So, did Jesus commit suicide or not? Let’s
examine the situation.
First of all, people stating that Jesus committed
suicide admit that he has a full power to control
the situation; In other words, they acknowledge his
divine nature; they agree that Jesus is God. But In
this case, speaking about a suicide is nonsense
because the God is immortal, and “the term suicide
is applied to all cases of deaths”; the death of an
immortal, as we understand, is a contradiction in
terms.
The Bible shows Jesus’ immortality in a number of
cases; John, for example, says, “And the Word was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld
his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth” (John 1: 14). Thus,
Jesus is the Word which existed in the beginning
of time, has lived among us as a human, and will
judge the humankind at the end of times. Is it
relevant to talk about a suicide of the God’s Word?
“But Jesus was the God and a human at the same
time” someone might argue, “and his human
nature was terrified by the death.” ” Abba, Father,
all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup
from me,” Jesus says (Mark 14: 36). If there is a
fear of the death, doesn’t it mean that the death is
real for Jesus? And if it is real, allowing the
enemies to kill himself is a suicide; the death
“resulting directly, or indirectly, from a positive or
a negative act of the victim himself, which he
knows will produce these results.”
This statement is logical; however, “lays down his
life” has a different meaning for Jesus than for
mortals. “For this reason the Father loves me,
because I lay down my life, that I may take it
again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of
my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I
have power to take it again; this charge I have
received from my Father" (John 10: 17,18). Jesus
also says that “I and the Father are one” (John
10:30).
I believe that trying to understand Jesus’ human
nature apart from his divine nature is meaningless;
Christ could be studied only as a whole.
Consequently, the death does not exist for him;
and if there is no death, there is no suicide.
But what cup is Jesus talking in the Garden of
Gethsemane about? What is he trying to avoid if
not death? The Bible does not give us a direct
answer, but we can presume that Jesus is naturally
afraid of upcoming sufferings. The Jesus’ moment
of weakness is very short, however, and he faces
his fate courageously.
Now, let’s consider this case from an atheistic
perspective, and presume that Jesus is an ordinary
man; I’m doing it because there is a wide-spread
opinion that Jesus commits a so-called suicide by
cop. It refers to a situation when a victim
intentionally provokes somebody, usually a law
enforcement officer, to kill him. I think this claim is
not serious because Jesus does not provoke
anybody. If the man tried, for example, to grab
Pontius Pilate by the beard to provoke the
procurator’s guards to slash him, then it would be
a suicide by cop; otherwise, there is nothing but
an ordinary execution.
Lastly, another interesting scenario is possible;
what if Jesus is not a god, but a powerful prophet
as he is seen in Islam, for example. As we
remember, the Old Testament prophets do not
hesitate to use their powers to protect themselves
and kill people. Thus, Elijah slays 850 pagan
prophets, and his pupil Elisha makes she-bears
tear 42 children to pieces just because they have
called him baldhead (1King18: 19,40; 2King2:21).
Thus, in this case, Jesus is mortal and he has a
power to save his life; however, he is not doing it
to fulfill the God’s will. Consequently, his death is
resulted “directly, or indirectly, from a positive or a
negative act of the victim himself.” So, I think that
we have a right to say that from this viewpoint,
Jesus Christ has committed suicide.

Rational opinions are highly welcomed.

Jesus Christ did not exist. how can a man that never existed commit suicide?

Raiders: Jesus Christ did not exist. how can a man that never existed commit suicide?

We're assuming he existed and lived as reported in the Bible.

Zikdik:
We're assuming he existed and lived as reported in the Bible.

If we are to go by the bible. he went to heaven and we are waiting for him to come back to destroy earth.

Raiders: If we are to go by the bible. he went to heaven and we are waiting for him to come back to destroy earth.

That's outta the question.
Did Jesus, if he existed, commit suicide?

Zikdik: So, did Jesus commit suicide or not? Let’s
examine the situation.
First of all, people stating that Jesus committed
suicide admit that he has a full power to control
the situation; In other words, they acknowledge his
divine nature; they agree that Jesus is God. But In
this case, speaking about a suicide is nonsense
because the God is immortal, and “the term suicide
is applied to all cases of deaths”; the death of an
immortal, as we understand, is a contradiction in
terms.
The Bible shows Jesus’ immortality in a number of
cases; John, for example, says, “And the Word was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld
his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth” (John 1: 14). Thus,
Jesus is the Word which existed in the beginning
of time, has lived among us as a human, and will
judge the humankind at the end of times. Is it
relevant to talk about a suicide of the God’s Word?
“But Jesus was the God and a human at the same
time” someone might argue, “and his human
nature was terrified by the death.” ” Abba, Father,
all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup
from me,” Jesus says (Mark 14: 36). If there is a
fear of the death, doesn’t it mean that the death is
real for Jesus? And if it is real, allowing the
enemies to kill himself is a suicide; the death
“resulting directly, or indirectly, from a positive or
a negative act of the victim himself, which he
knows will produce these results.”
This statement is logical; however, “lays down his
life” has a different meaning for Jesus than for
mortals. “For this reason the Father loves me,
because I lay down my life, that I may take it
again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of
my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I
have power to take it again; this charge I have
received from my Father" (John 10: 17,18). Jesus
also says that “I and the Father are one” (John
10:30).
I believe that trying to understand Jesus’ human
nature apart from his divine nature is meaningless;
Christ could be studied only as a whole.
Consequently, the death does not exist for him;
and if there is no death, there is no suicide.
But what cup is Jesus talking in the Garden of
Gethsemane about? What is he trying to avoid if
not death? The Bible does not give us a direct
answer, but we can presume that Jesus is naturally
afraid of upcoming sufferings. The Jesus’ moment
of weakness is very short, however, and he faces
his fate courageously.
Now, let’s consider this case from an atheistic
perspective, and presume that Jesus is an ordinary
man; I’m doing it because there is a wide-spread
opinion that Jesus commits a so-called suicide by
cop. It refers to a situation when a victim
intentionally provokes somebody, usually a law
enforcement officer, to kill him. I think this claim is
not serious because Jesus does not provoke
anybody. If the man tried, for example, to grab
Pontius Pilate by the beard to provoke the
procurator’s guards to slash him, then it would be
a suicide by cop; otherwise, there is nothing but
an ordinary execution.
Lastly, another interesting scenario is possible;
what if Jesus is not a god, but a powerful prophet
as he is seen in Islam, for example. As we
remember, the Old Testament prophets do not
hesitate to use their powers to protect themselves
and kill people. Thus, Elijah slays 850 pagan
prophets, and his pupil Elisha makes she-bears
tear 42 children to pieces just because they have
called him baldhead (1King18: 19,40; 2King2:21).
Thus, in this case, Jesus is mortal and he has a
power to save his life; however, he is not doing it
to fulfill the God’s will. Consequently, his death is
resulted “directly, or indirectly, from a positive or a
negative act of the victim himself.” So, I think that
we have a right to say that from this viewpoint,
Jesus Christ has committed suicide.

Rational opinions are highly welcomed.

Where is all this come from and to what aim? If you read the bible as you quote the scriptures please re-read it from Matthew to revelations and your rational will be answered. Please if you still continue to argue then let it be known your case is beyond redemption and no sane xtian wil want to argue it out with you.


Blessed is he that has not seen but yet believe.

jesus was killed. his sympathetic disciplines formulated a story he died for us. he ascended to heaven yeah right and everyone in the town did not see him flying up. except his deluded followers

This issue of whether Jesus committed is not something you should be pondering on He said that he came to fulfill what was written in the scripture... What he did was live the will of the Father.

free2ryhme:





Where is all this come from and to what aim? If you read the bible as you quote the scriptures please re-read it from Matthew to revelations and your rational will be answered. Please if you still continue to argue then let it be known your case is beyond redemption and no sane xtian wil want to argue it out with you.


Blessed is he that has not seen but yet believe.

There is no such thing as a sane Christian.

I think he did in fact commit suicide.

His purpose on earth was to die for our sins and he did just that.

By wanting to die for our sins, he is shown to have a death wish. Every suicidal person has a death wish. In terms of intent then, he possessed the requisite suicidal intent.

How did he end up dying? By accident (an unplanned course), by his own hand, or by inducing another to kill him?

It is quite certain that his death was no accident. Between the other two means, there is no consensus.

There is evidence that he died by his own hand. Crucifixion is known to take a very long time to kill; it is designed to torture one to death. The process is hastened by the breaking of one's legs. Jesus is reported to have died before long:

"So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs." (John 19:32-33)

You have to wonder what the state of health of the son of God was. It could have been nothing less than impeccable. Jesus could only have died this quickly if he gave up his life, which was certainly in his power to do. See these two verses:

John 10:17-18: "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

Luke 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

Now, having been crucified and surely on his way to death, what difference would it have made to hasten the process? The two important conditions, being put on the cross and death, would be satisfied either way. So Jesus could conceivably have killed himself.

On the other hand, in the event that he did not kill himself, and he died at the hand of another, you have to remember that Jesus did have a death wish and he did not do anything to get out of harms way when it came. Even when Pilate attempted to give him a way out, he refused to take it.

If a human being whom you know to be suicidal, when confronted with danger which he knows will get him killed, refuses to react to it and ends up dead, would you not say that he committed suicide? Remember that for suicide, in the moral realm, it is the intention that counts and here we are concerned with the moral.

This issue of whether Jesus, being God and therefore immortal, can be said to die, is moot. The human soul is equally immortal, at death it is sent to either heaven or hell but it is not extinguished. Jesus, in human form, died and was sent to hell just like any other human being. This satisfies the definition of death and by extension, suicide, that we are using.

So I think Christ committed suicide. I don't think suicide is always wrong tho.

finofaya:
So I think Christ committed suicide. I don't think suicide is always wrong tho.

Interesting.

Let Jesus just give u one slap then decide if he really existed.

Zikdik:
Interesting.

Yeah? Which part?

Zikdik:
There is no such thing as a sane Christian.

NL dey breed all kinds of people

free2ryhme:



NL dey breed all kinds of people

All kinds, I tell ya. Thanks for stopping by.