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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Kay17: 2:24pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller: Thanks for the clarification, however it is important to begin a persuasion from common grounds of understanding. Since most ID proponets are reluctant to accept mutations in humans it would be hopeless to reach an understanding from that stage. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 3:36pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Kay17: I totally agree. My only point was that it probably helps in this if we use precise terminology so it can't be distorted as usual. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 3:44pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
davien: The emergence of a new species....what do you understand is a species?An individual belonging to a group of organisms having common characteristics and are capable of mating with one another to produce fertile offspring. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 3:55pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: An individual belonging to a group of organisms having common characteristics and are capable of mating with one another to produce fertile offspring.Good....now when a population of a species' cannot breed with the parent population successfully anymore but amongst themselves what do you call that....? |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 4:12pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller:lol guy ure funny. If humans speciated from chimps due to environmental factor dont u think humans who lost contant with civilation such as those found in the amazon should have speciated into something more like an ape with fur all over their body? Do not use microevolution to prove the macro evolution it cant work that way. secondly, u cant be a christian and believe in the theory of evolution because that will be like believing that God is an ape. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 4:30pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
davien: Good....now when a population of a species' cannot breed with the parent population successfully anymore but amongst themselves what do you call that....?hahaha....is this what u want to use and confuse me?, Show a proof of a particular population of living organisms that was studied from the point of speciation due to adaptation to the point where they are unable to interbreed with their parent population. 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by RikoduoSennin(m): 4:44pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller: And just a last comment before I say good night: can you explain to me why fundamentalists are so offended by evolution when their biblical story says that all humans on earth are the result of incest between Eve and her sons? I find that idea far more offensive. The bolded Section is False, a Malicious lie. Quote where such is written in the bible! This just ruin everything you have been posting on this thread for me. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 4:50pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: hahaha....is this what u want to use and confuse me?, Show a proof of a particular population of living organisms that was studied from the point of speciation due to adaptation to the point where they are unable to interbreed with their parent population.Quite the contrary i dislike dishonesty....here is the study you asked for,i will even post a commentary from the source "An excellent example of evolution in action is a 14-year experiment done with Anolis lizards.(Losos et al, 1997) A single species of Anolis lizards was spread across 14 Caribbean islands none of which had any previous lizard populations. Over the time of the experiment, the lizards each adapted to their respective environments. Several new species of lizards evolved. The lizards each changed body shape in response to the flora in their environment. In fact, scientists were able to predict exactly how each lizard population would evolve before seeing the results. Scientists estimate that this change was on the order of 200 darwins, which are measured units of evolutionary change. In comparison, the average rate observed in the fossil record is only 0.6 darwins." from [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html#speciation [/url] And also you'd like to read up here to understand speciation in sexually active populations For organisms that reproduce sexually, speciation begins when parts of a population evolve differences from one another. Eventually, the two parts of the population may evolve so many differences that they can no longer interbreed. This can happen in many different ways — through shifts in mate availability, mate choice, or simply the organisms' ability to mate successfully with one another. Now, two groups of researchers have shown exactly how these mating differences, the first steps in speciation, can evolve in bird populations in less than 50 years. [url] http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation [/url] 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 5:09pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
davien: Quite the contrary i dislike dishonesty....here is the study you asked for,i will even post a commentary from the sourcemy dear this has proved nothing now!, the lizard only changed in colour pattarn and size but still remains a lizard,it did not evolve into an aligator or a python. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 5:20pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: Then correct me. Where does it say in the bible that other females were created? |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by macof(m): 5:26pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: my dear this has proved nothing now!, the lizard only changed in colour pattarn and size but still remains a lizard,it did not evolve into an aligator or a python. 2 Likes
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by macof(m): 5:28pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: lol guy ure funny. If humans speciated from chimps due to environmental factor dont u think humans who lost contant with civilation such as those found in the amazon should have speciated into something more like an ape with fur all over their body? Do not use microevolution to prove the macro evolution it cant work that way.Nobody ever said humans separated from chimps. Pls go read a book. I don't why people are Still bothering with lost illiterates like this |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 5:39pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
macof:it better to be an illiterate than to be a mad man. Cuz mad men say things they cant even explain. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 5:46pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: lol guy ure funny. If humans speciated from chimps due to environmental factor dont u think humans who lost contant with civilation such as those found in the amazon should have speciated into something more like an ape with fur all over their body? Do not use microevolution to prove the macro evolution it cant work that way. Who ever said that humans originated from chimps? Nobody. And especially not the theory of evolution. They share a common ancestor with humans. Which is why they are so extremely similar to us (no, that's not an insult to anybody). I have made you aware before that this differentiation between micro and macro evolution makes no sense. Evolution is evolution. Well, you can't be a FUNDAMENTALIST Christian and believe in evolution. But I sure know numerous MODERATE Christians who have no problem with it. I know that any sort of moderation in religion is not common in Nigeria. Instead we practice our imported religion the way it was practiced in Europe in the 13th century. This is not the case in the rest of the world though. 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 6:06pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller:now the question is, if humans speciated from common ancestors with the chimp,... why hav'nt those humans who lost contact with other human civilization speciated into somthing more like an ape with fur all over there body due to change in enviroment. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Psylas(m): 6:07pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
prettyboi1989:intelligent people don't believe what they don't know
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 6:11pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: my dear this has proved nothing now!, the lizard only changed in colour pattarn and size but still remains a lizard,it did not evolve into an aligator or a python.why would a lizard evolve into an already present genetic heirachy?! And i posted that link for you to read up on...doubtfully you didn't...that goes to show you have a presupposition about it of not being true....if you did bother to read it you would have read about the observed development of entirely new organs(new to that particular specie) "Lizards of the species Podarcis sicula from a nearby island were introduced by scientists to a new island previously uninhabited by scientists in 1971. Since then, several evolutionary changes have occurred. This included the formation of completely new organs in the lizards known as cecal valves, which helped the lizards digest their new strictly plant diet. To the left is a photograph of the cecal valve in a male specimen." 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 6:16pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: now the question is, if humans speciated from common ancestors with the chimp,... why hav'nt those humans who lost contact with other human civilization speciated into somthing more like an ape with fur all over there body due to change in enviroment. Err, is it you who decides how something SHOULD evolve?! In fact, nobody decides. Evolution has come up with a million different adaptations. Humans adapted to their environments differently than chimps. And do you have an example of one human population that was isolated from the rest? And if you have such an example can you explain why they would necessarily evolve into "something like a chimp"? Btw I'm still waiting for your explanation about the "creation" of females. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Psylas(m): 6:27pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: are u mad!, i should be asking u that . And yes evolutionist believe a big bang occured out of no where and formed the galaxy , was any evolutionist there when it occured? U guys propose a theory and believe in it with no proof is'nt that faith?, I have ask u to show me one primate that has evolved into human but u have not... Give an evidence of a simple life form that has evolved into a complex one. show me proof of amoeba that has evolved into a rat or a goat; if u cant pls shut up and go to sleep.our life span is too shot for us to notice that, it'll take hundreds million year to notice it 2 Likes
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 6:45pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: now the question is, if humans speciated from common ancestors with the chimp,... why hav'nt those humans who lost contact with other human civilization speciated into somthing more like an ape with fur all over there body due to change in enviroment. If you need more proof that life forms indeed do share common ancestors, then have a look here. Every species still carries its ancestral DNA. This means you still carry the genes of your very distant reptile, fish etc. ancestors. During embryogenesis you follow the evolutionary path where you came from. This can be seen by the fact that you start off as one cell, then become an aggregation of cells, then you become a fish-like creature with gills etc. So let's look at a few atavisms. These are evolutionary throwbacks. This means that some ancestral genes can be expressed again phenotypically (after they had been "shut off" in the course of evolution, which made us lose certain traits). The genes that made our ancestor grow fur have been shut off. When they are not suppressed, you get humans with fur. The genes that made our ancestor have a tail were shut off as well. When they are not suppressed, you get humans with rudimentary tails. The genes that made our ancestor have rows of nip-ples were shut off during primate evolution. When they are no longer suppressed you get humans with supernumerary nip-ples. The genes that made the ancestor of snakes have legs were suppressed during the evolution of snakes. When they are no longer suppressed, snakes can grow legs. Interesting, right? 2 Likes
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 6:51pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
More proof for common ancestry: vertebrate embryology. All vertebrate embryos start out having a tail and gills. 1 Like
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 6:53pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Psylas: our life span is too shot for us to notice that, it'll take hundreds million year to notice ithow do u know it will take a hundred million years to notice. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 6:58pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Comparative Anatomy: comparing organisms' body structures can also show evolution and a common ancestry. Organisms that have the same bone structures but physically have different functions (Homologous structures). eg. bat's wings have the same bone structure as a whale's fin. Even though these animals do not look the same, and the functions may be different, their arms and hands' bone structures indicate shared ancestry.
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Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 6:59pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: how do u know it will take a hundred million years to notice. because that's how long evolution on the larger scale has always taken 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 7:22pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: my dear this has proved nothing now!, the lizard only changed in colour pattarn and size but still remains a lizard,it did not evolve into an aligator or a python.why do you think evolution involves a species jumping several taxonomic levels to become another different existing specie??.... at best what happens is the myriad uses of it's present structures...until they become more specialized... If you had read the article i brought up you would have encountered the case where other lizards had become so specialized in diet after being introduced to an environment that favoured more vegetation that entirely new organs were developed "Lizards of the species Podarcis sicula from a nearby island were introduced by scientists to a new island previously uninhabited by scientists in 1971. Since then, several evolutionary changes have occurred. This included the formation of completely new organs in the lizards known as cecal valves, which helped the lizards digest their new strictly plant diet. To the left is a photograph of the cecal valve in a male specimen." [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html#speciation [/url] 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 7:33pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller:there are several people in the amazon jungle who have lost contact with civilation and according to ur evolution theory this people should have evolved to somthing more like an ape cuz of the need to adapt to their environment. As for the eve case; Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos. so as u can see adam had several sons and daugthers laters and seth would have taken his wife from their offring. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 7:43pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
davien: why would a lizard evolve into an already present genetic heirachy?!this has not proved anything. According to evolution theory humans speciated from apes to become humans , This lizards should have speciated from a lizard to aligator or somthing totaly different. |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 7:45pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: there are several people in the amazon jungle who have lost contact with civilation and according to ur evolution theory this people should have evolved to somthing more like an ape cuz of the need to adapt to their environment.Sorry to burst your bubble...but that's still in-breeding...and harmful mutations are highly likely from such....why is because variance cannot occur and since haploids aren't even perfect copies of parents' in the first place...basic functional activities of the cell are from the genes are either missing or develop in the wrong way....i.e four eyes,no head etc... 1 Like |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 7:52pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: this has not proved anything. According to evolution theory humans speciated from apes to become humans , This lizards should have speciated from a lizard to aligator or somthing totaly different.lol..... |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by davien(m): 7:53pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: this has not proved anything. According to evolution theory humans speciated from apes to become humans , This lizards should have speciated from a lizard to aligator or somthing totaly different.lol.....wait did i just read this right....lizard speciate to an aligator First off...developing entirely new organs didn't raise a flag for you that the lizard specie just became something different from its predecessors wow!...this is a whole new level of denial... And the development of new organs isn't the end of evolution on those lizard specie...if you would have actually read any of liekiller' propositions you would have understood that such a change that is beneficial would be enforced through several generations if permitted by natural conditions i.e the island.... Please again explain to me why you keep thinking it has to become something already existing?.... oh and point of correction....populations of an organism evolve,not single organisms... 2 Likes |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by Liekiller(f): 8:03pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
EMILO2STAY: there are several people in the amazon jungle who have lost contact with civilation and according to ur evolution theory this people should have evolved to somthing more like an ape cuz of the need to adapt to their environment. Your example with the Amazon tribes is not applicable. Homo sapiens have only been around for about 200'000 years. Even IF a certain sub-population had been isolated completely during all this time it would not be nearly enough time for them to evolve into a new species. Eve case: ok. so we have Eve and her daughters then. That means they must have inbred with their sisters if it wasn't with Eve. In the next generation their cousins. I can tell you this tribe wouldn't have survived more than a few generations.... 2 Likes |
Re: Creation Vs. Evolution by EMILO2STAY(m): 8:15pm On Sep 11, 2014 |
Liekiller:these are pure lies , there is nothing like genes that cuz humans to grow fur have been shut off. As long as evolution is concerned everything continues to evolve. If evolution is true the native of the amazon should have developed furs and foot-like arms cuz of the need to adapt to their environs. cats, dogs, cows share much gene with humans why does the embryo not mimic these animals. What u claimed as “gill slits” like those of a fish are actually your throatpouches. The embryo never has gills and they are never slits.They develop into important human organs like the ear canals, thymus, and parathyroid glands. |
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