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Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mmsen: 9:48am On Oct 18, 2014 |
The character of the Catholic church is to be found in its past deeds - the abuse, misinformation and avarice are its true nature. There is no clean slate - accountability means making amends for past misdeeds. The Catholic Church has been so powerful that they have deemed it unnecessary. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by Nobody: 10:08am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge: hian...she said the members don't make up the church Issokay...I'm indifferent about the church, the members and their doctrines. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by Nobody: 10:11am On Oct 18, 2014 |
SalC:you're right especially that word "hail Mary " ,angel Michael pray for us where in reality they don't 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 10:13am On Oct 18, 2014 |
Kachisbarbie: Lmao I Seriously don't get her point when She made that comment but it's all good I'm indifferent and I guess that doesn't mean I hate anybody. Every abo•ki with em own kettle 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by Nobody: 10:19am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:I get her pt sha, I think she meant members come and go, but the church eternally remains. Religion is one thing that everyone can't agree on, especially this 'catholic topic'. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by Nobody: 10:23am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:God is not against be very father or sisters. As a matter of fact it isn't a must that You marry afterall marriage isn't in heaven. apostle Paul admonish us to marry especially when we lust after sex |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 10:59am On Oct 18, 2014 |
asuustrike1: Marriage is not in heaven? Y did God ordained it? Lust after sex? My dear don't even go there cos I know a number of Reverend Fathers that straf, So make we just shun that side Btw Am not against Catholics and their believe Or doctrine |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by Tallesty1(m): 11:04am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:One of them staffed my crush. Had I the guts, I would have killed him. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 11:13am On Oct 18, 2014 |
Tallesty1: Lmao Tallest you are funny I swear But Seriously it's no Jokes.Currently there's this girl that stopped talking to me because I told her that It's a Curse to sleep with an anointed man of God. She's one of d group leaders in church they call Region of Mary(Don't know much about the group shaa ) 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mesoade(m): 11:20am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:reverend fathers straff?! HOLY POO! |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mesoade(m): 11:22am On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:once the reverend father had lust after her,he's lost his anointing . . |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by asalimpo(m): 11:26am On Oct 18, 2014 |
evablisse: distortion and perversion of the truth as contained in the scripture. #you shud b able to deduce what i meant-instead of interprete it literally. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by evablisse(f): 11:58am On Oct 18, 2014 |
asalimpo:Don't confuse yourself with what you read. Oppositions against the catholic church didn't start today. It was there even in your past generations. They'll ensure that they totally stagnate your mind. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by evablisse(f): 12:13pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:Then you're wrong, when you talk about the church, you talk about its heads, the doctrines and its members. You can't refer to a member of catholic church as 'catholic church' |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by evablisse(f): 12:26pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
Tallesty1:Is there a church with no sex scandal? Can you swear for anyone? We don't go to church to worship humans. We're in a sinful world where noone is a saint except a few that we don't even know. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Rev Fathers are sworn to celibacy just to avoid distractions in doing the work of God but unavoidably, we're all humans. That's why there's a special prayer made for them. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 1:16pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
evablisse: The heads,the doctrines and It's members u said? This is hilarious Because I didn't itemize it the way u just did? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mmsen: 1:23pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
evablisse: Your claim that people do not go to church to worship people is untrue. That is why some churches thrive why others do not - the individuals. People go to see a show, to be entertained, to be captivated. They don't want truth, honesty or integrity- if that was what they were looking for they would not be in a building drawn to someone in a brand new suit and expensive shoes with an expensive car outside. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 2:55pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:Well i may or may not know how to rephrase but no one who wallows in sin will enter purgatory but hell, that's not what the church teaches and its rather foolhardy for one to believe that he can wallow in sin and go to purgatory. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 2:56pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
asuustrike1:Umm voicemail |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mesoade(m): 3:02pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
SalC:explain me purgatory |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 3:18pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
priscaoge:Actually Jesus clearly made us understand there is no marriage in heaven in Matt 22:23-30. Concentrate more on verse 30. God ordained marriage for some people on earth, not even for everyone. And oh some Rev Frs do indulge in sexual sin? YES they do, likewise some married pastors. It is wrong in its entirety but yes both do it anyway. Some priest broke their vow of celibacy while pastors broke their vow of fidelity. So yeah its out there in every church and we can't deny that. We should all pray for them, they also need God's grace to refrain from defiling themselves and concentrate more on God's work. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 3:35pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:Really? |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mesoade(m): 3:42pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
SalC:yea,he has to fast and pray again,for the lord's forgiveness,hence,being re-annointed |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by evablisse(f): 4:15pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
SalC:If you are or were a catholic, you'll know that there's what we call mortal and venial sin. Mortal sins are great sin that can't be overlooked. A venial sinner can be forgiven after he or she must have received some punishments and is truly remorseful. |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 4:18pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. 1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.. CCC 1030 and 1031(paraphrased) Now you can see that purgatory isn't for those who wallow in sin as many erroneously believe. And why is this so? The scriptures says Nothing impure will enter the kingdom, not even one who told a lie, Rev 21:27 Yet the scripture again admonished us to pray for those whose sin does not lead to death "If you see a brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God, who will give them life. This applies to those whose sin do not lead to death, but there is a sin which leads to death and I do not say that you should pray to God about that . All wrongdoing is sin, but there's a sin that does not lead to death. 1John 5:16-17 Now there is some things worth noting If we look at Heb 9;27 it says "Everyone must die once and after that, be judged by God. This verse made us understand that we all must die both the righteous and the sinner. If it is appointed unto man once to die, why then is 1john talking about sin that lead to death and the one that does not as if only grave sinners are the ones to die? The only viable answer here is that 1john isn't talking about this physical death which is meant for all, but the second death which Rev 20:14-15 described as the lake of fire. If we now understood that death in this context refers to the lake of fire, it becomes easy to understand that that verse is saying there are sins that does not lead to hell and we should pray for those whose sin does not lead to hell. Another interesting thing to note there is the saying " you should pray to God to give them LIFE, for those whose sin does not lead to DEATH" isn't it surprising to hear that one whose sin does not lead to death in otherwords one whose sin does not lead to death also has no life? And we need to pray for them to have life(eternal life).? So that state in which one's sin does not lead to death and yet this same person needs us to pray to God to give him life is the purgation state, the state of being purified by God to have life is what we call Purgatory. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by mesoade(m): 4:23pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
SalC:my point is,purgation is fallacy,it dosnt exist |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by evablisse(f): 4:30pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:What really exists? |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 4:32pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
evablisse:My dear I know of mortal and venial sin infact they are the sin that lead to death and the one that does not respectively, 1John 5:16-17 made it even clearer. And anyone "who deliberately live (wallow) in sin is actually committing a mortal sin, because it is deliberate, persistent and that makes it a grave matter. Btw am inviting you to the Catholic thread https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 4:36pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:Our mindset here or thought isn't a determiner of what is or is not. Scripture abounds which talked about purgation 1 Cor 3:13-15 is one of such scriptures. You asked me to explain purgatory and I have done that, not to convince you but to explain what I believe. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by SalC: 4:46pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
mesoade:I don't know where you got this from, I know of forgiveness but re-annointing? Is there a thing like that? |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 4:51pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
Tallesty1: You just nailed it. Like I said earlier, no one hates Catholic but their doctrine etc! They might disagree with ur faith to some extent Which I see as a normal thing but that isn't hate. Am not a Roman Catholic So I don't see any reason why I should hate them because am not a member. I love the way u made ur points 1 Like |
Re: Why Do People Hate Catholic Church So Much? by priscaoge(f): 5:00pm On Oct 18, 2014 |
evablisse: Yeaaaaa thanks for mentioning that Sin aspect,I was about asking Tallesty1 to explain it to me Can u Please mention those mortal and venial sins for me If u can be kind enough to give me a Bible reference concerning them,I will be glad Tallesty1 u are needed too |
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