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Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by dein77(m): 2:33pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Good afternoon all. Lately, I became a bit curious about the issue of tithe in the dispensation of GRACE. I understand grace doesn't give the license to continue practising sin. I know many Christians have some issues with tithe. I'm currently a tithe, but I find it rather strange that neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor Apostle Paul emphasised tither in the New Testament. Whence cometh the idea of tithe? I want to know. I have no plans to discontinue tithing, but in this age and time, wemust serve God with uunderstanding. Awaiting your lovely inputs. God bless us all. 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 2:42pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
#singing If you are new in the game ,make you go pay your tithe. #singing If you are old in the game ,you no go pay your tithe. 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 2:50pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
I think NL should restrict the use of the quote button. Na u first comment you still dey quote am, haba OP carry your money chop joor, if you insist though, you can give it to Charity (my lil sis) 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 2:54pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
dein77: Good afternoon all. OP, I have quite a lot that I can say to you on the above subject but I want to know if you will be willing to enter a discussion on it. I don't do hit and run discusses. Also, I do not tithe and rather than try to convince to do as I do, I will rather want to bring you to some understanding on grace. Are you willing to enter this discuss? 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 3:06pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
BlackStallion: I think NL should restrict the use of the quote button. Na u first comment you still dey quote am, habaYour mind don cool now abi ? |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 3:22pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:Hahahahaha!! Guy lemmie alone oo, before I call the MoG Lyk say my mind bin dey hot b4 |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by dein77(m): 4:39pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Trust me; I'm willing. Go on, please. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 5:01pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
BlackStallion:See your long tie like seat belt...lols. Oga sire,abeg no call the doggy MoGs oh. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 5:15pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
dein77: Thank you. Let me say upfront that the questions or requests are not meant to be leading but to birth understanding. Also, there is no question I ask you I do not have an answer for. If I feel your answers are not adequate enough, I will give my answers and then we will compare notes. OK? Your OP reflects someone with some grasp of the gospel of grace. You tithe but you are beginning to question whether tithe and the grace doctrine are compatible according to scriptures. If this reflects your thought pattern, please share with me/us what you understand by grace or the whole gospel of grace the NT teaches. If it doesn't reflect your thoughts, correct my perception and go ahead and still give an explanation to my request on your understanding on grace. Please, lets ensure the discuss proceeds through today bc I cannot assure you of my availability tomorrow. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by dein77(m): 5:40pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Grace or the entire Gospel can't be rendered thorough justice in an online forum as this. The entire Gospel is about a Person, Jesus Christ. I have recently disillusioned a little with with the issue especially with the attention granted it. The tithe was instituted in the LAW era. God had chosen the Levites for Himself, and asked the other eleven tribes to give a tenth of their profits to the Levites. My case is I found it somehow strange that Christ never actually directly or indirectly spoke about the topic. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 5:56pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
dein77: Your answer is in your last paragraph. Forbear with me as I prepare a text on how grace came with Jesus Christ and ended all devotion to the law, including that of tithing. Following that presentation, I request you ask me all the questions you want on the matter of tithing. Again, the very fact that tithe was hardly mentioned in the lives of Christ and his apostles is a leading reason why no one should tithe today Stay tuned. .. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 6:22pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:yee, dis guy don finish person papa! chai!! My son must not see dis insult oo, make e no go tie rope. 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 6:31pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
JESUS, TITHE AND GRACE John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. It is actually erroneous to limit tithing to the era of Moses and Christ alone. Apparently, the tithe predates Moses with Abram tithing in Genesis 14. We also see Jacob promising to tithe in Genesis 28. However by the time of Moses, the tithe became law in Leviticus 27:30-33; and other supporting scriptures like Numbers 18, Deuteronomy 14 and 26 and finally Malachi 3. Jesus mentions tithing in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 8:42. The tithe was no longer mentioned again until Hebrew 7, for reason I hope to mention later. The above scripture speaks of the law given through Moses but grace coming through Jesus. It showed to us that God in his wisdom has permitted two dispensation in his dealings with humanity. The first under Moses, the old covenant; the second under Christ, the new. Both of them have a few similarities but their distinctions are clear to all. The law, Paul said, was a school master to prepare us for the time of grace. So like it is for children going to school, the law dictated what and what we should do. Grace, under the other hand, permitted an infilling of the Spirit to direct the Christian. So rather than following prescribed laws, the Christians is led of the Spirit, following laws in his heart. The giving of the Spirit is an aspect of grace. But grace itself is God doing it all and men coming into a done work. If any man will do anything in grace, it will not be to aid God or make him do things, but it will be in response to God's manifold grace. The distinction BTW the old and the new was also a matter of contention in the NT. Therefore there were debates on circumcision, sabbath, new moon, Moses laws in general, etc. The overwhelming testimony of scripture was that Christians were not to keep Moses laws anymore. This is the reason there is no account of any Christian tithing in the NT. But the devil never relents. His strategy from the beginning had been to confuse the old with the new convenants. In Christ time, the contention was sabbath. In Paul time the confusion was circumcision. In our time, it is tithing. So we have those who tell us that we should not tithe after Moses but after Abraham. They tell us that the NT reiterated Abraham's tithing by teaching it in Hebrew 7. But a careful study study of Hebrew 7 showed that tithing was not taught there as a Christian duty, but in a descriptive manner to enunciate the greatness of Christ priesthood. Christ priesthood was likened to Melchizedek's. The Hebrew knew only one priesthood, Aaron. But the writer wants his readers to know that Abraham tithing to Melchizedek and receiving a blessing from him, showed that Melchizedek was greater than Abraham and thus greater than Aaron, therefore Christ was greater than Aaron. So follow Christ. In conclusion, no one is obligated to tithe today as clearly seen in the NT where no Christian tithed; rather people gave willingly. Tithing has been bastardized by a false church and turned to a means of making money. I welcome your questions now. 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 6:41pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
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Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 8:48pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
BlackStallion:You funny oh ! You don pay your tithe this week so ? or are you old in the game ? |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 9:05pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 9:05pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:Lol. Omo I don port join OP church oo, we nor dey pay tithe |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 10:40pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
BlackStallion:I don port tey tey. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 10:45pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:May God have mercy on you oo No be where pastor dey work e suppose chop? |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 9:11am On Oct 02, 2014 |
BlackStallion: You think being a pastor is by paper qualification and going to a bible college huh ? Being a pastor is a gift by Christ's work not the bible college work. Eph_4:8-12. I didn't make them pastors...tithes moreover were primarily for the Levites and secondarily for the poor,needy,orphan and widows... If your pastor is a Levite,just let me know so that I can go give him my tithe. The so called pentecostal tithers are all guilty of not paying the tithe of anything that passes under the rod,the tithe of the land etc. They are busy tithing money in hypocrisy with no clue of money being tithed in the bible(OT) Many tithing Christians know only Malachi3:8-10 as the only verse in the bible as regarding to tithe...why ? They're being deceived. #Lastbullet : bring all the tithes into my store belly !!! 2 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 9:27am On Oct 02, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:Actually I'm a levite myself, my dad is jewish (though I'm the assistant pastor). So pls feel free to do as the spirit leads by giving me your tithes, offering, seed, and even first fruit sef, I go collect. #TeamOle# 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 12:18pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
BlackStallion: Lols...no Levite go wear that kind of your tie. #TeamCatchOle 2 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by edekoln: 2:19pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
Tithe is one of the mosaic laws. According to gal 5:4,If you are paying tithe, you are trying to keep the law. Anyone who does that has fallen from grace. I doubt if you are still a christian when you have fallen from grace which comes thru christ. The law that came thru moses requires the you keep all 600 or more mosaic laws orguilty of all if you break anyone of them. How many of these laws do christians know and keep and how can keeping only one, the law of tithe make you guiltless? 3 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by unmasking(m): 2:25pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
Once,I used to be angry if one is still indulging in sins ! But wen I got d revelation of Christ Jesus 2wards sinners,I started loving them WHILE been very careful wit them. Follow this link http:///F4jGcj to read. As us read,I pray d Almighty God opens ur eyes in d name of our Lord Jesus Christ. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Alwaystrue(f): 7:35pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
dein77: Good afternoon all. Hello OP, Curiousity helps us to better learn and understand and know more about the word of God. The thirst is very important. Grace helps us to be what God originally intended for us to be: Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. SO when we come to Christ we just allow Him to do what He has already done, through us. Many things were not emphasized in the New Testament that Christ gave except for us to hear him and abide in Him. Every other thing falls into place. Not more are you told what to do like a kid but you are expected like a responsible adult to know what to do in love. That was basically what all the old laws were hinged on. Christ simply gave us the big picture rather than the bits and pieces which the OT laws were trying to piece together. Both Jesus and Apostle Paul spoke about Tithe actually. They spoke about offering and other things as well. Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone I Corinthians 9:9-14 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? 12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. Christ had every opportunity to cancel tithe in the first verse but instead he even added other things to be done. The very first tither gave his tithe for the service of God through a priest, when God gave the command to dedicate the tithe it was to those who ministered at the temple for the service they serve, when Jesus gave the word to tithe he stated that it should be done with proper understanding and when Apostle Paul spoke about the way ministers of old lived of the things of temple and altar it was also obvious what he was talking about. When you have love, you would know that those who teach you in the word should be partakers of all goods things (Galatians 6:6). Paul said those taught in the word should share with their teacher in all good things not even some. Complete understanding of the old testament and new testament helps us to rightly divide. The premise is what is the essence, when you understand that then you know why you do what you do. In the this period of the fulness of grace we enjoy in Christ, nothing is a must because Christ expects we do all things in love and not by force. That is why many things Christ told us was more of what we ought to/should do and not necessarily what we must do. This topic has been over-flogged on this forum, if you search well enough you would see many posts and debates on it infact. You would get a better and balanced view therefore. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 7:42pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist: Lols...no Levite go wear that kind of your tie.Hahahahaha!! I go commot dis tie nau, use am whip you like horse. How ministry, you don reach permanent site? |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by WinsomeX: 8:23pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
Very well put Alwaystrue but I hope you won't mind my subjecting your presentation to the light of God's word. It's our duty to do seeing that as Berean Christian we must do this; and the other reason is this scripture in Acts 15: Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. This will not be the first question on theological issues in Christendom and we should never fear such questions deteriorating to "no small dissension and disputation". Unfortunately, we no longer have apostles in Jerusalem to take our questions to for resolving but we have the scriptures. My next post here will be a careful analysis of some of your points. The OP is a tither. I do not necessarily wish to change him to an antitither. I however owe him information. If after he has that information, he wishes to continue tithing, I wish him all the best. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by asalimpo(m): 8:24pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
Jesus spoke about tithe ,in passing ,when upbraiding the pharisees. Matth 23 v 23. In the end he said " these things ought ye to do .... " what things? Tithing! So bro , Jesus aint on ur side wen pocketg that dough! 1 Like |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by asalimpo(m): 8:33pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
What's the motive behind questions like these? Na.ked greed and selfishness. There's no basis for it. If in d old and inferior testament God's people paid ten percent how much ought God's people to pay in a new and better covenant , not instituted on the blood of rams and goats? Think! Drop tht dough with gladness and stop tryg to hold back. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 8:52pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
BlackStallion:Hmmm...(breathing...) |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Nobody: 9:20pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
TheIndustrialist:Easy oo. |
Re: Tithe In The New Testament Era Of Grace. by Alwaystrue(f): 9:31pm On Oct 02, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Very well put Alwaystrue but I hope you won't mind my subjecting your presentation to the light of God's word. It's our duty to do seeing that as Berean Christian we must do this; and the other reason is this scripture in Acts 15: Thanks. However, I would advise you remain on your course based on your earlier post of bringing the OP to an understanding of grace rather than trying to 'subject my presentation to the light of God's word' like my above post is not already riddled with it and I basically summarised each in my own statements. I hope you know Jesus is Himself the Word of God. Deciding to focus on my posts and doing a 'careful analysis of some of my points' looks like you are trying to enter some form of elimination contest. However, if you seem to have something to latch unto, please go ahead to enlighten the OP. Hmmmmn, has the person behind this monnikker had a discuss with me before? |
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