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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:32pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Gombs You can see defense mechanism all the way. Even when advised: "Don't study them in defense mode, seek the truth out of them." Humility will make it possible to learn, arrogance and defiance will make it impossible. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:40pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks: Bro, tithe in it self means a tenth. Malachi was directed to 22% ers? Really? What is it? A high school subject? Dear Lord Jesus! Who/what is a spiritual father? A pastor, your shepherd.
No time for frivolities bro. I probably tithed first when you were still in your diapers. Been there,done that. You on the other hand know only CE truth Your opinion is noted. Please take time and go through them in your own time. Of course it is embarassing to admit to your fellow CE guys here that you have a crisis of conscience. It definetly helps to parade your solidarity with Oyaks to your pals. I understand that perfectly No thanks! trustman: Trustman, you have sought my attention and it's becoming worrisome. Ok, let's demonstrate humility here, was circumcision as you said for ISRAEL AND ISRAEL only? Was that notion correct? If yes, how? If no, were you humble enough to admit? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by christemmbassey(m): 1:47pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Gombs:tithe wey u dey calculate no be ppl salaries? Don't worry, another small pikin go insult u back. Sowing and reaping no be d scam wey una de do for church o(collecting ppl's money) d insult wey u dey do now, u go reap. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by christemmbassey(m): 1:58pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
trustman:truth. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Kenny4lyfe(m): 2:01pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Goshen360: What exactly is confusing you in the post you quoted above? Only a biblically-brain-dead religious fellow will get confused at this teaching by @joagbaje 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 2:03pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
christemmbassey: Your opinion is duly noted |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:21pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
A Jehovah's Witness will not hesitate showering you with Awake,Watchtower and even a copy of the New World Translation. That's spiritual food served at the right time from the 'faithful servant' Watchtower Society. They would never touch Rhapsodies with a ten foot pole....that's apostate literature. Ask paulgrundy. Sit under him and learn a thing or two about indoctrination Reversed roles here Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 2:23pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: There are better and more important need to know than half truths and trip questions. There remains NO benefit from not tithing. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:28pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
There remains NO benefit from not circumcising. Reductio ad Absurdum Image123: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 3:32pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks:In other words, you agree with what I stated. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:39pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
IF you are continuing tithing because there are NO benefits for not doing so, you may as well throw in a bunch of other stuff..circumcision,Feasts,Sabbath.....Freewill animal offerings......it is absurd and I'd be shocked if it hit you Image123: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 4:07pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Kenny4lyfe: Obviously, dumb double standard hero worshippers will never see what's hidden in that teaching. I'm not confused, I only see through some bullshit that some people serve to us. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 4:44pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks: There remains NO benefit from not tithing, simple yes or no. No need throwing tantrums over simple straight and basic questions. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 4:53pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
You never asked a question There remains NO benefit from not circumcising,keeping Feasts and so forth. Why stop at tithes, go the whole mile Image123: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 6:16pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: So many words, nothing said. Meanwhile, I am here laughing at the Palongo dancers. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 6:17pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Goshen360: Like Circumcision is for ISRAEL AND ONLY ISRAEL. Hahahahaha. Miss me with the BS. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:39pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mbaemeka: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 6:43pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
mbaemeka: The circumcision that was done IN THE FLESH was completely dismissed in the NT. It means something different to us in the NT. We can't over emphasize this point. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 7:07pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks: When Peter preached at Cornelius' home and the Holy Spirit fell on the people, was that a confirmation by God of Peter's message of salvation? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:19pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Sure nlMediator: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 8:44pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks: Good. But when Peter preached that same period and thousands came out for salvation, it was not God confirming Peter's message? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 9:23pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
vooks: The question was "In other words, you agree with what I stated." A straight yes or no would have been an appropriate reply instead of the tantrum you threw. The exchange between me and Gnoni was TITHE, stay focused or go wash your face. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:28pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Goshen360: Absolutely! My position also. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Kenny4lyfe(m): 9:53pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Goshen360: And that'll be? I laugh at your ignorance! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 9:59pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Kenny4lyfe: Na you dey that picture? You dey laugh here but you dey bone-face like that? Abeg, rejoice joor. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 11:11pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Goshen360: ^^Total rubbish- provide one verse that says so. Circumcision was not completely dismissed by anybody. It was dismissed as a condition for being saved. The same way someone is not saved because they observed the 10 Commandments the way they would have been in the OT. That's the same way I am allowed to tithe without feeling it makes me righteous. However, the blessing of tithing is still intact as is the blessing of everything pre-law and in-law. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 12:44am On Nov 28, 2014 |
mbaemeka:We can't over emphasize this point. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 2:09am On Nov 28, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Why have you decided to rush in to type like Bidam. That's why he also came, rush and clicked like for you and quoted you, talking rubbish too, Bidam: Both of you can't even understand simple logic. The circumcision you both referring to is IN THE FLESH. That phrase often go along natural circumcision and I made it clear that most of us, Gentiles was circumcised IN THE FLESH of our foreskin in about 8 days or so depending on culture while some even in adult are still not circumcised BEFORE we come to Christ. When Paul said the Law is spiritual, he knows what he was saying by the Spirit in the sense that, those it was given to are so spiritually blind that they can't see beyond the spiritual truth contained therein which is all wrapped "in Christ". They held unto the dos, donts, regulations, commandments and rituals without understand what the Spirit was saying. Today, by the Apostolic revelations, we understand what's behind circumcision: New International Version In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, New Living Translation When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. The above verse completely dismiss circumcision IN THE FLESH, MADE BY HANDS....which was what I referred to here: Goshen360:...Why does it mean something different to us in the NT? Our fleshly circumcision was already done to us when we're new born babies and that's not a subject of condition for salvation in the first place, because it is irrelevant to when we came to Christ. mbaemeka:...AND interpreted by Apostolic revelation to mean, what is not done by a physical procedure by hands BUT the cutting away of your sinful nature done by Christ. mbaemeka: Does Bidam & other Law keepers agree with you in this one also? As for me, I completely agree with you on this one. mbaemeka: ...without feeling it makes you rich, blessed and without making you feel the windows of heaven will be opened to pour out blessings that there will be no room to contain it and finally, without making you feeling devourer is rebuked because you tithe. ***edited*** mbaemeka: This is the crux of the tithe matter: It is always attached to one blessings or the other. This is where you people failed completely in tithe argument. The pre-law tithing after the order of Abraham wasn't done FOR ABRAHAM TO BE BLESSED AND HE WASN'T EVEN EXPECTING ANY BLESSINGS AS YOU CAN READ, HE RETURNED THE OTHER STUFFS TO THE KING and he was blessed before the tithe to Melchi. Where do you people get your example of "pre-law blessing of tithing" from? 2. The blessings of tithing in the law? Don't even go there. I have asked Bidam in the past and will ask you too. Do you think God is a liar that he's not obligated to keep His word if truly He promised He will pour you out blessings that there will be no room to contain it? Ever since you people have been tithing and expecting the "blessings of tithing in the law", have you experience such a blessings that there will be no room to contain it? You people should be distributing blessings by now if truly there's no room to contain that kind of blessings promised by God. I challenge you to produce the evidence of blessings of tithing in the law that in your house, there's truly no room to contain such blessings. In a simple statement: There's no (special) blessings in tithing than it is in giving. I and many around the world don't tithe but a giver and I'm blessed greatly. You don't want me boast do you? 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 4:06am On Nov 28, 2014 |
No. Coming to Christ is not confirmation of nothing, just stated as a matter of fact nlMediator: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:51am On Nov 28, 2014 |
mbaemeka: They still cannot comprehend this... no mind trustman and humility trash..he's yet to see my post to him. In acts 15, the apostles listed some of Moses' law that should be observed by the Gentiles, I now asked them, weremthe apostles mistaken to know the Law has been totally abolished? 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:27am On Nov 28, 2014 |
My broda, But circumcision was NEVER retained for ANY reason. Acts 15 Council did more than clarify that circumcision was not necessary for salvation; it was dismissed altogether as a burden. Proof of this is, Paul ONLY circumcised to avoid the bugging unbelieveing Jews. If there was ANY benefit ( which you can't name but Gombs calls 'identifying with the covenant' but can't substantiate) Paul would have circumcised more readily than only when pressured by non-believers. So circumcision among Gentiles was not a noble practice abused like spiritual gifts in Corinth,for which proper use needed emphasis, it was an unnecessary BURDEN Galatians 2:3 (ESV) 3 But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. Acts 16:3 (ESV) 3 Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek Why would Paul stay with an uncircumcised Gentile Timothy UNTIL he visits Jerusalem? Why couldn't he circumcise him earlier? Because circumcision was totally useless and irrelevant for a Christian. In Jerusalem, his haterz,nitpickers would not have hesitated to remind everyone that he hang around uncircumcised Gentiles. So he just went along, made a concession for peace sake Note Titus remained uncircumcised mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:52am On Nov 28, 2014 |
vooks: I doubt the above cancelled. Paul was a staunch Jew (He gave his CV too), infact, he was so jew that he had to do much to come minister to them, even after Jesus clearly stated his ministry was to the Gentiles. He obviously was already circumcised. I think you meant He circumcised Timothy because he was under pressure from the jews. I hope you can see you're wrong and take corrrection? Timothy, was half greek and half Jew, though the apostles resolution was that circumcision should not be a basis for being saved. He yeah, bowed to pressure of the Jews and circumvented the resolution. He circumcised Timothy who was a new convert, just to please the Jews who were taught one has to be circumcised before saved. Later, there was another instance where Paul did his best to conform to Jewish practices. When he got to Jerusalem the local church expressed its concern:' … it is said that you teach all the Jews in the gentile world to turn their backs on Moses, telling them to give up circumcising their children and following our way of life. What is the position then?' (Acts 21: 21-22, New English Bible) Christian leaders in Jerusalem, knew that this idea was extremely controversial, and called on Paul for guidance. Paul did not answer their question directly. He affirmed that he instructed gentile converts to abstain from fornication and a few other rules. [size=20pt]He said that he followed the law. [/size] However, nothing is recorded as directly refuting the charge that he had been advising Jews to turn their backs on Moses and to stop circumcising their children. In any case, the whole point was lost in an enormous melee that resulted in Paul being arrested at Jerusalem and finally sent to Rome. Paul's actions about circumcision in Acts are noticeably different from the thoughts he expressed in his letters. Some of this may be due to the fact that he was dealing with Jews in Acts whereas in his letters he was writing to Gentiles. Another difference is that Acts writes about his actions whereas in his letters, Paul is writing for himself. However, there does appear to be a development of his thought on the subject. When his letters are examined in the order in which they appear in the New Testament, his attitude to circumcision as a requisite for salvation becomes steadily more hostile. I just saw the Galatians part you added, what Paul was saying there was that after meeting with leaders in Jerusalem, they were in agreement with what he taught, and did not force him to get Titus circumcised. What we are saying here is, circumcision WAS NOT a basis for being saved. Titus was saved, and he was not circumcised, unlike how the Jews wanted it - one has to be circumcised else, no salvation. He buttressed this fact here [NLT] Galatians 5:2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you. Thanks |
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