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A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 8:22pm On Sep 15, 2014
IS NIGERIA GOING THE WAY OF TURKEY?
•Turkey is in the present day Europe and
partly in Asia minor.
•Apostle Paul was a citizen of Tukey
because Tarsus exists in Turkey.
•Christianity existed in Turkey for about
1,023 years while Christianity has only
existed in Nigeria for 172yrs starting
from when Rev. Birch Freeman came to
Badagry in 1842.
•The seven churches Jesus spoke to in
Revelations 2&3(Ephesus,Smy
rna,Laodicea,Philadelphia,etc)existed in
the old Turkey.
•The disciples were first called Christians
in Turkey(Antioch)
•Turkey once had the largest Christian
auditorium in Europe called Hagia
Sophia in Constantinople.
•Mary the mother of Jesus was taken to
Turkey by Apostle John and till date, her
room has become a tourist centre.
TURKEY TODAY
•Present day Turkey now has 96%
muslims&0.02% Christians(less than
130,000).
•The Hagia Sophia(once largest church
in Europe) was taken over by muslims
and converted to a mosque for over
400yrs and later used as an Islamic
Museum
WHYCHRISTIANITY COLLAPSED IN
TURKEY
•Emphasis on doctrinal differences
weakened the Turkish church.
•Rivalries amongst denominations
•Petty politics in church coupled with
ethnic biase
•The Turks were building big cathedrals
instead of building men.
HOW IT HAPPENED
•Osman Ghazi discovered the disunity
amongst Christians and used it to fight a
Jihad that led to a mass genocide of the
Armenians, the Hellen and Turks of that
day. Infact, the weapon of war used was
designed by a Turkish Christian.
•Many Christian women converted to
Islam to save their lives and some were
raped.
•Osman Ghazi started the Ottoman
empire which gave muslims political
post and made it a religion of the state.
IS NIGERIA HEADING THE WAY OF
TURKEY
•Virtually all the mistakes the church in
Turkey made, the Nigerian church has
made it.
•We are building Cathedrals at the
expense of discipling men.
•Disunity amongst churches
•Ethnicity in the church
•Denominational rivalry, etc.
•Sharp division along doctrinal lines
MORE FACTS
•The spiritual foundation of Turkey is
stronger than that of Nigeria and
Christianity existed for over 1000yrs in
Turkey unlike ours which is just 172yrs
but Islam Radicalism uprooted it. If it
can happen in Turkey, it can also
happen IF we are not careful.
•The menace of Boko Haram has
destroyed a lot of churches in the north
and it may take another 200yrs to
evangelise Borno state alone.
•There is a secret agenda to Islamize
Nigeria&other African nations as
contained in Abuja declaration of 1989.
DON'T SAY IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE, IF
WE DON'T RIGHT OUR WRONGS AS A
CHURCH.
SOLUTION
•HEART-FELT Intercession
•Aggressive evangelism- the terrorist
reached out to the youths in the norths
first and gave them AK-47 and bombs, if
we had reached out to them on time,
they'll be carrying BIBLES today.
•Mission support:-God is holding the
church responsible for Boko Haram, yet
we are blaming the governement.If we
had supported missions and
missionaries, we would have those
insurgents to Christ long ago.
•Unity of the church is key in winning
this battle. The last but not the least
christians should be actively involve in
politics. Enough of these muslims
political office holder with islamic
agenda
ARISE CHURCH & LETS DO THE NEEDFUL

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by gede7744(f): 8:28pm On Sep 15, 2014
OK noted. God. will help us
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by josh001(m): 9:19pm On Sep 15, 2014
gede7744: OK noted. God. will help us
He has helped us well, let's help ourselves in doing the needful.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Lordlexyy: 9:31pm On Sep 15, 2014
You have said it all. May God strengthen us to stand and fill the gap.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 10:04pm On Sep 15, 2014
Let's start by uniting as the body of Christ.
Though we are many, we are one body. We are one body in Christ.

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by emeviks: 10:57pm On Sep 15, 2014
There is no love in any religion!
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 11:04pm On Sep 15, 2014
Sorry, pals. Too late. With or without "secret plan" to islamize Nigeria, God's plan is that His religion, Islam will prevail over all rivals even if unbelievers hate it. God Almighty, (Allah, God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Ismail, Isaac, Jesus and Muhammad) already said in His Book, Qur'an that His Ummah,(Muslim community, regardless of race, nationality or ethnicity), the righteous shall inherit the earth. This statement doesn't mean violently taking over folks especially innocent ones. Rather, it means Islam will eventually prevail by Allah's Divine wisdom. BH are something completely opposite. That's political wing.

As for Christianity in Turkey, believe it or not, that old form of Christianity is not what you Christians practice today. The form of Christianity which Muslims took over was orthodox-like which had its capital in Constantinople, christian Byzantine. The reformed like version of this old Christianity only exist majorly in Eastern Europe and middle east, perhaps. They still abide by old style dressings, and forbid what God forbids. They reject homosexual. That's why Muslims will prefer them to Christian West, which is western Europe and Americas. Africa and Caribbean. Western Christianity which Nigerian Christians embrace is the one that embraces homosexual and all types of vices, yet still claim to believe in Jesus.

So for Op to claim relation with Christian Byzantine Turkey is really a big joke. Their Christianity is different from yours that permits what God forbids in the Bible. Christian Byzantine, now Eastern EU celebrate their Xmas around January 9th but Christian West (including Nigerians) celebrate a commercialized Xmas on the day devil was born.

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Nobody: 1:49am On Sep 16, 2014
turkey is just one of the numerous historical and biblical christain countries of middleeast and North Africa that where islamized,but the forces of darkness shall not prevail.

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 9:11am On Sep 16, 2014
Empiree: Sorry, pals. Too late. With or without "secret plan" to islamize Nigeria, God's plan is that His religion, Islam will prevail over all rivals even if unbelievers hate it. God Almighty, (Allah, God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Ismail, Isaac, Jesus and Muhammad) already said in His Book, Qur'an that His Ummah,(Muslim community, regardless of race, nationality or ethnicity), the righteous shall inherit the earth. This statement doesn't mean violently taking over folks especially innocent ones. Rather, it means Islam will eventually prevail by Allah's Divine wisdom. BH are something completely opposite. That's political wing.

As for Christianity in Turkey, believe it or not, that old form of Christianity is not what you Christians practice today. The form of Christianity which Muslims took over was orthodox-like which had its capital in Constantinople, christian Byzantine. The reformed like version of this old Christianity only exist majorly in Eastern Europe and middle east, perhaps. They still abide by old style dressings, and forbid what God forbids. They reject homosexual. That's why Muslims will prefer them to Christian West, which is western Europe and Americas. Africa and Caribbean. Western Christianity which Nigerian Christians embrace is the one that embraces homosexual and all types of vices, yet still claim to believe in Jesus.

So for Op to claim relation with Christian Byzantine Turkey is really a big joke. Their Christianity is different from yours that permits what God forbids in the Bible. Christian Byzantine, now Eastern EU celebrate their Xmas around January 9th but Christian West (including Nigerians) celebrate a commercialized Xmas on the day devil was born.

My dear, you've made your point. Perhaps, you didn't read my post thoroughly before hastily sharing you part of history.
There has been no islamization devoid of terrorism. Turkey is a case study, where people converted to Islam for fear of their lives. The same is currently happening in the Northeast.

We say NO to conversion by Terror!
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by igwedaboss(m): 10:56am On Sep 16, 2014
Empiree: Sorry, pals. Too late. With or without "secret plan" to islamize Nigeria, God's plan is that His religion, Islam will prevail over all rivals even if unbelievers hate it. God Almighty, (Allah, God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Ismail, Isaac, Jesus and Muhammad) already said in His Book, Qur'an that His Ummah,(Muslim community, regardless of race, nationality or ethnicity), the righteous shall inherit the earth. This statement doesn't mean violently taking over folks especially innocent ones. Rather, it means Islam will eventually prevail by Allah's Divine wisdom. BH are something completely opposite. That's political wing.

As for Christianity in Turkey, believe it or not, that old form of Christianity is not what you Christians practice today. The form of Christianity which Muslims took over was orthodox-like which had its capital in Constantinople, christian Byzantine. The reformed like version of this old Christianity only exist majorly in Eastern Europe and middle east, perhaps. They still abide by old style dressings, and forbid what God forbids. They reject homosexual. That's why Muslims will prefer them to Christian West, which is western Europe and Americas. Africa and Caribbean. Western Christianity which Nigerian Christians embrace is the one that embraces homosexual and all types of vices, yet still claim to believe in Jesus.

So for Op to claim relation with Christian Byzantine Turkey is really a big joke. Their Christianity is different from yours that permits what God forbids in the Bible. Christian Byzantine, now Eastern EU celebrate their Xmas around January 9th but Christian West (including Nigerians) celebrate a commercialized Xmas on the day devil was born.
There are certain truth in what you made mention of about the differences between the Christians from and east and west which are very correct, esp division in the church doctrines and support of what God condemns like homo sexuality in which it is weakening the body if christ. Evangelism is on the low and pursuit for vanity is on the high. Why won't Islam capitalize on it.
But what you failed to mention is that it is through terrorism that Islam dominated the Christians in Turkey which is happening now in most countries the use of force. And because of disjoint among the Christians that's why this is happening. So it is high time everyone wakes up and do the needful.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Nobody: 11:09am On Sep 16, 2014
This's 21st century man! And this's Nigeria, not Turkey.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Nobody: 11:15am On Sep 16, 2014
I see world religion uniting towards Papal primacy, than world islamisation! Though a win for the papal Rome is also a win for Islam
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 11:39am On Sep 16, 2014
igwedaboss:
There are certain truth in what you made mention of about the differences between the Christians from and east and west which are very correct, esp division in the church doctrines and support of what God condemns like homo sexuality in which it is weakening the body if christ. Evangelism is on the low and pursuit for vanity is on the high. Why won't Islam capitalize on it.
But what you failed to mention is that it is through terrorism that Islam dominated the Christians in Turkey which is happening now in most countries the use of force. And because of disjoint among the Christians that's why this is happening. So it is high time everyone wakes up and do the needful.
And is Christianity any better? how was Christianity spread throughout the world especially African and Asia? And slavery is not just about White on Black thing. It's rather force and terrorism. They forced their Christianity and and Jesus, maybe white Jesus down the throat of indigenous people and at the barrels of guns. And then pretend to be "secular". Even in modern day, they still doing the same old christian crusade but now largely turned on Middle East. They hide behind democracy and freedom and destroying people's lives and properties. The fact is they are Christians.

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by tartar9(m): 3:39pm On Sep 16, 2014
Trailblazer1:

My dear, you've made your point. Perhaps, you didn't read my post thoroughly before hastily sharing you part of history.
There has been no islamization devoid of terrorism. Turkey is a case study, where people converted to Islam for fear of their lives. The same is currently happening in the Northeast.

We say NO to conversion by Terror!
and how was turkey converted by terror?
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 4:02pm On Sep 16, 2014
Empiree:
And is Christianity any better? how was Christianity spread throughout the world especially African and Asia? And slavery is not just about White on Black thing. It's rather force and terrorism. They forced their Christianity and and Jesus, maybe white Jesus down the throat of indigenous people and at the barrels of guns. And then pretend to be "secular". Even in modern day, they still doing the same old christian crusade but now largely turned on Middle East. They hide behind democracy and freedom and destroying people's lives and properties. The fact is they are Christians.

The above quote is smeared with falsity.
A false generalization by your kinds that anyone who is not a Muslim must be a Christian. Even the western world who don't give a goof about Christ like the US and even Russia are all labeled christians.
Christianity has never applied use of force in its propagation.

We won't succumb to the use of Terror to intimidate christians in the north to give up their faith.

Every Islamic agenda in Nigeria shall fail.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 4:11pm On Sep 16, 2014
Trailblazer1:

The above quote is smeared with falsity.
A false generalization by your kinds that anyone who is not a Muslim must be a Christian. Even the western world who don't give a goof about Christ like the US and even Russia are all labeled christians.
Christianity has never applied use of force in its propagation.

We won't succumb to the use of Terror to intimidate christians in the north to give up their faith.

Every Islamic agenda in Nigeria shall fail.
Exactly my point. You just proved me right. Is like some muslims but have less than nothing to do with islam yet still claim he or she is muslim. Stop hypocrisy. Do yourself a favor. The 2 countries you mentioned, please get the names of famous politicians among them and google their profiles see what you get. For example, o/ba/ma, pu/tin. and come back here to give me answer
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 5:20pm On Sep 16, 2014
tartar9: and how was turkey converted by terror?

Pls do youself a favour by reading the post before commenting.

The message of the cross of Christ was not forcefully preached with threat and coercion.
As in the city of Ephesus Acts 19:20 "so mightily grew the word of God and prevailed" so it will be in Nigeria soon.
Even the gates of Islam shall not prevail.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by tartar9(m): 8:34pm On Sep 16, 2014
Trailblazer1:

Pls do youself a favour by reading the post before commenting.

The message of the cross of Christ was not forcefully preached with threat and coercion.
As in the city of Ephesus Acts 19:20 "so mightily grew the word of God and prevailed" so it will be in Nigeria soon.
Even the gates of Islam shall not prevail.
yes turkey was conquered by ottoman empire but they mostly converted out of their own free will.there's a difference,these include the middle east and northafrica that where mostly christain.there have never been any government institutionalized forced convertion in islam .
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 9:43pm On Sep 16, 2014
Empiree: Exactly my point. You just proved me right. Is like some muslims but have less than nothing to do with islam yet still claim he or she is muslim. Stop hypocrisy. Do yourself a favor. The 2 countries you mentioned, please get the names of famous politicians among them and google their profiles see what you get. For example, o/ba/ma, pu/tin. and come back here to give me answer

Pls don't derail this thread. Its purpose is not for argument but for information and sensitization on hidden Islamic agenda in Nigeria.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 9:56pm On Sep 16, 2014
Trailblazer1:

Pls don't derail this thread. Its purpose is not for argument but for information and sensitization on hidden Islamic agenda in Nigeria.
ha ha ha you got caught pants down. Okay now. Keep up with your wild propaganda machine since you cant google those two world leaders i mentioned, knowing-fully well they are Christians. Let me help you just in case you too lazy to check google. Wikipedia simple says Obama, religion: Christianity. Wikipedia says Putin, religion: Russian Orthodox. Russian Orthodox means Orthodox Christianity. It means that hullabaloo going on btw Russia and US is Christian nation versus Christian nation. In another word, brothers fighting brothers. But they secularized themselves by taking religion out of public and political ambitions. Therefore it means that if these two christian nations killed people, they would not mention religion. But smart people like me know the real deal.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by igwedaboss(m): 12:47am On Sep 17, 2014
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Empiree:
And is Christianity any better? how was Christianity spread throughout the world especially African and Asia? And slavery is not just about White on Black thing. It's rather force and terrorism. They forced their Christianity and and Jesus, maybe white Jesus down the throat of indigenous people and at the barrels of guns. And then pretend to be "secular". Even in modern day, they still doing the same old christian crusade but now largely turned on Middle East. They hide behind democracy and freedom and destroying people's lives and properties. The fact is they are Christians.
Don't make up stories to find a balance.. Be open minded, never be impartial.. stand for what is right.. at the moment killing innocent life in the name of religion is awful and satanic. May God help us all.. religion causing dark times. all religions are to be blamed..
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 12:52am On Sep 17, 2014
igwedaboss: I Don't make up stories to find a balance.. Be open minded, never be impartial.. stand for what is right.. at the moment killing innocent life in the name of religion is awful and satanic. May God help us all.. religion causing dark times. all religions are to be blamed..
tell that to Op not me
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 8:03am On Sep 17, 2014
igwedaboss: I Don't make up stories to find a balance.. Be open minded, never be impartial.. stand for what is right.. [/b][b][b][/b][b][/b]at the moment killing innocent life in the name of religion is awful and satanic. May God help us all.. religion causing dark times. all religions are to be blamed..

At the moment there is only one religion killing innocent lives in the northeast. Many are also being forced to convert. This is satanic, btw what religion is that?
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by lastmessenger: 8:43am On Sep 17, 2014
Empiree: Sorry, pals. Too late. With or without "secret plan" to islamize Nigeria, God's plan is that His religion, Islam will prevail over all rivals even if unbelievers hate it. God Almighty, (Allah, God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Ismail, Isaac, Jesus and Muhammad) already said in His Book, Qur'an that His Ummah,(Muslim community, regardless of race, nationality or ethnicity), the righteous shall inherit the earth. This statement doesn't mean violently taking over folks especially innocent ones. Rather, it means Islam will eventually prevail by Allah's Divine wisdom. BH are something completely opposite. That's political wing.

As for Christianity in Turkey, believe it or not, that old form of Christianity is not what you Christians practice today. The form of Christianity which Muslims took over was orthodox-like which had its capital in Constantinople, christian Byzantine. The reformed like version of this old Christianity only exist majorly in Eastern Europe and middle east, perhaps. They still abide by old style dressings, and forbid what God forbids. They reject homosexual. That's why Muslims will prefer them to Christian West, which is western Europe and Americas. Africa and Caribbean. Western Christianity which Nigerian Christians embrace is the one that embraces homosexual and all types of vices, yet still claim to believe in Jesus.

So for Op to claim relation with Christian Byzantine Turkey is really a big joke. Their Christianity is different from yours that permits what God forbids in the Bible. Christian Byzantine, now Eastern EU celebrate their Xmas around January 9th but Christian West (including Nigerians) celebrate a commercialized Xmas on the day devil was born.
Your holy book just lied to you.islam can never be the worlds religion and for the Nigerian scene,bokoharam already know their territories and where they can carry out their terror.why is there not bokoharam activities in the west? The simple reason reason is that the Yorubas are enlightened people and have even gone to extent of modifying their own Islamic practices(I heard some of them even play drum in their mosque and worship on Sundays just like christains)
So strip yourself from ego and consider who is control of the world( God) bokoharam will never come down to the eastern Nigeria where I am currently based.if that happens,I then means that there is going to be an endless religious war.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 10:05am On Sep 17, 2014
lastmessenger:
Your holy book just lied to you.islam can never be the worlds religion and for the Nigerian scene,bokoharam already know their territories and where they can carry out their terror.why is there not bokoharam activities in the west? The simple reason reason is that the Yorubas are enlightened people and have even gone to extent of modifying their own Islamic practices(I heard some of them even play drum in their mosque and worship on Sundays just like christains)
So strip yourself from ego and consider who is control of the world( God) bokoharam will never come down to the eastern Nigeria where I am currently based.if that happens,I then means that there is going to be an endless religious war.
Dearly beloved, the purpose of this thread is not to engender war but to sensitize you all of the hidden agenda to islamize Nigeria using terror and politics.

Be on your guard next year.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by igwedaboss(m): 12:12pm On Sep 17, 2014
Trailblazer1:

At the moment there is only one religion killing innocent lives in the northeast. Many are also being forced to convert. This is satanic, btw what religion is that?
lol.. you know, why still asking me. The one question is Islam in the north different from the ones in the south.?
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by lastmessenger: 12:49pm On Sep 17, 2014
Trailblazer1:
Dearly beloved, the purpose of this thread is not to engender war but to sensitize you all of the hidden agenda to islamize Nigeria using terror and politics.

Be on your guard next year.
I know that but am just trying to tell the Muslim man that their agenda to Islamize Nigeria will not work.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Nobody: 2:34pm On Sep 17, 2014
GOD bless you @op!!! As if you know I'm listening to a message close to this. GOD bless you!!! Islam angry is of the devil
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 5:01pm On Sep 17, 2014
Let's spread the awareness to make all their efforts futile.

The church of Christ is marching on and the gate of Islam shall not prevail.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by tartar9(m): 11:06pm On Sep 17, 2014
"He it is Who hath sent His messenger
with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that
He may cause it to prevail over all religion,
however much the idolaters may be averse"(Quran9:33)

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Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Empiree: 12:09am On Sep 18, 2014
Good one up there tartar9. Let them keep dreaming. Dream that will never come true.
Re: A Hard Lesson From Turkey For Nigerians by Trailblazer1(m): 9:18am On Sep 18, 2014
tartar9: "He it is Who hath sent His messenger
with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that
He may cause it to prevail over all religion BY VIOLENCE,
however much the idolaters may be averse"(Quran9:33)

Since you have turned to the religion of truth, why terrorize the people to accept your "truth"?
Your being disillusioned by that quote and the world would soon get over the scourge of Islam.
Nigeria shall soon be liberated.

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