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Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:31pm On Oct 11, 2014 |
Goshen360: Just answer the question at hand since you are able to explain scripture by yourself without any help whatsoever |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 12:53am On Oct 19, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: We can merge this thread and the other one together and discuss since they're both related. Same rules apply if you want us discuss and you agree to the terms as stated on the other thread. Goshen360: |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:07am On Oct 19, 2014 |
Goshen360: Since when has discussing topics become a legal contract? It's either you make your contribution if you have any or stay in your newly sniper mode status. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 1:32am On Oct 19, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Coward. ... You can do better than this. Okay. I'll take you up on both threads. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:04pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: It's been almost a month (first page) since you promised to be back. Back to do what, answer the questions or to give lame excuses why you wouldn't or couldn't answer the questions? |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 2:34pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
My answer: The NT, which holds the Christian doctrines does consider many acts as sexual immorality of which pre marital sex is never mentioned and that's what I believe. OLAADEGBU: Again, if you have one single scripture that mentioned premarital sex as fornication, please bring it up now. Else, know that God is bigger than your man made tradition. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:36pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: Can you define what you mean by premarital sex? "But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband" (1 Corinthians 7:2). "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" (Hebrews 13:4). "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor coveteous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). With the verses above, it is clear that any other type of sex outside of marriage is wrong. All premarital, extramarital, homosexual, incestuous, bestiality or any other kind of being sexually immoral will be judged by God. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 5:56pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: As always as you do.....reading INTO THE TEXT. Follow the context please. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:09pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: Answer the question. What is premarital sex? |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 7:03pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: You keep asking same question but on the other hand, quoting scriptures that doesn't mean or say they are premarital sex. I'm more interested in context of those scriptures than your question, does those scriptures say or called or termed fornication as premarital sex? That's what I'm interested in talking and I will get into the contextual meaning of those verses you quoted later. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Numismatic(m): 7:13pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: Premarital sex is it not Sexual? So you need the bible to say premarital sex before you agree that Premarital sex is sexual immorality..na wah, Sexual immorality deals with ALL SEXUAL SINS OR SINS THAT ARE SEXUAL IN NATURE.the scripture is clear about this why the debate? |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 8:23pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Numismatic: I don't know where you are coming from but let's discuss scriptures, not traditions of men of what you've been taught and you never questioned anything. We've discussed this subject in the past but Ola is just bringing it up again. Please, produce scriptures that says premarital sex is fornication. Or we look at scriptures concerning fornication and see if they were referring to premarital sex. When I argue this topic, people with sin conscious mind concludes, I'm endorsing immoral living but what I'm doing is, proving all things we're taught true or traditions. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Numismatic(m): 9:01pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: Very funny, You dont know where am coming from..what were you thought? I asked you a simple question, Is Premarital S.ex not immoral? What then does your bible say? try and define fornication, both the english and greek definition..and please enough of this online Spiritual muscle flexing..You dont know where am coming from indeed.. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:50pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: I keep asking the same question because have not answered any. The title of this thread is "What is considered sexually immoral?" You keep going round in circles asserting that "premarital sex is not fornication." Define what you mean by premarital sex if you believe it is not considered to be sexually immoral. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:54pm On Oct 20, 2014 |
Goshen360: Where have you discussed this subject with me? All I remember you doing is prevaricating, beating around the bush and going round in circles instead of hitting the nail on the head. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 12:13am On Oct 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Numismatic: Okay. Let's get into it. Premarital sex. When I have someone I love, committed to and want to marry or have planned to marry after a considerable time of courtship or getting to know each other compatibility, if we have sex and keep to each other, that's not what the bible called fornication. Religion called it fornication but the bible doesn't call it fornication. What does the bible called fornication? Many ACTS such as sex OUT SIDE AN ALREADY EXISTING MARRIAGE, is fornication, sex with animals is fornication, man to man or woman to woman, incent, whor.ing, prostitut.ion, idolatry etc are ACTS considered fornication but no where was premarital sex with someone I want to marry considered fornication. Again, if ANYONE of you have text saying premarital sex ACT is fornication, bring it on. BUT I WILL STILL ADDRESS SCRIPTURES OLAADEGBU quoted IN CONTEXT SO WE CAN BE CLEAR ON THE DISCUSSION. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 5:30am On Oct 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Goshen360: Also, I have talked a lot on the other thread similar to this: https://www.nairaland.com/1958523/what-does-bible-say-sex Now, let's discuss the verses you quoted: 1. 1 Corinthians 7:2 The above I discussed here: https://www.nairaland.com/1958523/what-does-bible-say-sex 2. Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" (Hebrews 13:4). Think about it a second and read again. Someone who is NOT married can be a WHO.RE likewise someone who IS married can be a who.re. Same goes for adultery as stated by Christ. One can be single and commit adultery...... King James Bible And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. So we understand adultery is not just what people says it is but marrying someone who wasn't put away for the right cause. Alright! This verse, Hebrews 13:4 is addressing Who.res and adulterers AS IT RELATES TO THOSE IN MARRIAGE......that is, those going outside their EXISTING MARRIAGE to sleep around....these are who.resmongers. They defile their marriage bed. Hence, the mention of MARRIAGE IS HONOURABLE!!! Scripture is clear!!! It didn't say COURTSHIP is honourable even though it's foundation towards marriage, it says MARRIAGE. Ask yourself, what is MARRIAGE? Is it the same as courtship? 3. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor coveteous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). I stand by the this verse as inspired by the Holy Spirit but let's stop reading into the text. I believe SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD as related to the mentioned acts BUT what is fornication? We have been using scriptures to expound on that.....having illicit sex OUTSIDE OF ONE'S MARRIAGE AFTER ONE IS MARRIED....is part of what fornication is and who is\are a fornicator(s) that this verse talked about? We can't just read into the text and say this is what it means or that's what it means. We have Greek and Hebrew meaning from which our English translation came from and that's what tells us the original meanings not we reading into the text. Now, who is a fornicator? First, I opned the verse here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Co&c=6&t=KJV&ss=1#s=1068009 with the Greek coding #s. The Greek word is pornos and it means: a man who prostit.utes his body to another's lust for hire a male prosti.tute a man who indulges in unlawful sex.ual inter.course, a fornicator From the Greek Lexicon here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4205&t=KJV AND what is fornication? It is the Greek word porneia and it means: illicit sex.ual inter.course adultery, fornication, homo.sexu.ality, les.bianism, inter.course with animals etc. sex.ual inter.course with close relatives; Lev. 18 sex.ual inter.course with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12 metaph. the worship of idols of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols So, we see the ACTS contained in the sin of fornication. These are what it says and we should stay with the above mentioned not expanding them to what they don't mean. All through scriptures AS FORNICATION IS USED IN CONTEXT, one of the above ACTS are what you will see OCCURING AS IN THE CASE OF CORINTHIAN CHURCH or other places fornication was used. Religion had lied to us long enough and we're breaking away from religion unto the truth of the glorious gospel of Christ. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Numismatic(m): 6:40am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Goshen360:wow..this is really an eye opener into your person, so you can comfortably have se.x with someone you plan to marry and who you love without and to you that is not pre marital..pre marital means what? Before marriage right? You are still committed, what if you don't marry eventually? And that you are commited to that person does it mean God already sees or approves of your relationship?And which sexual relation did the bible concur except se.x between married couples? May God have mercy on you for truly you are in error and even Peter when he was in error was Opposed to his face by Paul.. You never quoted any bible passage to prove your point all you said were your own understandings...You think you can explain away your living in sin with your girl friend or a person you intend to marry? Having head knowledge of the bible will never take you to heaven but the right application..All you do here is raise controversies but I ask, how many people in nairaland have been born again by you? Talking about tithe, Abram gave his tithe to The king of Salem without the law, which means it wasn't obligatory, but can you explain why it had to be melchizedek? A priest of the most high who was a similtude of Jesus? Was that an isolated incident? As much as I don't believe in obligatory tithe,but you that claims to know all should encourage believers who feel the have to pay their tithe to do so, but not mandatory or in fulfilment of the law but as an act of giving unto the lord..in the last days bible says that many shall give in to seducing spirits..remove pride from your heart mr goshen, and repent.. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Goshen360(m): 6:55am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Numismatic: All I see above is emotions!!! If there's anything I said unscriptural, I have made reference(s) to the other thread, feel free to discuss SCRIPTURES.....in context, not emotions. I'm not moved by that. 2. My works by God's grace follow me and not you to count my rewards. I don't need you to validate people who have come to Christ by the word I teach. You think it's up to me to make people come to Christ? We only speak\teach the word, it is the Spirit that convict the world of sin. 3. This is not a tithe thread. I'm sick and tired of that even though I'm not giving up combating the falsehood of tithe fraud. 4. Again, if there's any scripture talking about the sin of fornication....let's look at it in context, not following religion. I'm going to sleep now. I will be back later!!! |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Numismatic(m): 8:25am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Goshen360: Okay, continue spreading your nicolatian doctrine, but what i know is that judgement has been set..show me any place in the bible that okays sex between people that are in Lust and are commited to each other? I cor 7 vs 8-9, paul said if u cannot control themselves or their sexual urge should marry instead of burning with sexual lust.therefore marriage is the only institution that God recoganises, bible says marriage is Honorable, the world says ,oh,we are love, we want to marry, so its no sin, and u a supposed christain says same..because the bible didnt say sex between two single people is wrong, thus its right..go ahead to use scripture to justify ur sins..did bible name masturbation as sin? What about substance abuse? So any sin not mentioned in the bible is no Sin! And please take ur time to explain what i said about Abram giving tithe to The king of Salem..I can have Sex with any lady i want and say Oh, we are in love and committed to each other, then unto the next one, thereby i can do that with as many people as i want..what great logic.. http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/fornication.html |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Nobody: 11:04am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Bidam:Paul had made it clear that it is GOOD for a man NOT to marry( 1 cor 7:2). isn't correct apostle Paul said "but since there's so much immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman Her own husband. so if you're burning in desire, marry secondly the Catholic church are right on rev fr and sis. read Matthew 19:11-12. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
asuustrike1:So can you provide an answer for the phedophile and gay spirits that has ravaged the catholic church in recent times? Even peter who was called a pope by the catholics was a married man. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by Numismatic(m): 3:47pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
As you’ve discovered, it’s easy for critics and skeptics to argue that the Bible has nothing to say about pre- marital sex. That’s because they’re usually looking for negative statements. They want a “condemnation” or a “thou shalt not.” But the Bible expresses its perspective primarily in positive terms. “Have you not read,” says Jesus, “that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matthew 19:4-5; quoting from Genesis 1:27, 2:24). In this passage Scripture clearly states that sex is for marriage and marriage is for sex. Exclusively. That’s because sex is not just a matter of casual recreation. It’s not just a pleasurable way of expressing mutual love. It’s a question of two people becoming one flesh. This fits in perfectly with the apostle Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 6:16: “Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, ‘The two will become one flesh.’“ The same concept underlies Jesus’ unbending position on divorce: “Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate” (Matthew 19:6). It’s also implied in the commandment against adultery (Exodus 20:14). In the biblical view, adultery includes any sexual activity carried on outside the bonds of committed marriage. This is why the writer to the Hebrews tells us that “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral” (Hebrews 13:4). This teaching explains Joseph’s certain expectation that Mary would be “exposed to public disgrace” when it was discovered that she had become pregnant “before they came together” in marriage. We should add that God wants us to reserve sex for marriage not because it’s “bad” or “dirty,” but precisely because it’s such a unique, exclusive, and wonderful thing. Sex is a holy mystery. It’s a powerful bonding agent that shapes and affects the relationship between a man and a woman as nothing else can. To take it outside of marriage is like taking the wine consecrated for Holy Communion and using it for a frat house drinking party. This is why the writers of Scripture so often compare idolatry to the sin of fornication or adultery. It also explains why they use sexual purity and faithfulness between spouses as an image of our relationship with God (as, e.g., in Song of Solomon, the Book of Hosea, and the 16th chapter of Ezekiel) Something similar can be said about Mary and Joseph. “Betrothals” in ancient Judaism were not like modern “engagements.” A betrothal did stipulate that the couple refrain from sexual contact until after the wedding ceremony. But aside from this, the relationship it established was every bit as binding and permanent as what we normally think of as “marriage.” This explains why it would have required something like a legal “divorce” for Joseph to break off his agreement with Mary and her family (remember, “he was minded to put her away secretly,” [Matthew 1:19] when he learned that she was “with child” prior to their “coming together” [Matthew 1:18].. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:27pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Goshen360: Where is this supported in Scriptures? Goshen360: Are you saying sex before marriage is alright but sex after marriage is forbidden? Even sex between those engaged to be married is considered to be sexually immoral how much more of those who are yet to be engaged? Goshen360: It is all over the Scriptures that fornication is sexually immoral but you will not see it just as the thief would not see the law enforcer until he gets nabbed. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:37pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Goshen360: As much as I do not want to get sucked into your semantics, I will cite one of the definitions of your choice dictionaries. a man who indulges in unlawful sex.ual inter.course, a fornicator Tell me why a man engaging in sex with a woman he is not legally married to not termed as fornication? |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:41pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Numismatic: Let's hope he takes heed to your candid advice and repents and that's if it's not too late. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:47pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Numismatic: The doctrines of the Nicolatian resurfacing with Goshen, he's been at it since signing up to NL and we are here to put a cog in his wheel. |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:12pm On Aug 03, 2015 |
Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:38pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
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Re: What Is Considered Sexually Immoral? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:42pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
What is sexual immorality/ What is considered sexual immoral and why is it sexual immorality if we are in love? |
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