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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Olusanya333(m): 10:46pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Trash. Is right for christains to obey the Ten commandment?Yes or No |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:50pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
Olusanya333: Don't derail this thread. Go to this thread for answers to your question. ==> https://www.nairaland.com/1839822/keeping-sabbath
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Olusanya333(m): 11:44pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Trash. Just answer Yes or No. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:01am On Sep 01, 2014 |
Olusanya333: I have answered your question. Next?
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:16am On Sep 01, 2014 |
Olusanya333: And if you insist on staying on this thread let this conversation with a Roman Catholic lady answer the question on the purpose of the 10 commandments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84VNkUcnsHg |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Olusanya333(m): 7:42am On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:No u have not.When u r ready to answer let me know |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Olusanya333(m): 7:44am On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Ur Faith is in dat nd dat u blv. When u r ready to answer the question.Let me know |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by PastorAIO: 11:07am On Sep 01, 2014 |
You are now famous for your lies, but that doesn't stop you. OLAADEGBU: Question: "What is the origin of the Catholic Church?" Did Constantine Convert to Christianity? Did Constantine make Christianity a State Religion or did he merely make it legal?
The lies are too much. Where is Isis called 'Theotokos'? Sources please? Please name one or two temples of Isis that were converted into temples dedicated to Mary. I'm not aware of them. Biggest lie: Catholic Mariology occur in the writing so of Origen from Alexandria. But wait Origen lived from 184 to 253. Constantine was emperor in the 4th century. If Constantine invented Catholic Church then how come Origen introduced catholic mariology in the 3rd century?
'Possibly the religion of several Roman emperors'? Like who? Constantine was into Sol Invictus not Mitraism. And you forgot to mention that it was Jesus himself that called the meal his flesh and his blood. That is not a small omission to make, don't you think. In fact that above is a blatant and misleading lie.
The issue here is too deep to go into here so I'll skip this one for another thread. Again you are contradicting yourself unwittingly (due to lack of historical knowledge). By the time christianity was legalised Constantine had removed the center of Roman empire away from Rome to Constantinople. There were no emperors of a unified Roman empire living in Rome while christianity was legal. In fact it was the Bishop of the See of Constantinople that was favoured. It was Bishop Leo that tried to make the Empire recognise Rome as the head but he was often ignored. It would be interesting to read Canon XXVII of Chalcedon where the eastern bishops challenged Rome. Reading in between the lines there seems to be an acknowledgement that the Bishop of Rome used to be the head of the Church but since Constantinople was the New Rome and the new Imperial centre then things had changed.
If any of your 'many more examples' are as unsound as the ones you've offered so far then don't bother. you are only trying to reinvent history to suit your hatred for christianity. You might be good at twisting the bible but historical facts are a totally different proposition altogether. 2 Likes |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Syncan(m): 11:27am On Sep 01, 2014 |
^^^You did well bro, when I shouted Lies Lies Lies, like athaliah shouted Treason, Treason. He said I should provide proof, I was overwhelmed at where to start from. Well done joor. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:14pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Lies to you is the truth and the truth you see as lies. That is what satan does to those who reject the truth. They are given up to believing lies. PastorAIO: You say this because you have no idea what it means to become a Christian. Christianity is not a religion it is a lifestyle and a relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ our Saviour. PastorAIO: Heresis existed even during the time of Christ. What are you yapping about? See the depiction of Isis in the depiction below. PastorAIO: If that is so why didn't Jesus offer His flesh and blood and let his disciples take a pound of flesh out of Him? PastorAIO: You better do. PastorAIO: The fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Catholic Church are really two branches of the same story, as the power was transferred from one entity to the other. PastorAIO: What do you know? You are not even a Christian, how then would you know about the truth about Christianity? It is dangerous to delve deep into Scriptures when you don't have an open mind to believe, obey and practise the will and word of God.
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:26pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
wonda26: Read up on the link to discover the difference between my church and yours. http://www.gotquestions.org/Roman-Catholicism.html |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by PastorAIO: 2:23pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Right! so who has been lying? Look at the facts and then tell me who has rejected the Truth. You say this because you have no idea what it means to become a Christian. Christianity is not a religion it is a lifestyle and a relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ our Saviour.I didn't say anything. I merely asked some questions. And you are incapable of answering those question honestly so you digress into what it means to be a true christian. I'll repeat: Did constantine convert to xtianity? Did Constantine make Christianity a State Religion or did he merely make it legal? Heresis existed even during the time of Christ. What are you yapping about? See the depiction of Isis in the depiction below.Lol, desperately Trying to Digress. a common disease also known as DTD. What I am 'yapping on about' is your lies that are exposed by the Anachronism of your statements. If the Catholic church started in the 4th century and Origen wrote about mariology in the (2nd)/ 3rd century then how did Catholicism start Mariology. The issue is simple. Did Catholicism pre-exist the 4th century, the reign of Constantine, or did it only start with constantine as you have mendaciously claimed? You haven't answered the questions: Where was Isis ever referred to as theotokos? Which temples of Isis were converted to temples of Mary?Remember that Satan is the Father of lies, so if you want to disown your father you have to prove here that you have not been lying. If that is so why didn't Jesus offer His flesh and blood and let his disciples take a pound of flesh out of Him?Lol! DTD. You have failed to answer what I stated. Listen to the words of Jesus in Matt 26:26: And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. So you see, according to the bible, Jesus did indeed offer his flesh and blood. Of course you are denying this because you are a liar and your Father, satan, is a liar from the beginning. This blatant evidence from the bible will not suffice to shut you up, I know that already. But I'm posting for the general readership of this thread.
What power? Besides it was only the western side of the Roman empire that fell. The political power in the empire had already shifted to the East when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople. There were bishops of Rome long before the fall of the Roman empire dating all the way back to the first century. The church of Rome had already existed. That is again another lie you are peddling. All the while DTD-ing. You didn't address what I said about Canon 27 of Chalcedon.
This standard desperate ruse. It's so sad. Anyone that doens't agree with you is 'not even a christian.' I remember you once even attacked Davidylan with the same desperate move when he wouldn't agree with your hateful polemic on one thread like this. That surprised even me. It was truly wondrous in my eyes. Anyway the facts remain that you have been lying consistently in keeping with your satanic character. masquerading as an angel of light. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:55pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
PastorAIO: You. PastorAIO: If you were paying attention you would have realised that your question has been answered in the OP. PastorAIO: That is a complex question, try again. PastorAIO: Are you suggesting that Jesus encouraged cannibalism? PastorAIO: We are not talking about when heresy started, we are talking about when they were made official into a religious doctrine. PastorAIO: There are basic things I expect from Christians and you have not shown from your objections how you are any different from atheists. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Nobody: 3:12pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Mary in the Early Church by Dr. Mark Miravalle As in Scripture, so too in the infant Church we see the attention of the faithful rightfully focused first and foremost on Jesus Christ. The divine primacy of Jesus Christ (with its appropriate worship of adoration) had to be clearly established before any subordinate corresponding devotion to his Mother could be properly exercised. Nonetheless, the beginnings of acknowledgement and devotion to the Mother of Jesus is present from apostolic times in the living Tradition of the early Church. The first historic indications of the existing veneration of Mary carried on from the Apostolic Church is manifested in the Roman catacombs. As early as the end of the first century to the first half of the second century, Mary is depicted in frescos in the Roman catacombs both with and without her divine Son. Mary is depicted as a model of virginity with her Son; at the Annunciation; at the adoration of the Magi; and as the orans, the "praying one," the woman of prayer. (1) A very significant fresco found in the catacombs of St. Agnes depicts Mary situated between St. Peter and St. Paul with her arms outstretched to both. This fresco reflects, in the language of Christian frescoes, the earliest symbol of Mary as "Mother of the Church." Whenever St. Peter and St. Paul are shown together, it is symbolic of the one Church of Christ, a Church of authority and evangelization, a Church for both Jew and Gentile. Mary's prominent position between Sts. Peter and Paul illustrates the recognition by the Apostolic Church of the maternal centrality of the Savior's Mother in his young Church. It is also clear from the number of representations of the Blessed Virgin and their locations in the catacombs that the Mother of Jesus was also recognized for her maternal intercession of protection and defense. Her image was present on tombs, as well as on the large central vaults of the catacombs. Clearly, the early Christians dwelling in the catacombs prayed to Mary as intercessor to her Son for special protection and for motherly assistance. As early as the first century to the first half of the second century, Mary's role as Spiritual Mother was recognized and her protective intercession was invoked. (2) The early Church Fathers, (also by the middle of the second century), articulated the primary theological role of the Blessed Virgin as the "New Eve." What was the basic understanding of Mary as the "New Eve" in the early Church? Eve, the original "mother of the living," had played an instrumental, though secondary role, in the sin of Adam which resulted in the tragic fall of humanity from God's grace. However, Mary, as the new Mother of the living, played an instrumental, though secondary, role to Jesus, the New Adam, in redeeming and restoring the life of grace to the human family. Let us examine a few citations from the early Church Fathers that manifest this growing understanding of Mary's spiritual and maternal role as the "New Eve," who as the "new Mother of the living," participates with Christ in restoring grace to the human family. St. Justin Martyr (d.165), the early Church's first great apologist, describes Mary as the "obedient virgin" through whom humanity receives its Savior, in contrast to Eve, the "disobedient virgin," who brings death and disobedience to the human race: (The Son of God) became man through the Virgin that the disobedience caused by the serpent might be destroyed in the same way in which it had originated. For Eve, while a virgin incorrupt, conceived the word which proceeded from the serpent, and brought forth disobedience and death. But the Virgin Mary was filled with faith and joy when the Angel Gabriel told her the glad tidings.... And through her was he born…. (3) St. Irenaeus of Lyon (d.202), great defender of Christian orthodoxy and arguably the first true Mariologist, establishes Mary as the New Eve who participates with Jesus Christ in the work of salvation, becoming through her obedience the "cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race": Just as Eve, wife of Adam, yet still a virgin, became by her disobedience the cause of death for herself and the whole human race, so Mary, too, espoused yet a Virgin, became by her obedience the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race.... And so it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by Mary's obedience. For what the virgin Eve bound fast by her refusal to believe, this the Virgin Mary unbound by her belief. (4) The teaching of St. Irenaeus makes evident the Early Church's faith and understanding that Mary freely and uniquely cooperates with and under Jesus, the New Adam, in the salvation of the human race. This early patristic understanding of Mary's unique cooperation appropriately develops into the later and more specified theology of Marian Coredemption. St. Ambrose (d.397) continues to develop the New Eve understanding, referring to Mary as the "Mother of Salvation": It was through a man and woman that flesh was cast from Paradise; it was through a virgin that flesh was linked to God....Eve is called mother of the human race, but Mary Mother of salvation. (5) St. Jerome (d.420) neatly summarizes the entire patristic understanding of the New Eve in the pithy expression: "death through Eve, life through Mary." (6) The Second Vatican Council confirms this early understanding of Mary as the "New Eve" by the Church Fathers, as well as the Fathers' certain testimony to her active and unique participation in man's salvation: Rightly, therefore, the Fathers see Mary not merely as passively engaged by God, but as freely cooperating in the work of man's salvation through faith and obedience.... Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him (Irenaeus) in their preaching: "the knot of Eve's disobedience was untied by Mary's obedience: what the virgin Eve bound by her disbelief, Mary loosened by her faith." Comparing Mary with Eve, they call her "Mother of the living" and frequently claim: "death through Eve, life through Mary" ( 1 Like |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Rich4god(m): 3:34pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:lol.. Ola, stop bringign yourself so low. You are more than this... Mind explaining to us what Jesus meant with the words... "this is my body and this is my blood"... Also, explain what st paul meant in this verse.. 1cor 11:23-27... Dont dodge dis post as you hv been doing on others... |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:14pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Rich4god: The breaking of bread and the drinking of the cup both reminds us of Christ's sacrificial death and the liquid in the cup was not literal blood, which was still in His body. Our Lord Jesus referred to it as being symbolic of His blood and the bread symbolic of His body. Don't go looking for blood and flesh to drink and eat without understanding this truth. 1 Like |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Rich4god(m): 4:21pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:lol... You want to play me the "reverse psychology"... Plz, show me which catholic goes about looking looking for flesh and blood to drink... I think you should take your anger to christ who clearly said "this is my body/blood..." |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Jack65: 4:39pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Rich4god: lol... You want to play me the "reverse psychology"... Plz, show me which catholic goes about looking looking for flesh and blood to drink... I think you should take your anger to christ who clearly said "this is my body/blood..."Oops! |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:48pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Rich4god: The moment you eat your wafer god thing that you claim has been supernaturally made into the real flesh, blood and soul of our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven, you are "killing Him again" and eating like the pagans use to do to their gods.
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Rich4god(m): 5:40pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Thats your own view and belief... Got to 1Cor 11:23-27 and hear what St Paul says about the body and blood of Christ... Bte you and Paul, who should I believe... |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:33pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Rich4god: Paul did not say you should commit cannibalism neither did he tell you to become vampires. The breaking of bread and the drinking of the fruit of the vine could only have been a symbolic statement. The bread was obviously not the physical body of our Lord Jesus Christ, as He was standing in front of them neither could the apostles in 1 Cor 11:23-27 eat His body because He died once for all not to be put to death again and again whenever we want to eat the Lord's Supper.
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:06pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Olusanya333: The video clip shows why you need to be born again? |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Olusanya333(m): 8:18pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Jamb question. I don't even click the link |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:32am On Sep 03, 2014 |
How did the Roman Catholic Church originate, and when? What is their history? http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
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Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Ubenedictus(m): 1:34pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Ola isn't interested in learning, even after the errors in his op has been addressed he is still reproducing them. That is just tragic! |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:52pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Am not interested in learning errors am interested in learning nothing but the whole truth. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Ukutsgp(m): 4:43pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
op u are right. i dnt even need all this write up to know dat d RCC is fake. deceiving and leading people to hell. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Ukutsgp(m): 4:57pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
Roman Catholics who read the Bible will soon discover that many Catholic teachings and practices are specifically forbidden by Jesus Christ Himself. Worship is vain when it is based upon the commandments of men rather than the Word of God. Valid tradition is based upon Scripture and confirms it. Vain tradition is based upon man's teachings and violates it. In Roman Catholicism, tradition is consistently elevated above the Scripture. The result is vain worship, and no matter how sincere, it makes the commandment of God of no effect – a very serious matter. The last few popes have expanded the ecumenical (worldwide) emphasis in the Roman Catholic Church to unprecedented heights. All unity purchased at the expense of doctrinal purity is satanic and deceptive. II Corinthians 6:14-18; Ephesians 5:11; II Timothy 3:1-17, 4:1-8. All who join hands in ecumenical fellowship with those who preach a false Gospel are under God's curse. (Galatians 1:6-10) People do not realize that counterfeit religions, like counterfeit money, must resemble the genuine in order to deceive those who lack spiritual discernment or those who have not had the opportunity or taken the time to carefully compare all the major tenets of Roman Catholicism with the truth of God's Word. Only when one compares men's words with Scripture will it become obvious that Roman Catholicism is a carefully crafted counterfeit, not the pure, genuine, Biblical faith. Jesus Christ plainly taught that Mary was on the same plane with all other Christians who would do the will of God. In Mark 3:31-35 we read: "There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. " Do not avoid the truth here on the authority of Jesus Christ, "Whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." And when one heard Jesus and cried out, "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked, "Jesus answered, "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." (Luke 11:27-28) There is no hint in the Bible that New Testament Christians ever regarded Mary as more than a good woman. She had no authority among the apostles. No one was taught to pray to her, to do her homage, to adore her, or to partake of the unscriptural worship which Catholics do, but call it by other names. To deny that Roman Catholicism is a cult is to repudiate the reformation and mock the millions of martyrs who died at Rome's hands. The "Christ" of Roman Catholicism is just as false as its "Mary." Remember that a cult according to the Word of God is any group of people that worship anything or anyone other than Jesus Christ, and believe anything contrary to His word as recorded in the Bible. Roman Catholicism is not truly Christian, but is in fact an offshoot of Christianity and the largest and oldest "Christian" cult in the world. In addition, the display of adoration, the gaudy parade of a mere man as if he were a god, the pandering to idolatrous worship through bowing down and kissing his ring, the insistence that he be addressed as "His Holiness the Pope" or "Father" of all Christians cannot but confirm to any Christian that the Roman Catholic church is a cult. |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by iamodenigbo1(m): 8:34pm On Sep 15, 2014 |
busy now,will Come back later |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:56pm On Sep 21, 2014 |
chukwudi44: Here are just a few examples of the continual evolution of pagan practices brought into the Roman Catholic Church, starting in 310 A.D.: Prayers for the dead were introduced in 310 The lighting of candles in 320 The worship of saints about 375 The mass was adopted in 394 The worship of Mary began to develop about 432 Priests began to assume distinctive robes in 500 The doctrine of purgatory was introduced in 593 Worship in Latin (since repealed) was mandated in 600 Claims to Papal Supremacy took firm foot in 606 Feasts in honor of the Virgin Mary began in 650 The custom of kissing the Pope's foot was introduced in 709 The worship of images and relics was authorized in 788 The invention of holy water was about 850 The canonization of saints was formalized in 993 Feasts for the dead were introduced in 1003 The celibacy of the priesthood was declared in 1074 The dogma of Papal infallibility was announced in 1076 Prayer beads were introduced in 1090 The doctrine that there are seven sacraments was introduced in 1140 The sale of indulgences began in 1190 The wafer was substituted for the loaf in 1200 The dogma of transubstantiation was adopted in 1215 Confession was instituted in 1215 The adoration of the Wafer began in 1220 The Ave Maria was introduced in 1316 The cup was taken from the laity in 1415 Purgatory was officially decreed in 1439 Roman tradition was placed on the same level as Scripture in 1546 The Apocrypha was received into the Canon in 1546 The immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary was announced in 1854 The doctrine of the papal infallibility was proclaimed in 1864 The personal corporeal presence of the Virgin in heaven in 1950 |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:34pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Source:==> http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2042.cfm |
Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by Ubenedictus(m): 12:22pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: your list is totally inaccurate. But if i were playing your silly games i would add. Trinity Bible both 4th century. |
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