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Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 12:16am On Nov 10, 2008 |
I think I've arrived at the end of it all. I did my entire layout on DIVs without a single table. Believe me, I tested on over 21 browsers and it was perfect. Still maintained the layout without any issues. Will I say goodbye to tables now or what Well, someone else should give it a trial and see how it works. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 5:59am On Nov 10, 2008 |
21 browsers? Hmmmm. Care to them at least 10? Anyways, I am happy you have finally seen the light with respect to "close to 0%" table-less design. Why do I say "close to 0%"? Because you will still need tables for what they were originally intended for - tabular data. Welcome to the club |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 6:39am On Nov 10, 2008 |
Yeah! Don't you know you can view the look of your website in more than 21 browsers? It really possible. I'll send the link later. Need to go to bed now as I've worked all night. I know tables will still be needed for my tabulations anyway |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 9:45am On Nov 10, 2008 |
yawa-ti-de: also interested in them too. OmniPotens: Divs are sweet, Infact they call me the DIVER Though tables will surely be needed for forms. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by basking4me: 10:27am On Nov 10, 2008 |
This browser thing. why isnt there a common platform or regulation to ensure that the sites all look the same. If you use a crazy browser on my site it works fine, the problem I keep having is with mozilla. I am begining to fall inlove with CB. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 12:15pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
You can also try IETester. you know you can bulletproof your website with pure css and make Flash irrelevant with DHTML and Javascript. that does not mean the world's most used browser IE will care about rendering your hardwork the way you want it. so as an added body armour, you can test how it renders with this free tool IETester http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage Info ETester is a free WebBrowser that allows you to have the rendering and javascript engines of IE8 beta 2, IE7 IE 6 and IE5.5 on Vista and XP, as well as the installed IE in the same process. New in v0.2.3 : IE8 beta 2 and Print feature ! Sample Pix |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 12:48pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
Mustay, Actually, I have a table-less solution for your forms - fieldsets Basking, There is a common platform. It's called W3C standards. Unfortunately, not all (and in particular, IE) browsers follow it. If you think it is bad now, I can assure you that it was worse during the dot com boom. Per browsers you love, I think you should actually love mozilla - that follows web standards more closely than the rest. I for one code in mozilla then unit test in IE. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 1:33pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
Hey, here is the link. My phone has rang me up thrice so let put the link here and sleep off again. You can test your website looks in as many browsers as you want. Enjoy! One last thing, forget about tables, just resort to DIVs and you are safe. It gives no shit to whatever browser you are working with. All standards remain loyal to it http://www.browsershots.org/ |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 3:49pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
omni, i knew u were going to go there with respect to browsershots so I already crammed my response in anticipation of it Just get your stuff to work on IE6+ and FF then do a spot check on Safari and you should be good to go. I can tell you from experience that thatz all I do and so far, so good for sites I have worked on. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 5:06pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
tell me about it Yawa. Actually, what I do for neatness is to combine the field sets and tables So you get a layout like this: -------------------------------------------------------------------Fieldset-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [center] table inserted for forms [/center] -------------------------------------------------------------------ends Fieldset-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 5:23pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
yawa-ti-de: This is what I referred to on Page one of this thread. I test first on FF; get happy with it but unfortunately once itz tested on IE, na another readjustment matter. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 5:39pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
@Mustay Have u ever designed forms in table and validated ur XHTML? Do try it (http://validome.org, http://validator.w3.org/) and see you get. For proper form design, you may need to go the fieldset and label way - with CSS to give it the good look. Here is a link to a prototype to give you a quick start: http://woork..com/2008/06/clean-and-pure-css-form-design.html |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 6:13pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
here here kehers, labels and fieldsets all the way. I always float the labels left and put a break after each input field |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 6:48pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
@Yawa Had problems with breaks when validating a mobile site So, I float d label left, set input display to block in Css |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 7:48pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
Just validated one some hours ago |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 9:01pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
kehers, wat else do u expect from a device with very little real estate play with? By the way, mobile devices are supposed to render pages as though you had style sheets turned off. This is where semantic markup comes in as users can see pages, hopefully, arranged such that it makes sense, which is why use of tables for layout isn't good. So I wouldn't worry about the issue. As long as it shows up properly on screen. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 9:07pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
Hey, just woke up now since morning Thanks for all still posting here. Now I really know you do understand the issues behind this browser stuff. Mine is solved. Just make use of DIVs for your layout. As for the form stuff, Mustay, I'll try my stuff just the way you preach here to see what results I get. I'm used to going the Yawa's way. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 9:27pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
@mustay Wats d gist? Does d fieldset/table collabo works - I mean validates? |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 9:46pm On Nov 10, 2008 |
kehers wat do u mean by "validate"? I guess this is where I am lost. If you are asking if your XHTML validates, as long as you are using a maximum of xhtml-transitional as your doctype, I don't see why it wouldn't. If the above isn't wat you mean, pls elaborate. Thanks, |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 3:08am On Nov 11, 2008 |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by chiwaochi: 8:51am On Nov 11, 2008 |
In other to meet our view of 2020 we need to really look into technology, government should work together with the minister of Education to introduce the use of computer from the craddle to higher instituition because it makes work easy, fast and effecient. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 9:09am On Nov 11, 2008 |
@yawa I do love to see/knw how tns go in the strict mode. Just want to knw if dat wil pass d strict mode test @chi~ ?? |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by Mustay(m): 9:39am On Nov 11, 2008 |
"Vision 2020" should start with the visionaries themselves In fact, that's an issue for another day |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 12:13pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
kehers what is tns? chiwa I think for any part of Vision2020 to have any chance of success, we first and foremost need to have 24 hour power supply. Why? Because computers for one run on it |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kausikkumaar: 1:36pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
first I would check in Linux - Firefox, because you can't expect the same fonts available across different platforms |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 1:43pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
@yawa No mind me. Run mostly on phone so I'm used to shortening words. Tns - things |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 4:11pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
From experience, I stay away from strict mode as there is a lot that goes into it. I prefer, and call me a coward, transitional Here are some things you have to look out for in strict mode: 1) Instead of saying, "<input type="checkbox" checked />, you say, "<input type="checkbox" checked="checked" />. Same applies to disabled="disabled" and "selected="selected" 2) I believe, but don't quote me on this, that you can not use tables whatsoever As I said, I prefer transitional. One more thing, just be aware that what we have are standards and not "do this and you will be sentenced to death by firing squad" rules. At the end of the day, it is good you adhere to them. Having said that, you have to weigh ideal vs practical. Thanks, |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 5:01pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
I prefer strict mode. It is a better choice for me. I make use of transitional though not not as often as I use strict. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 5:31pm On Nov 11, 2008 |
Hmmm, this made me remember my over 2 years blog post on my experience with strict and transitional mode: http://allnotes..com/2006/09/standards-and-versions-where-we.html. The strict mode is truly hard. Between me and u, I rarely validate personal sites . But then, you never can tell when it will be needed - public jobs for example. The XHTML MP (Mobile profile - for mobile phones) for example runs in strict mode - and if you are unlucky, it MAY not work if it doesnt validate. Really, once the 5 basic rules are followed, you are on the safe side - Tags Must Be Closed Properly - Tags and Attributes Must Be in Lowercase - Value of Attributes Must Be Enclosed within Quotation Marks - No Attribute Minimization is Allowed - Tags Must Be Nested Properly The only other big part you may have problems with is forms - forms are really a bottleneck. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by kehers(m): 12:48pm On Nov 12, 2008 |
Ran into this a while ago: www.giveupandusetables.com Really funny |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by yawatide(f): 1:48pm On Nov 12, 2008 |
LOL, Yeah, pretty damn funny. The 47 minutes though, hmmmm. |
Re: Websites And Browser Compatibilty Issues by OmniPotens(m): 4:37pm On Nov 12, 2008 |
I've learnt alot from this thread. I never knew it will get very interesting like this. I'm also getting to learn those who really know what they are up to in this section of the forum |
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