rationalmind: Muslims never see these things in the quran until science finds it.

The moment science reaches a conclusive answer on the origin of life from non-life forms, muslims will be the first to see dig out verses from the quran that predicted it 1400 years ago.

One wonders why scientists never turn to the quran for research despite all the ground breaking scientific prophecies imbibed in the Quran.

Rilwayne001: History of the universe is divided into three distinct phases: the start, the expansion, and the end. The Quran deals with these phases in astounding descriptions. The Quran refers to the start of the Big Bang in two short Ayat, presenting an accurate summary to the conditions that led to creating the universe:

Surah 21, Ayah 30 "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before We clove them asunder?"

Surah 41, Ayah 11 "Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke."

In the first Ayah, Allah declares clearly that the universe (the skies and the earth) was joined together, and then Allah caused it to explode.

rationalmind: Muslims never see these things in the quran until science finds it.

The moment science reaches a conclusive answer on the origin of life from non-life forms, muslims will be the first to see dig out verses from the quran that predicted it 1400 years ago.

One wonders why scientists never turn to the quran for research despite all the ground breaking scientific prophecies imbibed in the Quran.

Rilwayne001:
Surah 21, Ayah 30 "...the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before We clove them asunder?"

iamodenigbo1: op where are thou?

Rilwayne001:

Here i am

Rilwayne001: History of the universe is divided into three distinct phases: the start, the expansion, and the end. The Quran deals with these phases in astounding descriptions. The Quran refers to the start of the Big Bang in two short Ayat, presenting an accurate summary to the conditions that led to creating the universe:

Surah 21, Ayah 30 "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before We clove them asunder?"

Surah 41, Ayah 11 "Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke."

In the first Ayah, Allah declares clearly that the universe (the skies and the earth) was joined together, and then Allah caused it to explode. There is a very important choice of words in the original Arabic text whose translation is given above. The Arabic word ratq translated as "joined together" means "mixed in each, blended" in Arabic dictionaries. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole. The
phrase "We clove them asunder " is the verb fataqa in Arabic and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of ratq. In this Ayah, skies and earth are at first subject to the status of ratq and then they exploded. Intriguingly, cosmologists speak of a "cosmic egg" that consisted of all the matter in the universe prior to the Big Bang. In other words, all the heavens and earth were included in this egg in a condition of ratq. This cosmic egg exploded violently causing its matter to fataqa and in the process created the structure of the whole universe.

The accuracy of the Arabic words of such divine description of starting the universe is well beyond comprehension. A cosmic fact was revealed to an unlettered Arab that took humanity one thousand and four hundred years to discover. This Ayah addresses the unbelievers with an overwhelming challenge. No one can claim that Muhammad had knowledge of spectroscopic observations or he had instruments to measure cosmic background radiation. Also, he was not a genius mathematician. This Ayah, as with many of the scientific miracles in the Quran, addresses the unbelievers in a strong challenge. If they could not use their inherent intuition to figure out the existence and the uniqueness of One Creator,then they can listen to an unlettered Arab explaining the creation of the universe.

In the second Ayah, Allah describes the sky, after the explosion, as a smoke, not a cloud or fog, but smoke. To emphasize the importance of the smoke, the title of this Surah is "The Smoke." In the past, cosmologists used to describe the gaseous state of the young universe as a cloud or fog. Only recently, has the word "smoke" been coined, because it is closely descriptive of the initial gaseous state. The definition of smoke is a suspension of particles in a hot gaseous medium. This is truly the perfection of the Quran in choosing the closest words to describe an event. The word smoke could indicate that just after the Big Bang, the formation of planets and stars took different directions from the start. Planets were formed from the suspended particles of the smoke, while the stars were formed from the hot gases. This is quite possible since the structure of stars is different from that of the planets. The sun for example consists of 73.5 percent hydrogen and 25 percent helium. These gases were formed in the first few minutes after the Big Bang, and the rest of which is the product of the nuclear reactions in the sun. There are also traces of heavier atoms such as oxygen, carbon, iron, magnesium and so on. None of these traces of elements account for even 1 percent of the weight of the sun. On the other hand, the earth is made up of over a hundred elements with a nickel-iron core. Oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon and other elements that exist in earth and its atmosphere were all united as compound particles that existed in the original phase of the smoke. When the earth changed from the smoke phase to liquid phase during the cooling process of the universe, the compound particles reserved their composition in a melted state, and inert gases escaped from the earth. The atmosphere with its water vapor was formed from the gases produced during the cooling process of the Earth’s crust. The earlier assumption that the Earth evolved from the sun is no longer accepted.

[/quote]Allah again challenges the unbelievers by adding some details to the creation sequence as follows:

Surah 41, Ayah 9-12 "Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein its sustenance in four days, alike for (all) who ask. Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: come ye together,willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come together in willing obedience. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command."

mazaje:

This just exposes the koran as a fake book of lies. . .If you know anything about big bang cosmology then you'll know it doesn't come close to any of the nonse written inside the koran, the apologist whose work you posted here is simply lying as usual, that is what apologist do, they take vague verses and then use the science we know to build many thing on them. . .Firstly the big bang does not say the earth and the universe were together at any time. . .the koran claims that the heavens and the earth were joined together. . .In fact the earth came in existence about 8 billion years after the big bang, so clearly the koran has it wrong. . . ..The apologist liar who wrote that piece doesn't even know what he is saying. . .



This is no scientific miracle but just a vague verse that muslim apologist who are mostly liars and revisionist use to delude themselves and others. . .



More lies and revision. . Firstly everything written here is the apologist opinion and does not appear in the koran, the word hydrogen does not appear in the koran. . .You just took a verse, no presiding verse and no verse after it, and claimed it was talking about the big bang. . why do you guys lie so much. . .If the Koran talk about the big bang then you should expect scientist to run to the Koran as a guide, no scientist even a crazy one even considers the koran to be a book that is of any use to the scientific process, it remains a book of mythology. . .Do the writers of the Koran know anything about what the apologist wrote above?. . .If they did all the thing would have been written inside the koran. . .Which sky is the writer talking about?. . .

Allah again challenges the unbelievers by adding some details to the creation sequence as follows:

Surah 41, Ayah 9-12 "Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein its sustenance in four days, alike for (all) who ask. Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: come ye together,willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come together in willing obedience. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command."

Here is the verse the apologist used to build straw man after straw man in context and the verse does not even come close to what he is saying even according to the koran. . he was just telling lies as usual. . .The verse was talking about the sky of the erath, but your writer tried to use it to mean the entire universe, why do muslim apologist lie so much?. . .The koran is not a scientific book but a book of arabic mythology, stop forcing modern science into it because you will always been shown to be lying. . .

macof: muslims trying to reconcile with science

But the OP only proves that the Quran is bullpoo

Earth and heaven joined together - the Quran.doesn't make it clear what this means, whether it's symbolism or literal.

planet Earth is over 8billion years away from the proposed start of the universe
If heaven is taken as the realm from which the bang finds it's source...heaven and earth can't be said to have been joined together, since it took earth billions of years to appear

Maybe the op should go back to his Quran and ask Allah questions

macof: muslims trying to reconcile with science

But the OP only proves that the Quran is bullpoo

Earth and heaven joined together - the Quran.doesn't make it clear what this means, whether it's symbolism or literal.

planet Earth is over 8billion years away from the proposed start of the universe
If heaven is taken as the realm from which the bang finds it's source...heaven and earth can't be said to have been joined together, since it took earth billions of years to appear

Maybe the op should go back to his Quran and ask Allah questions

scosco1: Hmmmmm

true2god: These are great Islamic scientists and psychologists, insha alahu, Islamic scientists will rule the world.

Afterall it was Islamic scientists, using the koran, that discoverd the computer system, the railway system, the aviation tech, the automobile, the internet, etc.

peteregwu:


Ebi like say na true oooo.....

peteregwu:


Ebi like say na true oooo.....

Samunique:
Nna, u people no go kill person with laff o!!!!

See the way true2god put muslims on gear five, i saw rilwayne001 almost dancing around his room when he read true2god post.

Muslims with quranic wahala!!!!

true2god:
Ya, internet and ex-muslims (who are vast in islamic theology in raw arabic language) have help alot in decoding otherwise 'encrypted' writings in the koran. Information technology is not a friend to Islam because their history and falsehood are easily exposed, hence most Islamic countries are censoring internet access to their teemingly youthful population.

The days of ignorance of Islamic polito-religios ideology is almost gone with this age of enlightenment.

true2god:
These are great Islamic scientists and psychologists, insha alahu, Islamic scientists will rule the world.

Afterall it was Islamic scientists, using the koran, that discoverd the computer system, the railway system, the aviation tech, the automobile, the internet, etc.

Samunique:
Nna, u people no go kill person with laff o!!!!

See the way true2god put muslims on gear five, i saw rilwayne001 almost dancing around his room when he read true2god post.

Muslims with quranic wahala!!!!

true2god:
Computers and aeroplanes are scientific miracles in the quran, the islamic 'scholars' are still doing research about it.

peteregwu:


Nna my brother na so me self see the thing. I no no say Muslims self get great undisputable scientist wet no get rival. Any where wey Muslims go, dem go shit, com leave am dere make another person come park am. Which kine thing be that. And there shit they cause too much wahala. From there dem go run go another country go cause another wahala. Na waoo....I don tire for them.

true2god:
Ya, internet and ex-muslims (who are vast in islamic theology in raw arabic language) have help alot in decoding otherwise 'encrypted' writings in the koran. Information technology is not a friend to Islam because their history and falsehood are easily exposed, hence most Islamic countries are censoring internet access to their teemingly youthful population.

The days of ignorance of Islamic polito-religios ideology is almost gone with this age of enlightenment.