cashkidisback1: I think it would be nice if I could believe
in God but the following things make it
really hard. For the purposes of this
threda 'God' is typically christian. that
means he's omnipotent, omniscient,
omnibenevolent, omnipresent, and that
heaven and hell are real places and you
need faith AND good works to get into
heaven. I know a lot ofg Christians
don't belive in this God but a lot MORE
Christians do, so that's why we're going
to go with this definition.
Also, we're going to discuss the basics
of the Christian story. That is, the idea
that God sent Jesus to redeem our sins
and that Jesu was cricified, rose after 3
days and all of that.
Here's 25 things that make it hard for
me to belkieve in this:
Why did God sacrifice Himself to
Himself to change a rule He made
Himself?
Why, if we are the warm, fuzzy
centre of all creation, is the universe
so incredibly massive? I mean, have
you ever seen a pictrre of the
known universe? I saw one on
astronomy picture of the day. Its
unbelievable! There's something like
40 billion galaxies, each with about
100 billion stars. And that's only the
stuff we know about! It seems so
arrogant to bvelieve that of all that,
there's oinly one species on one
planet in one solar system in one
galaxy that actually matters.
Why did God take so long to tell us
about himself? Richard Dawkins
thinks our species is 250,000 years
old. God only came along 3000
years ago(ish). What was he doing
the other 247,000 years why we
were killing eachother over caves
and stuff? And why, if the message
of God was so important, did it take
about 1500 years for the Chinese to
hear about it? Doesnt it make more
sense that the Christian God was
the product of a messianic middle
east cult and there was nothing
"divine" about it?
The trinity doesnt make any sense.,
I mean none AT ALL. Words mean
things and this whole "God exists in
three Persons and one substance"
thing just makes no sense. There is
literally no logic to that senence.
Terminally ill kids.
No miracles nowadays. God never
had a problem meddling in peoples
lives before. Why has he suddenly
got quiet at just the same time our
species has figured out hoiw to
record and analyse things?
If Heaven is perfect happiness, and
Hell is the opposite, how can a
mother be happy in heaven if her
son is sent to hell? If we're changed
THAT MUCH bny going into heaven
mightn't we as well be dead?
The concept of eternal punishmnt is
unjust. Even Hitler doesn't deserve
eternal punishment.
The 'one size fits all' concept of hell
as a punishment is very unjust. Why
should a law abiding atheist and
Hitler get the same punishment?
Remember, the majority of
Christians should (if they follow
their doctrine properly) believe that
faith is essentia;l to be saved.
Why does god require we worship
him? He's supposed to love us,
right? Well, I love my cat but I don't
demand he worships me even
though I am (I like to think) a
superior being.
The concept of heaven is one of
eternal worship of GOd. Wouldn't
that get boring after the first
hundred billion trillion years? Its all
very well saying that heaven by
definition ius always blissful but you
have no way of saying why that
may be , given wha the Bible actually
says about it. Your just saying "God
will fix it when you get there".
The Bible contradicts itself all over
the place. I trust i don't need to cite
this.
The Bible contains nothing that
couldnt have been written by a man
or woman living in 1st century
palestine.
God doesn't answer prayers. No
matter what subjective experiences
you may have had, studies have
been done which prove this.
The gospels were written 70-100
years after Jesus died. Thats plenty
of time for hearsay and conjecture
to creep into the story even if the
basics were true.
The creation myth has been
debunked. If genesis is untrue, God
had much less reason to send down
Jesus because there was no such
thing as original sin.
There are LOADS of logical
problems with the Christian idea
that God is omniscient, omnipotent,
and omnibenevolent. If God is
omniscient that means he must
know everythng, including
everything man knows. That means
he must know lust and envy. If God
knows lust and envy, He must have
feelings of lust and envy. THat
means he's not perfect. The idea of
a perfect God is self defeating.
Another logical problem with the
idea of a perfect God is that,
because a perfect being knows
absolutely everything, God can't
have free will. God knows his
choices in advance.
There is as much hard empirical
evidence for the existence of God as
there is for the ecistence of the
flying spagetti monster. Seriously. If
God does exist then there is
absolutely no difference between
our universe and a universe where
he doesn't exist.
There are still people in the world
who haven't heard of Jesus. If
Jesus's message is so important,
why has God let this happen?
Christians say the universe is finely
tuned to support life and that is
evidence that God exists and
created the universe for us. But our
planet is the only one we know that
supports life and even earth is a
very dangerous place with its
earthquakes and volcanos and
tsunamis and hurricanes and
tornadoes and ice ages dangerous
diseases. Why would God create
such an inhospitable planet for us?
If God created everything, that
means he also created smallpox,
which has killed more people in the
20th century than all the 20th
century dicatorships combined and
multiplied by a hundred.
If God gives us free will to suffer
that means that God must want us
to suffer. THat means God
approves of suffering generally.
Why won't God heal amputees? I
mean, when Christians talk about
God saving or curing someone,
there's always a natural
explanation. Why doesn't God ever
do anything which cant be easily
explained in natural ways?
Terminally ill kids. That one bears
repeating.
That's about all I can come up with. I'm
sure smart people who've studied this
could come up with loads more. I dont
want to offend anyone. This post is the
product of an existential crisis. I really
do want these questions answered so I
can have a chance to believe.
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andyallor: damn it too long!!!!

Busybody2:


A bit busy so to answer this briefly, there is a current high outpouring of the Spirit of God currently on the rise... hence reason people like me from a traditional non-Christian background are having our eyes opened and being made aware and brought into the Christian fold... I have enough experience of God's intervention in my life to write volumes and testify of God's goodness in my life...


Pressed for time, so what i am saying is that God is real and He still answers prayers and is still a miracle working God. Besides GAGUT theorem Gijij=0 which proves the existence of God and one religion has been experimentally and extensively verified by E=MC2, rubberstamped by Prof Steve Hawking, reviewed by many, solved many hypothesis, etc

brb

qstar: ^^^
nawa for the OP o! im just copy/paste verbatim.
Op, we need only the summary pls.

Busybody2:


A bit busy so to answer this briefly, there is a current high outpouring of the Spirit of God currently on the rise... hence reason people like me from a traditional non-Christian background are having our eyes opened and being made aware and brought into the Christian fold... I have enough experience of God's intervention in my life to write volumes and testify of God's goodness in my life...


Pressed for time, so what i am saying is that God is real and He still answers prayers and is still a miracle working God. Besides GAGUT theorem Gijij=0 which proves the existence of God and one religion has been experimentally and extensively verified by E=MC2, rubberstamped by Prof Steve Hawking, reviewed by many, solved many hypothesis, etc

brb

mmsen: 'Believe' in atheism?

It isn't a belief.

cashkidisback1: Atheism is the belief that there is no God, get it now

Justosaus:
If then u don't believe in the existence of a Supernatural Being as the origin of life, what then do u believe in? Mind you, the absence of belief is not belief.
How do you think life began? Are you a fan of Darwin's (theory of evolution)? or the Big Bang Theory?
How do you explain the miracle of Healing? People standing up from wheel chairs? Rising up from the dead?
If there's no Heaven or Hell, where does the spirit/soul of man go after death?

qstar: kikikiki

hifaif: The creation story is the silliest part of the bible. Imagine God just happens from nowhere and starts making stuffs by asking them to happen.

cashkidisback1: are you an atheist

cashkidisback1: are you an atheist

hifaif:

No, I am a freethinker.

cashkidisback1: what's the different between the two

hifaif:

An atheist doesn't believe in the existence of a deity.
A freethinker is someone who has rejected dogma especially with regards to religion.

cashkidisback1: OK.thanks for your explanation

cashkidisback1:
OK ist all we all know who atheists are,that is people who do not believe in the existence of any deity. Now to your question of what I believe in, Nobody knows exactly how life first
developed or what the first evolutionary steps are – atheists don’t know, scientists don’t know,and theists (wether scientists or not)
don’t know. This is not some sort of
‘weakness’ for anyone, it’s simple
honesty.when it comes to biblical view of how life started,The bible is certainly non-scientific, and if taken literally,isn’t even good fiction. Basically, I see religion as having come from
the fear of the unknown.Now, we are smarter.meanwhile am no fan of science when it comes to the evolution and existence of human being.thanks

Now to second question on miracle,I have never witnessed or seen miracle in my entire life except on tv.meanwhile At any given moment on the planet when
miracles are alleged to have occurred, there
are billions of other people who are not being
miraculously cured, healed, or benefitted.
Suppose that Jesus miraculously fed and
healed thousands, raised someone from the
dead, or that God parted the Red Sea to save
the Israelites. Suppose that all of the millions
of visitors to the shrine at Lourdes, France
who claimed to have been miraculously
healed were actually miraculously healed.
Suppose that God were to reach out and
instantaneously eliminate all pointless
suffering in the world today. None of these
miracles accomplishes nearly as much as God
could: He didn’t do it yesterday, he didn’t do it
at northern Nigeria where terrorism is the order of the day, or when the bubonic
plague ravaged and killed millions in Europe
during the 1300s,even now Ebola virus is killing thousands in africa. He didn’t do it in countless other cases where all of the morally relevant details were the same as the cases where he is alleged to have performed a miracle

kolawaxxy:



GAGUT theorem? So you need science to prove the existence of God. Interesting

cashkidisback1: reading won't kill you darling,don't be too lazy to read cause its good for your health