~Sauron~:

What do u mean genuine contenders? Tyson didn't wake up one night to find himself as the youngest heavyweight champion in the world. . .
Are u this daft?? [/b]The people Tyson smashed were genuine contenders themselves. . . . .
Tyson only made em look ordinary. . . . . .[b]Just because Ali is a coward with the way he takes his fights to round 15 does not mean the people he fought were good. . . . . .Tyson is so excellent in his way that he ends his fight in the 1st round thus making his opponent look like a sissy.

I am done arguing on this issue. . . . .We can never ever AGREE with this so y'all can put Boxcyclopaedia here for all u care.
Eastbay(the slowpoke) keeps foaming in the mouth without really adding any genuine input to the debate.
How can anyone say Tyson is not the greatest? It must be pinkeye or cancer of the lens if u cannot appreciate Tyson's short career.
Iron Mike doesn't get his credits because of his lifestyle just like the media prefer Kaka to Cristiano Ronaldo. . . .

A-40:

This is why i call you a beer parlor analyst when you have nothing meaningful to say you feel the urge to insult to make your point known them Reggie Miller and chronic seeds must be working on your system and toying with your brain cells

From this crap you posted alone its clear even to a new-born that you know nada about boxing

I pasted some telling stats for you to compare Ali and Tyson with and you are here making noise about how he made mince-meat of part-time boxers and butchers

Tyson was excellent my ass someone that could not last 5 rounds with decent fighters boxing those days where for men and that is why it used to last as long as 15 rounds the quality of opposition was so high you didn't have riff-raffs and half-steppers come into the boxing ring.If he could knock someone down in 38 seconds doesn't that tell you that he fought with shitty boxers? Why did he not avenge his loss to Lewis and Holyfield? that is the question i have been asking that you Tyson jesters refused to answer



because he went to prison of course.Abi what other reason can one give

i have warned u to desist frm responding to this jester.Av been avin a great deal of laff since.Let Sauron n Dayo be n stp respondin,however difficult that is based on how sacrilegious and poignant the drivel they have been posting is.

Next Level:

@ We can then inter-mix them and agree on a final 10 ten list. Peeps, don't be surprised to see Joe Lasisi v Jerry Okorodudu cropping up in some people's list.  (Hope you catch my drift)

Eastbay:


And Joe Lasisi v Okorodudu:likly to come from Sauron's leaky mouth.
Sorry I haven't compiled a proper list, just my random thoughts

Next Level:


Regardless, he shouldn't have allowed Sugar Ray to dance all night. He should have[b] cut off the ring [/b](I am sure you understood all the terminology I've been using unlike some peeps that might be wondering if I meant he needed to use a scissors to do that (nobi aso ebi o) and that includes "bike" and "stick" - nobi weapons of warfare o ) like he did against Hearns.

Anyway, I look forward to your list.

Next Level:

@Easy Bay, Kay, A-40 (and hey, where is Ibime?)

You guys have time o, continuing with this unproductive debate that is going no where fast. Please let's move on.

Kay listed some super bouts in his posts that brought back memories. So I felt we could do a list of 10 ten super bouts of our choice. We can then inter-mix them and agree on a final 10 ten list. Peeps, don't be surprised to see Joe Lasisi v Jerry Okorodudu cropping up in some people's list. (Hope you catch my drift)

Ok, here goes,


1. Sugar Ray Leonard v Roberto Duran (1)

2. Larry Holmes v Ken Norton (the last round alone - the 15th made this fight great - check youtube)

3. Alexis Arguello v Aaron Pryor (1)

4. Muhammad Ali v Joe Frasier (3)

5. Wilfredo Gomez v Lupe Pintor (phew! Talk about all bang action for 14 straight rounds between two boxing greats)

6. Sugar Ray Robinson v Carmen Bassillo (2)

7. Antonio Barrera v Eric Morales (3)

8. Marvin Hagler v John Mugabi

9. Evander Holyfield v Riddock Bowe (1)

10. Salvador Sanchez v Azumah Nelson

I look forward to your list guys. Once we're done, we can then revert to the top then fights in Nigeria in the 70's to the early part of the 90's.

jalether:

Are we talking abt the greatest boxer or greatest entertainer here, I can bet my mortgage on the fact that
Iron mike Tyson would send any boxer (Ali, Foreman, Suga ray robinsin, et al) to their early grave in his prime
Longevity is not always a sufficient measure for true greatness,  Notorious BIG is regarded as one of (if not the)
greatest rapper of all time with only two albums released through out his short career

larimo:

how can you guys omit floyd ' pretty boy' mayweather! except u r only talking about the heaveyweight category.

Eastbay:

A40,
is this thread still alive?
[b]who is this cracker-jack relating boxing with hip-hop?[/b]like you rightly said,Tyson never bounced back from hs embarrasing losses.

dayokanu:

Did Mohammed Ali also fight at close to 70?

That must mean Foreman is greater than Mohammed Ali.

If Roger Milla can score a world cup goal at 42 then whats Peles excuse? That must mean Milla is greater than Pele

dayokanu:

WHich credible opponent was Alli still fighting at 40? Pray tell? Who did he beat at age 40

Alli won his last Boxing bout at age 36 while Tyson won his last at age 37.

Tyson's prime was between 1985 and 1991 when he went to jail and who tell us his record in that time.

Before Tyson went to jail his record was 41-1. Before Douglas Tyson was at 37-0 Show us Allis records.

Tyson had 6 losses in his career 5 of which were after he spent 4yrs in jail. Which Sportman goes to jail for 4yrs and would still be at his peak

montelik:

This topic is a little insulting. First I like Tyson and I thoroughly enjoyed his brief tenure. I even used to wear the in-famous Tyson hair cut when I was younger. But Tyson doesn't come anywhere near Ali not to mention other great heavyweights.

A few people have pointed out that Tyson went to prison in his prime as an excuse. But if you know your history you would know that Ali was stripped of his titles and his boxing license in his prime because he refused to go to the Vietnam war, when he was drafted. An undefeated champion was basically forced to quit the sport for about 4 years even though he did nothing wrong. Yet when Ali returned after regaining his boxing license, he became world heavyweight champion again, fought in all time classic encounters (rumble in the jungle, thrilla in manilla e.t.c) and beat all the great boxers of his era. People like Foreman (possibly d deadliest puncher boxing has ever seen), Frazier, Norton, Patterson e.t.c.

All genuine great heavyweight boxers faced momentary challenges, whether jail, personal losses or bad management e.t.c. But the true greats like Ali, Frazier, Foreman e.t.c rose to face their challenges and triumph. Tyson never faced his, at the first sign of trouble he showed that he wasn't in the same category as the true greats. I still like him and he was a special boxer (youngest heavyweight champion and only boxer to unify all belts individually) but he falls well short of the greatest category, not to mention being better than Ali.