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why isnt java popular on the web side?
is it hosting cost or what? i know java is more secure than php more well thought out and well designed
and has a full mature web s tack for web development: jsp,servlets etc
so y folks is php,python the rave here?

Ease of learning
Deployment cost and timeline
Most projects are really not worth the headache of Java
Most Java developers are not really interested in the web

If am a Java developer, i would stick to embedded systems

zz

rutchiekens: For u to post this rubbish means u haven't read this

www.php.net/manual/en/security.intro.php

It depends on your skills in securing a website...

I don't like java cos I don't know if its free or not. I'll rather use something I'm 99.9% sure its free.

Actually, you're the ignorant one

yes, it all depends on your skills but the development language is also a big part of security loopholes.

you dont like Java cos u don't even know what Java is and u didnt even bother to research on it

zz

Interesting. I like the fact that most programmers that are not multi-language compliant almost want to promote their primary programming language as the best and most secure and condemn others.
I can use both java and php, but I stick to php for my own professional reasons.

rutchiekens:

This also means u haven't read this

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html

The development language is not a big part cos its easy to combine languages if d person has the skills.

Chai, what has that link got to do with security

Every programmer knows what entails in the license of use of a particular software.

The development language is not a big part, but a developer should combine languages for security reasons?
So, what are you saying then?

Oga, languages and softwares are secured on it's own.
That is why we have security bug updates. I won't even bother to post links

rutchiekens: For u to post this rubbish means u haven't read this

www.php.net/manual/en/security.intro.php

It depends on your skills in securing a website...

I don't like java cos I don't know if its free or not. I'll rather use something I'm 99.9% sure its free.

you said d bolded speakg out of ur a*s*s.
What part of java do developers pay for? standard,microedition or enterprise edition?
Java is even open sourced.
How free dyu want it 2 be? Fedexed to ur house?

rutchiekens:
It depends on your skills in securing a website...

Talkg of security ,java set so many industry standards in security. Java sacrifced speed for security. The jvm is an engineerg marvel and model of techncal excellence.

@spikeC
an experienced java dev wud feel frustrated usg php. Java is simply faster thn php. Theyre java framewrks for web work too.
Naija has standardzed on php,but php isnt technically superior to other web technologies so y no usage of d alternatves?
Even c++ is used for web dev! Facebook translated a huge amount of php code to c++ for performance and economy reasons! The decision would save fb thousands of servers , and reduce heat emission by a signifcant amount.so Theres benefit to using d better technology. Though php may b faster to code in.

asalimpo:

Talkg of security ,java set so many industry standards in security. Java sacrifced speed for security. The jvm is an engineerg marvel and model of techncal excellence.

@spikeC
an experienced java dev wud feel frustrated usg php. Java is simply faster thn php. Theyre java framewrks for web work too.
Naija has standardzed on php,but php isnt technically superior to other web technologies so y no usage of d alternatves?
Even c++ is used for web dev! Facebook translated a huge amount of php code to c++ for performance and economy reasons! The decision would save fb thousands of servers , and reduce heat emission by a signifcant amount.so Theres benefit to using d better technology. Though php may b faster to code in.

No programming technology comes close to Java in terms of security, so lets just leave that one aside.

I have already listed the reasons why most Nigerian based developers prefer php/python over java.

Learning curve too
And advise from people.
When a beginner seeks for the first programming language to learn, people will tell them to go learn the easy ones.

I would love to learn C++, but time is not on my side right now.

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rutchiekens:

Facebook still uses php

www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websites

I said its easy to combine languages cos the Backend of sites like that are written in more than one language.

Errrm, you need to get updated oo

Facebook has moved from that PHP you know

Have you heard of these terms: Hack, HHVM, HipHop

No be today facebook started switching ooo

spikesC:
Learning curve too
And advise from people.


When a beginner seeks for the first programming language to learn, people will tell them to go learn the easy ones.

I would love to learn C++, but time is not on my side right now.

i think this may b d issue. The crowd factor. You start with an easier language and its hard to move up to harder languages.
But som1 tht startd on a harder language can easily cross d street to d easier side.
Soon thers an abundance of easy language folks, creatg tomorrows technology and so more ppl hav to b trained in easy languages to maintain d tech ... Then easier langs become d standard cuz thts where d labour is at. Then ppl e.g rutchiekens and co look at you strange if u aint usg easy-lang x! (bad tech drives out good tech)

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rutchiekens:

Those terms hack is a programming language for the hhvm and hiphop is like any other php framework out there.

hiphop is a php2c++ compiler.
Think/research b4 u type.

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rutchiekens:

I'm a self taught C++, C#, php and javascript programmer. But I focus more on php and javascript(jquery) cos that's what puts food on the table but my C++ and C# knowledge is still beginner.

I'm currently learning Erlang for beginner purposes.

That's good. Now the question is, which one did you learn first?

I have been trying to get into C++, but because web development puts food on my table as well, i haven't been able to.

Though, i don't intend learning any other language until it becomes necessary


BTW, you need to up your interest in the technology world.
I think you should subscribe to all these weeklies and technology blogs. Trust me, it will help you a lot

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rutchiekens:

I was learning C++ first but I realised I can't just start selling C++ codes or software. So I decided to learn php and javascript.

Then I realised again that I need to know how to create software then I started C++ but naija companies prefer windows so that's how C# came up.

But I'm concentrating on C++ QT since It can run on all OS.

lol, na so e dey be for all of us oooo

I started with VB.NET, though i finished it.
But it seemed so irrelevant in this part of the world so i moved to web.

Na so projects come dey full for table ooo, na so e con dey hard to learn another language oo

so when has any language guaranteed security.
security is the job of the programmer, apps written in java can be as insecure as those written in php.

i write java apps and yes for the web.
the problem with it is the cost of running such apps as you may need at least a vps to get it up

on the plus side for php, a cheap shared server gets you up and running so why wont developers tilt to that direction?

php is as hard to learn as java, none is superior to the other

webdezzi: so when has any language guaranteed security.
security is the job of the programmer, apps written in java can be as insecure as those written in php.

i write java apps and yes for the web.
the problem with it is the cost of running such apps as you may need at least a vps to get it up

on the plus side for php, a cheap shared server gets you up and running so why wont developers tilt to that direction?

php is as hard to learn as java, none is superior to the other

different languages different design goals. No language can prevent all security breaches but some hav less loopholes thn others. Java in this case is notable compared 2 its predecessors.

-security is d job of the programmer-

creatg robust software is d job of d programmer. The language shud handle as much of d dry chores as it can without gettg in d way.
Compare:
c,c++ : no array bounds chks , programmers job. Programmer forgets some,software crashes often from stackoverflow.

Pointers allowed , malicious programmer uses pointers to read data in exclusve sections of memory. Hello,you gat yourself some spyware.
Etc
new language comes along enforces mor rigid rules, a whole class of problems dissapear!

- php is as hard to learn as java-
i and many others disagree.

If ur comparg languages on security. Note that ada is highly srtuctured and rigid ,built for us dept of defence but with security in mind.

I don't really understand what they wanted to argue about in terms of languages and security.

More so, webdezzi suddenly came with the which-is-superior language argument.

I just gotta wait for the thread to grow a little to understand where it's heading to

spikesC: I don't really understand what they wanted to argue about in terms of languages and security.

More so, webdezzi suddenly came with the which-is-superior language argument.

I just gotta wait for the thread to grow a little to understand where it's heading to

read my post again, my stand remains none is superior to the other. am talking php vs java here.

asalimpo, so java is buffer overflow proof or sql injection proof right or xss proof?

my point is, if java gets the job done, use it, if php lets you go live quickly because it is cheap off the shelf, use it

the programmer's role is to write secure code.

webdezzi:

read my post again, my stand remains none is superior to the other. am talking php vs java here.

asalimpo, so java is buffer overflow proof or sql injection proof right or xss proof?

my point is, if java gets the job done, use it, if php lets you go live quickly because it is cheap off the shelf, use it

the programmer's role is to write secure code.

oh, ok.

Well, i still have the opinion that development languages play a major part in securing applications.
I really don't know what you guys are gonna argue in that aspect but watching changelogs and updates would basically show you how security is being improved.

But i think you're more of referring to the developers' part of security, that is the human factor, and that is basically on another level.

webdezzi: so when has any language guaranteed security.
security is the job of the programmer, apps written in java can be as insecure as those written in php.

i write java apps and yes for the web.
the problem with it is the cost of running such apps as you may need at least a vps to get it up

on the plus side for php, a cheap shared server gets you up and running so why wont developers tilt to that direction?

php is as hard to learn as java, none is superior to the other

You are on point bro, I have always found the idea of one being superior amusing and do not wish to waste my time arguing about pointless issues like this.
@op, if you can use JAVA to solve all your problems, then please go ahead, but dont try to force everyone to share your views.

dhtml:
You are on point bro, I have always found the idea of one being superior amusing and do not wish to waste my time arguing about pointless issues like this.
@op, if you can use JAVA to solve all your problems, then please go ahead, but dont try to force everyone to share your views.

I think the OP did not really intend to do a who's-better-than-who debate.
I think it was just an innocent question, seeing the trend of most web developers using more of php/python

Oh i see, i was thinking he felt that naija developers are lazy and afraid of learning JAVA.

webdezzi:
php is as hard to learn as java, none is superior to the other

Please review this part, because that ain't true

@spikeC
+1 for mind readg.
Its like being in a country where every civil servant drives a honda to work when theyve all got benzes and other brands too.
So u askg- y dnt u drive benzes too it can perfectly take you there ? Most reply about hondas fuel economy per year (a bit signifcant)
Honda has automatc gear,benz is manual (ah too much work)
Etc

I think, the cost of hostg issue mayb a putoff.

If is that one, you hear of many developers for naija looking for naija hosting company for N1,000/year.

dhtml:
You are on point bro, I have always found the idea of one being superior amusing and do not wish to waste my time arguing about pointless issues like this.
@op, if you can use JAVA to solve all your problems, then please go ahead, but dont try to force everyone to share your views.

trust me, i hate fighting the which is better war too.

spikesC:
I think the OP did not really intend to do a who's-better-than-who debate.
I think it was just an innocent question, seeing the trend of most web developers using more of php/python

asalimpo: .
why isnt java popular on the web side?
is it hosting cost or what? i know java is more secure than php more well thought out and well designed
and has a full mature web s tack for web development: jsp,servlets etc
so y folks is php,python the rave here?

asalimpo:
you said d bolded speakg out of ur a*s*s.
What part of java do developers pay for? standard,microedition or enterprise edition?
Java is even open sourced.
How free dyu want it 2 be? Fedexed to ur house?
Talkg of security ,java set so many industry standards in security. Java sacrifced speed for security . The jvm is an engineerg marvel and model of techncal excellence.
@spikeC
an experienced java dev wud feel frustrated usg php. Java is simply faster thn php. Theyre java framewrks for web work too.
Naija has standardzed on php,but php isnt technically superior to other web technologies so y no usage of d alternatves?
Even c++ is used for web dev! Facebook translated a huge amount of php code to c++ for performance and economy reasons! The decision would save fb thousands of servers , and reduce heat emission by a signifcant amount.so Theres benefit to using d better technology. Though php may b faster to code in.

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webdezzi:
trust me, i hate fighting the which is better war too.

you've quoted me outta context.

Among desktop oses, there's linux,unix,and windows.
People use windows and its popular. I use windows, but would i b controversial to say linux is more secure,stable,faster than windows?
In terms of free software options can windows stand debian?
Pound for pound?

An objectve assessment simply ranks *nux ahead of windows in some/most categories (but windows is growg too) .
Tryg to b politcal and say it aint so is livg in denial. But this doesnt mean a person can say linux is better than windows (for every one). The definition of "better" is subjectve. Windows is easier to use.
But som1 can ask , y pay for pirated windows when you can download and run linux for free?
Esp since linux can do all windows can do and much more.
Or go the lenght and experiment with other oses like solaris,minix,haiku,pc bsd etc..