking farmers introduced iron and copper around AD200, with gold, tin, bronze, and brass appearing towards the beginning of the second millennium.From The Oxford Hand book of African Archaeology (2013) (chap 10) 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by macof(m): 7:48pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
anonimi: Truly impressive. You noticed that the article implied that the iron work is better than that of Europe. It's a pity the Tanzanian people have refused to build up on this an make a Mark in iron casting Oh! Africa how we have fallen since we forgot the Great works of our brilliant ancestors 3 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by hiuser(m): 8:38pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
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Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by hiuser(m): 8:51pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Chinaimporter: If by west african,u mean indigineous ones like ijaw..non but if you mean migrant ones like the igbos the yes.cast iron was discovered by the igbos around 2500bc .The true origin of the igbos lies in the sumerian city of ur near the site on ancient babylonia.the igbos establist the ubaid dynasty headed by the great igbo king meshanepada who built a ziggurat in honor of the great god nnanna(also called nanna in sumerian and sin in akkadian) who asked the igbos to migrate to other part of the world to spread civilization in the then young world. Igbos then invented the first alphabet called the cuneiform and left babylon under an igbo family called the Akadians who where the ancestors of modern arabs,Ethiopians and jews through a former sheperd of igbo orign called abraham. has a glorious revelation about gisting..is that in this... |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by hiuser(m): 9:22pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
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Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by HolyHolla(m): 9:49pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
kingston277: Quite true! But I'll wonder why they did not forge ahead into further development of iron into industrial machinery! It would have projected a cultural advancement for Africa. 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by kingston277(m): 10:45pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
HolyHolla:Same reason it didn't happen elsewhere other than England, not the right conditions. They did however produce iron on a "semi-industrial" scale by the 19th century. http://der.org/resources/study-guides/blooms-of-banjeli-study-guide.pdf 2 Likes |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by Kanoro: 11:55pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
shadowwalker101: Because you're a dumbass, that's why. You obviously don't know what forums are for. 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by Kanoro: 12:42pm On Aug 06, 2014 |
Chinaimporter: If by west african,u mean indigineous ones like ijaw..non but if you mean migrant ones like the igbos the yes.cast iron was discovered by the igbos around 2500bc .The true origin of the igbos lies in the sumerian city of ur near the site on ancient babylonia.the igbos establist the ubaid dynasty headed by the great igbo king meshanepada who built a ziggurat in honor of the great god nnanna(also called nanna in sumerian and sin in akkadian) who asked the igbos to migrate to other part of the world to spread civilization in the then young world. Igbos then invented the first alphabet called the cuneiform and left babylon under an igbo family called the Akadians who where the ancestors of modern arabs,Ethiopians and jews through a former sheperd of igbo orign called abraham. If you're gonna make things up, can you at least try to be clever? At least have some evidence? Lastly answer my question instead of making an entirely new topic. Be proud of your own history and stop trying to steal others. 1 Like |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by Kanoro: 1:05pm On Aug 06, 2014 |
macof: Most Sub-Saharan Africans acquired their knowledge of gunpowder from Europeans. It was the North Africans who gained it from Arabs |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by Kanoro: 1:08pm On Aug 06, 2014 |
kingston277:I've heard of this before.This was not a formal script taught in schools or made into books though was it? I'm pretty sure it was restricted to secret societies and mostly used on pottery. |
Re: Did West Africans Develop Cast Iron In Pre-colonial Times? by Kanoro: 1:09pm On Aug 06, 2014 |
kingston277: Since when was China isolated?? You obviously haven't heard of the silk road. I would quote and link it but it's not letting me do it on phone for some reason. Anyway it says that the silk road shaped civilizations like China, Arabia, Persia, and India. The exchange of ideas bolstered their development. Notice all of the civililizations on the silk road were the most advanced? Europe was only able to catch up to them in the last few hundred years because of their advanced seagoing ships. Search silk road on Wikipedia. 1 Like |
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