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Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by PastorOluT(m): 2:24pm On Jul 22, 2014 |
tijjanioyan: there are about 50000errors in d bible,so said Jehovah witnessess So says 'JW', and what has their opinion got to do with anything? |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by tola9ja: 5:32am On Jul 23, 2014 |
PastorOluT:if it really the word of god it suppose to be free from error |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by aligs: 5:57am On Jul 23, 2014 |
[quote author=Emusan] You, Muhammad & Allah seem to be confused. If not why would Allah says "If Christians believe in God and the last day they have reward with Allah"? if you believe in God and the last day and accept that prophet Muhammad SAW is a messenger of God, you are a muslim but Christians unfortunately do not.. This is simply because they believe Jesus AS is the son of God, meaning they atleast worship 2 gods, that is Jesus and God. Don't confuse yourself |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by tola9ja: 7:15am On Jul 23, 2014 |
This 1 don spoil everything 2gods imagine that can 2 kings rule? |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by Donsammi(m): 9:53am On Aug 03, 2014 |
tola9ja: This 1 don spoil everything 2gods imagine that can 2 kings rule?you are just attackinq xtians with ur post here on nairaland... if xtians start now there will be ban .besides jesus christ did not practice islam..he died 1000 years bfor the existance of mohammed Jesus was more than a mere Prophet...He was the Son of God. His grave is empty... You can visit Muhammad's... source= http://www.islamlies.com/ |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by tola9ja: 10:34am On Aug 03, 2014 |
Donsammi: you are just attackinq xtians with ur post here on nairaland... if xtians start now there will be ban .besides jesus christ did not practice islam..he died 1000 years bfor the existance of mohammed Jesus was more than a mere Prophet...He was the Son of God. His grave is empty...jesus is prophet and servant not lord. www.nairaland.com/1818791/biblical-evidences-show-jesus-prophet |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by tola9ja: 11:18am On Aug 03, 2014 |
Islam is the only religion in the world That pray salat and is in the bible nehemaiah 8:4-6 you can never see christian converging 2gether I.e jehovah withness worshiping wit cotholic or redeem with celestial they can't, there bible is different from one another there is no uniqueness in there religion. in islam we converge together at the central mosque all muslim of the world converge at mecca there is central mosque in all city of the world there is noting like central church muslim do holy pilgrim to mecca in christian some goto to jerusalem some to vertican city some goto rome no uniqueness anyway whoever Al mighty Allah show s is patch nobody Can miss lead him/her and whoever he miss lead nobody can lead him/her to the wright patch and there is only 1 way to paradise use ur brain judiciously don't let any pastor fool you a word is enough for the wise |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by malvisguy212: 11:50am On Aug 03, 2014 |
tola9ja: Islam is the only religion in the world That pray salat and is in the bible nehemaiah 8:4-6 you can never see christian converging 2gether I.e jehovah withness worshiping wit cotholic or redeem with celestial they can't, there bible is different from one another there is no uniqueness in there religion. in islam we converge together at the central mosque all muslim of the world converge at mecca there is central mosque in all city of the world there is noting like central church muslim do holy pilgrim to mecca in christian some goto to jerusalem some to vertican city some goto rome no uniqueness anyway whoever Al mighty Allah show s is patch nobody Can miss lead him/her and whoever he miss lead nobody can lead him/her to the wright patch and there is only 1 way to paradise use ur brain judiciously don't let any pastor fool you a word is enough for the wiseyou need a touch from the master to free you from this spell. |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by malvisguy212: 11:59am On Aug 03, 2014 |
tola9ja: if it really the word of god it suppose to be free from errorI copy this from a thread in the islamic section created by ayomicvi. Uptill today non of your brothers have answer the op. Who say Quran is God's words ?I believe Quran is not God's words but the words of Muhammad. What make me say this? Iam a Christian that believed in searching for the truth as a way of salvation. Actually, i believed in Bible but i still want to learn about Islam. In quest for this, i read the English Quran to see if its a true book of God. On 24 of July 2014 i finished the reading of Quran without Saadah and these were what i discoverd that made me says Quran is not the words of God but the worlds of Muhammad. 1.If you have read the Bible before and you really understood what you read you would agree with me that Quran isn't God's words because it is not sound like words of God. The Quran used the pronoun such as our, we, he when refers to Allah.To me,Quran sound like words of advice or explanatory words rather than the report speech that it should be.Look at this statement from Quran and tell if it sound like Allah's words or report speech " This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah, on the contrary it is a comfirmation of (revelation) that went before it and a fuller explanation of the book where in there is no doubt it from the lord of the world " (Yunus 4:37) whose statement is the above statement? Even, if it is God's words, why would God commends Quran to the extence of saying " there is no doubt its from the lord of world" who is doubting? Who is speaking ?Who is the lord of the world? Also look at this Or do they say " he forged it" say bring then a surah like unto it and call ( to your aid) any one you can beside Allah if it be ye speak the truth" (Yunus 4:38) was/is Allah in arguement with the people he created? Another Has the story of Moses reached thee? (Those who pull out 2:15) was Allah questioned Muhammad or Muhammad questioned people? 2 the Muslims claimed that Muhammad was not a learner and that Angel Gabriel appeard to him and asked him to read. That is the only time Muhammad claimed he saw an Angel. Muhammad claimed that, he was not a learner and that people said "he forged Quran and the people they are pointing to that he teaches him (Muhammed) was christian but he does not understand arab" In another verse of Quran he says, the christians had testified to Quran that it is like the other books that Allah sent and if people doubted it they should ask them (christians) Muhammed heard the Christians when they said Quran is like other books revealed by Allah, but Quran does not say the language in which they communicated to Muhammad. These shows that Muhammad had Christians around him when he was alive and they can communicate with him. Muhammed claimed he received messages through inspiration " say iam man like you it reveal to me through inspiration that your God is one God" (Ha Him 1:6) " Allah sent his Spirit of inspiration to all his servant" (The believer 2:15) the definition of inspire is to fill with the urge to do something or to creat a filling in a person according to dictionary meaning i believed many things we human being are doing in life are by inspiration. The authors can not write a book if not by inspiration, the musicians cannot write music without been inspired, when you are inspired by the beauty of woman you can write poem . The woman who said she was God, what inspired her? Inspiraton required deep thought. Muhammed source of inspiration cannot be verified or confirmed. When God speaks to Moses Moses heard his voice, the Isaelite during the Moses time heard the voice of God, Samuel heard his voice ,God speaks to some prophets in their dreams, some of the prophets heard the words of God and they were inspired by Holy Spirit to say what they heard. The apostles were inspired by Holy Spirit. How dn we know they were Inspired by Holy Spirit? We know because they revealed the hidden truths in the scripture. The Bible told us of sarmaritan Queen who was reading Scripture from the book of Isaiah but did not understand what she was reading but Philip with the help of Holy Spirit was able to explain it to her and his explanation match with what was happened .Paul with the help of holy Spirit was able to explain how Jesus died for our sins in accordance with the scripture but Muhammed's inspiration denied others prophets writtings. Muslims should tell us why they believed in Muhammed's source of inspiration? 3 Muhammed desires and intetions were what Muhammed made to be the words of Allah - Muslims said Muhammed was not speak of his own desire but what Allah revealed to him but the Quran and Hadith proved this wrong. Because Muhammed speaks of his own desires, that is what make Quran useless without Hadith. Its the hadith that explained Quran. is it surpose to be like that? Hadith that is words of men explained Quran that is the words of God. and the Quran is said to be the book that Allah sent down. That is funny. Look at this verse of Quran. " O ye who believe! Enter not the prophet house until leave (permission) is given you. For a meal (and then) not (so early as) to wait for it preparation but when you are invited, enter: and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk such (behavious) annoyed the prophet: he is shy to dismiss you but Allah is not shy (to tell you) the truth.And when you ask (his ladies for anything ye want ask them from before a screen that make for a greater purity for your hearts and for their. Non is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah messenger, or you should married is widows after him at a time. Truely such a thing is in Allah sight an enormity " ( the Allies 6:53 i think the above issue should be the decission of Muhammed alone .why did Muhammed have to involve Allah. To me Muhammed lied against Allah.He was shy to tell them that he does not like their behavious and he knows that if he speaks in Allah's name to them, they would fear and not see him as a man with bad temper. Humm! He married so many widows in the name of been nice to them but, he does not want any man to share of his wife even when they become widows. Hadith gave many accounts of Muhammed using his intentions and desires to be the words of Allah. The verse on his adopted child (Saheed) was his desire, verse on woman Muhammed could married (Zainab) was his desire ,the facing of mecca(kaaba) when praying was his desire, the Satanic verses (to unite his tribe) was his desire and many more. Allah in Quran always sent verses of Quran in favour of Muhammed. what a lie ! 4. No Hadith no Islam - Quran is not in detail ,it will leave us with qestions when reading it without knowlege of Hadith. many of the doctrines of Islam are based on Hadith, what would Muslims use to preach without Hadith? which prayer do Muslims have to use without hadith?Let take this for example. There is no where in Quran that mention or list 99 names of Allah. What Quran says in similar to that is that, we should call Allah all the beautiful names we know. If this should be the case, then, the names of Allah can be more than 99. Hadiths are useful in Islam , also they exposed the lies of Muhammed. That is why Muslims called some hadiths fabricated Hadith and Some Authentic Hadiths. Many of the writters of Authentic Hadith were also the Writers of Fabricated Hadiths even Aisa one of the prophet wives fabricates words. Who do we have to trust? 5 Repetitions in Quran- if repetitions are to be removed from Quran, i think the suras would remain in Quran should not be more than five suras. Why would God continued to repeat thesame words in so many times? If Muhammed was not have intention to make Quran look like Bible why repetitions of words? What was the idea behind the title of each Suras if Muhammed was not jealous of Jew and envey of Bible? If Quran is really God's words,i think the title of Quran suras should be Muhammad like Isaiah,Jerimaiah in Bible.Did God/ Allah tells Muhammed to use those titles for Quran's Suras? Take notice of repetitions in Quran when next you are reading it,you we understand what i mean. We are still on repetition in Quran. I found something funny in Quran and i want the Muslims on this thread to tell me if it was person that transliterated the Quran i read that made the Mistake or not.What i found was that,The sura Sandhills and Sura Muhammed has thesame content also Sura The Banishment and Sura The Examine One was thesame in content. If it was not mistaken,should what God sent down be like that?Who made that mistakes God or Muhammed or those that compiled it? 6.Sura the Cave -Muhammed was not certain of the numbers of the Youth in the story of the cave.He said "... some say they were three the dog be the fourth among them, other say they were five, the dog being the six doubtfully quessing at unknown (yet others) say they were seven the dog being the eight.Say then my lord knoweth best their number.It is but few that knows there (real case) Enter not into controversies concerning them ,except on matter that is clear,nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the sleepers. The Cave 3: 22 what does Muhammed mean by"some" is it not Allah that revealed the story to him? Why not knowing the numbers of the youth in the cave?"my lord knoweth best their numbers" those words shows that it was'nt God that revealed the story to Muhammed. I trust my God, God of Abraham, God that reavealed the dream of Pharao to Joseph wthout go and come, he revealed the dream of Nheibuckadinazary to Daniel I heard that the story was asked to test the prophethood of Muhammed and it took Muhammed fifteen (15) good days to answer and when he answerd see what he was saying. Why can't Muhammed be sured of their numbers? 7. 'They ask you about this , Say..... ' - I hate that statement in Quran. Is Allah or Muhammed teaching his followers how to tackle Christians and Jews? This shows that Muhammed knows himself to be a liar. 8. The Quran made mentioned of these prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and his eleven brothers(not by names) Moses, Aaron, Zakariah( John the Baptize's father) , Elias,David Solomon, John the Baptize, Jesus. To confirme the Scripure that was sent before Quran but Allah / Quran/ Muhammed did not make mention of Many prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremaiah, Ezeikel, Nehemaiah, Malachi, Zechariah ,Amos. Were they not Prophet of God? Allah /Quran/ Muhammed tells the Stories of Adam, Abraham, Mose Aaron And Pharao, the Thamud ,add, Sodom and Gomarah, Mary, John the Baptize ,Jesus ,to confirm scripture before Quran but what about the prophecies of the above prophets that Quran did not mention were they not from God? And if Muslims would talk , they would say Quran is not a story book. 9. The parables in Quran- cannot be compared with Bible's parable . How could God almighty gives those childish tale as parable. It proved Muhammed to be a liar. 10. Muhamned the loveth prophet of Allah, whose Allah has forgiven his past, the present, and the future sins. The man that would interceed for Muslims on the day of judgement. The man who knows what God would say on the day of Judgement and how God would judged the sinner. I just can fathom why Muhammed deserved the merit he gave to himself over other prophets. In a nutshell, Muhammed was self proclaimed prophet that envey the Jews because both arab and Jew were decsendants of Abraham. He created his religion to save arab of shame of not having a single prophet. |
Re: Is The Bible Really The Word Of God? by tola9ja: 1:15pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
The Quran is the holy book which Muslims recite and turn to for guidance in all aspects of their lives. Its verses have remained intact since their original revelation by God in the 7th century. This brochure explains the divine origin of the Quran by elaborating upon its preservation, authenticity and miracles. It also discusses the Quranic message which has universal appeal and is relevant for all times. The Quran is the last testament in a series of divine revelations from God ( Allah in Arabic). It consists of the unaltered and direct words of God, which were revealed through the Angel Gabriel to Muhammadp, the final prophet of Islam, more than 1400 years ago. Islam is a continuation of the message received by previous prophets, such as Noah, Abraham, David, Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them all. Therefore, the Quran maintains the pure teachings of previous revelations, including the Torah and the Gospel. The Quran describes that all the prophets taught people to believe in the One God, the Creator. The messengers also instructed them to spend their lives with God- consciousness, doing good deeds and avoiding sins. Moreover, they warned their fellow humans of accountability in the afterlife, a subject which the Quran returns to again and again. Since its revelation, the Quran (also spelled ‘Koran’) has remained preserved in its exact, primary text. While numerous translations of the Quran exist, they are all based on the single, original Arabic script, making the Quran unique from previous scriptures in its pure authenticity. Message The distinctive approach of the Quran is that its spiritual message includes practical injunctions aimed at the general welfare of individuals, society and the environment in which we live. The Quran’s message is eternal and universal, transcending our differences in race, color, ethnicity and nationality. It provides guidance on every facet of human life – from economics and the ethics of trade to marriage, divorce, parenting, gender issues and inheritance. Monotheism is a prominent theme of the Quran, affirming that God is One without any partners. In a concisely-worded Quranic chapter, God commands, “Say, ‘He is God the One, God the eternal. He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him’” (112:1-4). A foundational message in the Quran is its emphasis on righteous conduct built on firm belief and love for God. The Quran acknowledges human desires while reminding individuals to cultivate their souls. In addition, God calls on humans to use their intellect and reflect on the world around them. The Quran encourages humankind to recognize the signs of God’s existence in the precise order of the universe and the careful placement of every object in the total scheme of creation. As Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), former British pop star, has expressed, “Everything made so much sense. This is the beauty of the Quran; it asks you to reflect and reason… When I read the Quran further, it talked about prayer, kindness and charity. I was not a Muslim yet, but I felt the only answer for me was the Quran and God had sent it to me.” Preservation Muslims believe that God sent many revelations to humanity throughout history, and over time they underwent changes from their original form. However, God chose to preserve His message to humanity in His final revelation, the Quran. Yet, one might wonder, which evidence supports the claim that the Quran has never been modified? The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammadp over a period of 23 years. The unique rhythmic style of the Quran made it easy to memorize, which has been the main source of its preservation. Moreover, since Prophet Muhammad p could not read or write, he appointed scribes to record the Quran as it was being revealed to him. Thus, the complete Quran was not only memorized by Prophet Muhammad p and many of his companions, but it also existed in its entirety in written form during his lifetime. Within a year after Prophet Muhammadp’s death, a manuscript of the entire Quran was assembled by a committee led by his chief scribe, who followed stringent criteria to safeguard against any errors. This copy was approved unanimously by Prophet Muhammad p’s companions, including hundreds that had memorized the entire Quran. Eventually, several copies of the Quran were compiled in book form and distributed to the major Muslim cities. One such copy is currently at the museum in Tashkent and a facsimile of it, produced in 1905, is available in the Columbia University Library. The process of memorization began during Prophet Muhammadp’s life and is still emphasized by Muslims to this day. In his book, An Introduction to Hadith, John Burton explains that oral transmission through the generations aids preservation by diminishing reliance solely on written records. Manuscripts which are not protected through memorization can be altered, edited or lost overtime. However, a book that is committed to memory by millions of people across the world over centuries cannot be changed due to the amount of people who know it word-for-word. God promises in the Quran, “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)” (15:9). Authenticity Many people mistakenly believe that the Quran was authored by Prophet Muhammad p. In fact, the Quran is the preserved speech of God. At the same time, one might ask, which proofs indicate that the Quran is the Word of God and not the writings of Prophet Muhammad p? In the Quran, God addresses Prophet Muhammadp, “You never recited any Scripture before We revealed this one to you; you never wrote one down with your hand” (29:48). In other words, Prophet Muhammadp, who was known to be illiterate, neither read any previous scriptures nor wrote the Quran. Prophet Muhammadp was greatly regarded in his society for his superior character and exceptional manners, earning him the title of the ‘Truthful One.’ Even after his prophethood, the elite of Mecca were ready to make him their leader, so long as he allowed them to continue their pagan lifestyles. Yet, he was willing to forego all worldly glory in order to fulfill his mission. As a result, he suffered patiently through persecution and exile before ultimately succeeding in revolutionizing the entire Arabian Peninsula. Through it all, God kept on revealing the Quran to him piecemeal. Occasionally, the revelations stopped temporarily, reminding him and others that he had no control over them. Once, when two envoys posed some questions to him, he replied, “Tomorrow I will tell you.” He expected God will inspire the answers in him through revelation and he waited for Angel Gabriel. However, revelation did not come during the next few weeks even as Meccans taunted him. Finally, God sent him the response while admonishing him, “Do not say of anything, ‘I will do that tomorrow,’ without adding, ‘God willing’” (Quran, 18:23-24). The Quran was revealed at a time when the Arabs excelled in oral poetry. However, despite his intelligence, Prophet Muhammad p was not skilled in composing poetry. Yet, when the Quranic verses were recited, they stunned even the most acclaimed poets in the society. Deeply moved by the rhythmic tone, literary merit and penetrating wisdom of the Quran, many converted to Islam. Indeed, the science of Arabic grammar was developed after the revelation of the Quran, using the Quran as a basis for devising its rules. There are many miracles in the Quran which themselves attest to the fact that this truly is a divine scripture. Miracles The Quran mentions phenomena that were unknown at the time. In fact, many were only recently discovered by modern science. For example, God describes the stages of human development in the womb: We created man from an essence of clay, then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place, then We made that drop into a clinging form, and We made that form into a lump of flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms –– glory be to God, the best of creators! (Quran, 23:12-14) Professor Keith Moore, a prominent scientist of anatomy and embryology at the University of Toronto, Canada, has stated, “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God … because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later.” The Quran also describes the expansion of the universe: “And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it” (51:47). It was not until 1925, when Edwin Hubble provided evidence of receding galaxies, that the expanding universe came to be accepted as a scientific fact. Professor Alfred Kroner, a world-famous geologist, explained: “Thinking about many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a Bedouin, I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case.” Universality “This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, containing guidance for those who are mindful of God, who believe in the unseen…” (Quran, 2:2-3). The Quranic message is relevant to every nation and era – another proof that the Quran is truly the Word of God. Intending for this Book to remain a source of guidance, inspiration, wisdom and healing for all of humanity, God designed its message to transcend the bounds of time. The Quran’s divine message applies to all aspects of life and rises above the superficial differences among humans. Its teachings guide the spiritual, social and intellectual needs of humanity. It encourages us to remember God often, to humble ourselves before Him, to fulfill our promises, to work together as a community and to remain patient and perseverant in times of hardship. Quranic stories teach us the importance of placing our trust in God, speaking the truth in the face of injustice and dealing with fellow humans with mercy. In a world starved of love and compassion, the Quran’s universal message provides the solution to the collective despair of the human condition. We invite you to open it and receive the great benefit this book has to offer. This is a blessed Book which We sent down to you [Muhammad], for people to ponder over its message, and for those with understanding to be reminded. (Quran, 38:29) Note: The subscript p next to Prophet Muhammadp represents the invocation Muslims say with his name: May God’s peace and blessings be upon him. |
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