onitshaigbo: Igbos have nothing to do with Bantus. We are of Middle-Eastern extraction.

PAGAN9JA:

Thanx for opening my eyes to the Truth. Now I see it.


by the way, are you sure this is not your Grandfather

onitshaigbo:

Ignoramus! Ethiopian Jews were saved from persecution and famine by Israel, who transported them free of charge from the abject misery of the Horn of Africa to a first-world modern country Israel, giving them shelter, education, healthcare, and economic opportunities without asking for anything in return. There was never a more compassionate response by a first-world people to a third-world people than the people of Israel to their Jewish brethren in Ethiopia.

We Igbos too will become blessed beyond our wildest dreams when we proudly display our Jewish identity and live as Jews according to the laws of the Bible.

macof:

bigfrancis21 would love this guy

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
I know this dude lmfao

On a video his fellow saud were calling him a monkey
An extremist by the way

PAGAN9JA:

Haha what video is that?
I just posted it randomly.

Radoillo: Eastern Nigeria in this context is the part of the old Eastern Region closest to Cameroun. Home of the Ibibio/Efik/Annang, the Ekoid groups and other groups in that area who still speak Bantu-related languages.

The Igbo are not proto-Bantu.

Ihuomadinihu:
Is n't Igbo part of the old Eastern region again?

Radoillo:

Did I say it wasn't? I said that in the context of Bantu origins, Eastern Nigeria refers to THAT PART of the old Eastern Region.....Ibibio, Ekoi etc.

Was any part of what I said ambiguous?

Radoillo:
Did I say it wasn't? I said that in the context of Bantu origins, Eastern Nigeria refers to THAT PART of the old Eastern Region.....Ibibio, Ekoi etc.

igbodefender:
Igbos and other Eastern people like the Ibibios and Ijaws have done so many great things in the past. For instance, Opobo = Igbo + Ijaw; Aro = Igbo+ Ibibio/Efik. So, why cant Igbos be the Proto-Bantus? Are they not in Eastern Nigeria?

onitshaigbo:

Igbos are not just some Middle Eastern people, but specifically the Jewish people. Our physiology has changed due to centuries of living in the jungles of Southeastern Nigeria, just like the Jews of Europe changed to look more like Europeans.

No one can deny our lineage as the chosen people of God, and our inheritance to the Land of Israel, Eretz Yisrael.

onitshaigbo: Igbos have nothing to do with Bantus. We are of Middle-Eastern extraction.

Radoillo: Some people have no interest in studying their oral tradition. They have no interest in the archaeology and historical linguistics of their people. They refuse to read the works of professional historians and anthropologists on their people.

They insist rather on reading the histories of other people, deliberately mis-understanding what they read, distorting facts and trying to graft their people into other people's history.

They see 'Igbo' in Ife oral tradition, and promptly conclude the aborigines of Ife were ethnically Igbo. They see 'Eri' in the Bible and conclude the early Igbos were Hebrews. They see 'The Eastern Nigerian/Western Camerounian border' referred as the Bantu Homeland and quickly conclude the Bantus branched off from the Igbo.

How can Igbos be proto-Bantu (and the source of the Bantu nations) when the traditions of most of the Igbo groups living closest to people speaking Bantu-related languages (Igbo groups like the Izi, the Ezza, the Ikwo, the Afikpo...all the way down to Arochukwu) readily admit that the Igbo are relatively late comers in that area, who either drove off, absorbed or encircled the 'Bantoid' and Bantu-related groups who PRECEDED them in that area (i.e., the Cross River Basin)?

When are you (especially the folks running this Igbodefender thing) going to stop obsessing over other people's history and actually study yours? Yes, material on early Igbo history are scarce, but any dedicated scholar can find them. I found them. I'm still finding more.

KidStranglehold:

Not only that but LANGUAGE does not indicate Igbo's are Bantu. And remember "Bantu" is just a language group.

Radoillo: Some people have no interest in studying their oral tradition. They have no interest in the archaeology and historical linguistics of their people. They refuse to read the works of professional historians and anthropologists on their people.

They insist rather on reading the histories of other people, deliberately mis-understanding what they read, distorting facts and trying to graft their people into other people's history.

They see 'Igbo' in Ife oral tradition, and promptly conclude the aborigines of Ife were ethnically Igbo. They see 'Eri' in the Bible and conclude the early Igbos were Hebrews. They see 'The Eastern Nigerian/Western Camerounian border' referred as the Bantu Homeland and quickly conclude the Bantus branched off from the Igbo.

How can Igbos be proto-Bantu (and the source of the Bantu nations) when the traditions of most of the Igbo groups living closest to people speaking Bantu-related languages (Igbo groups like the Izi, the Ezza, the Ikwo, the Afikpo...all the way down to Arochukwu) readily admit that the Igbo are relatively late comers in that area, who either drove off, absorbed or encircled the 'Bantoid' and Bantu-related groups who PRECEDED them in that area (i.e., the Cross River Basin)?

When are you (especially the folks running this Igbodefender thing) going to stop obsessing over other people's history and actually study yours? Yes, material on early Igbo history are scarce, but any dedicated scholar can find them. I found them. I'm still finding more.

Ihuomadinihu:
You seem to have a better info on this issue. So what's the origin of igbo pple?

Radoillo: Some people have no interest in studying their oral tradition. They have no interest in the archaeology and historical linguistics of their people. They refuse to read the works of professional historians and anthropologists on their people.

They insist rather on reading the histories of other people, deliberately mis-understanding what they read, distorting facts and trying to graft their people into other people's history.

They see 'Igbo' in Ife oral tradition, and promptly conclude the aborigines of Ife were ethnically Igbo. They see 'Eri' in the Bible and conclude the early Igbos were Hebrews. They see 'The Eastern Nigerian/Western Camerounian border' referred as the Bantu Homeland and quickly conclude the Bantus branched off from the Igbo.

How can Igbos be proto-Bantu (and the source of the Bantu nations) when the traditions of most of the Igbo groups living closest to people speaking Bantu-related languages (Igbo groups like the Izi, the Ezza, the Ikwo, the Afikpo...all the way down to Arochukwu) readily admit that the Igbo are relatively late comers in that area, who either drove off, absorbed or encircled the 'Bantoid' and Bantu-related groups who PRECEDED them in that area (i.e., the Cross River Basin)?

When are you (especially the folks running this Igbodefender thing) going to stop obsessing over other people's history and actually study yours? Yes, material on early Igbo history are scarce, but any dedicated scholar can find them. I found them. I'm still finding more.

Ihuomadinihu: You seem to have a better info on this issue. So what's the origin of igbo pple?

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Bantu is a race

Denying it is like saying German is only a language but not a group of people

Or igbo is not an ethnic group but a language?

Igbo are Bantu at least a lot among them have Bantu ancestry

KidStranglehold:


Bantu IS NOT a race. There is no proof of Bantu being a race or Igbo language being Bantu or part Bantu. "Bantu" is a recent 19/20th century term. The reason why Bantu is a language is because of one word, "the people".

Igbo(and Germans) IS an ethnic group where as Bantu is just a term to group together people who speak a common language. Again its not a race nor is it technically an ethnic group. Even if you want to say Bantu is a "race", studies show that Igbo's don't cluster with Bantu "speakers", so Igbo's can't have Bantu ancestry. And I believe Radoillo even stated Igbo's recently migrated into Eastern Nigeria.

pleep:

Language and race are like the same thing, excluding examples of colonization or conquest. language travels by blood and so anthropologists mainly use language to determine which groups came from where etc.

pleep: Long time guys =D

ChinenyeN:

That topic deserves its own dedicated thread. Or even, it's own book. We can title it, "An Ethno-Historic Sketch of The Igbo: From Time Immemorial to the 20th Century", and it will not fear revisions as new, ethnographic and anthropological evidence emerges.

KidStranglehold:
And I believe Radoillo even stated Igbo's recently migrated into Eastern Nigeria.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Bantu is a race

Denying it is like saying German is only a language but not a group of people

Or igbo is not an ethnic group but a language?

Igbo are Bantu at least a lot among them have Bantu ancestry