Rilwayne001:
@ tonybosses

Let us wait for the rest especially those people i mentioned

tonybosses:
Answers

1) Yes it was said my John, inspired by the holy spirit

Rilwayne001:
John 3 v 16: For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him will not persih but have everlasting life

QUESTIONS

1. Is the above statement spoken by John or God?

2. Is Jesus really the only begotten son of God?

3. Was Jesus 'begotten' or 'made' by God?

Thank you

cc: Francistony, malvisguy212, An2select, BosstTdiamond, Religionsection aka Ajibam and Co.

NOTE: There should be no derailing

AlBaqir:


@bold, How are you sure of that even every tom, dick and harry claim that to justify their wording?

Rilwayne001:
John 3 v 16: For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him will not persih but have everlasting life

QUESTIONS

1. Is the above statement spoken by John or God?

2. Is Jesus really the only begotten son of God?

3. Was Jesus 'begotten' or 'made' by God?

Thank you

tonybosses:
Answers
1) Yes it was said my John, inspired by the holy spirit

malvisguy212:
all scripture was giving by the inspiration of God

FrancisTony:

It was spoken by God but written by John through the inspiration of God the Holy spirit.

tonybosses:
2) Yes he was, but after the death and and rising to new life we became joint heirs there by making you sons and daughter of God.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is the FIRST BEGOTTEN son of God

FrancisTony:

Yes. He's the only begotten son of God.

tonybosses:

3) In my opinion Jesus want 'made' because in the recorded of creation it wasn't recorded

malvisguy212:
Jesus was not made by God,the bible say he is the Fullnest of God.For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. ( Colossians 1:16)

FrancisTony:

Jesus was begotten not made.
Adam and Eve was made and we were begotten from Adam and Eve.
Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God.

BossTtdiamonds:



By this' I can infer that you got this off the King James Version (KJV), and from your perspective of the word “begotten”you're implyin' that God had a consort for the birth of Jesus.
You first must understand how these Bible translation of a thin' works. Most modern translations do not use the word “begotten” rather the phrase “unique” or “only” Son.
We can see actually that you're not interested in understanding the meaning of the verse but only in abusing the formulation in [size=15pt] an outdated translation [/size] for tirade purposes.
Whether you choose to twist or intentionally condemn the word, you should understand that the Greek text has not changed, nor been corrupted as most Islamist claim, but our understanding of the words have been further deepened and clarified.

Rilwayne001:
Ok, it good that 3 attemp arrived this evening, lets get down to business.

Note: No derailing

1) First of all the word of John can never supercede that of Jesus and God for if we are to go deep into this, you will come into the conclusion that John and other disciples were mere man who are bound to make mistakes, John should not be the one to teach such a powerful teaching that has to do the the bedrock of xtianity when jesus was actually around to do that.

How about about this, their are contradictions and errors in the bible (both NT and OT) **care to know? ask me** is the holyspirit the one inspiring that too?

2) Why is it that it is only in the books of John (NT) we are having the word 'only begotten son'?

Thanks for the response(s). We all know that if a son happens to be the only begotten son, it means that he is the first and last born and no other child from his parents. If that should be the case and Jesus is the only begotten son, please explain the verses below:

Exodus 4 v 22: And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, Israel is my first-born son.

Psalm 2 v 7: The Lord hath said unto me, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jeremiah 31 v 9: ,,, for I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my first born.

I don't get you here sir, can you please reframe your reply

No paul please.
Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'

Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'
And let us not forget that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and you know mary was made too

Rilwayne001:


The bolded got me laffing out loud

BossTtdiamonds:
The statement was spoken by God the son (Jesus) in reply to Nicodemus, you can read the precept to understand more John ch 3 vs 9.
(John ch 3 vs 9-10) in verse 10, it starts with "Jesus answered and said unto him....." So here we can affirm it's Jesus speakin. The last words of Jesus ended in verse 21 of the same verse where he stated "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God"

Rilwayne001:
Ok, it good that 3 attemp arrived this evening, lets get down to business.

Note: No derailing








1) First of all the word of John can never supercede that of Jesus and God for if we are to go deep into this, you will come into the conclusion that John and other disciples were mere man who are bound to make mistakes, John should not be the one to teach such a powerful teaching that has to do the the bedrock of xtianity when jesus was actually around to do that.

How about about this, their are contradictions and errors in the bible (both NT and OT) **care to know? ask me** is the holyspirit the one inspiring that too?

2) Why is it that it is only in the books of John (NT) we are having the word 'only begotten son'?





Thanks for the response(s). We all know that if a son happens to be the only begotten son, it means that he is the first and last born and no other child from his parents. If that should be the case and Jesus is the only begotten son, please explain the verses below:

Exodus 4 v 22: And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, Israel is my first-born son.

Psalm 2 v 7: The Lord hath said unto me, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jeremiah 31 v 9: ,,, for I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my first born.





I don't get you here sir, can you please reframe your reply



No paul please.

Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'



Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'

And let us not forget that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and you know mary was made too

malvisguy212:
God revealed himself in many ways to his author .Direct Voice - God spoke in an audible voice
to some of them, telling them what to write
down. ( Exodus 33:1)
Direct Writing - God visibly wrote certain of
the truths Himself. (Exodus 31:18)
Dreams - God used the dreams of men as a
channel through which He revealed prophetic
truths. ( Daniel 2:1-49)
Men - The personal experiences and spiritual
lives of individuals were used by God. (Psalm
51)
Natural World - The universe, which God
created, declares Him. (Psalm 19:1 and
Romans 1:19-23)
Historic Events - God used the events of men
to reveal His will (the Old Testament Books of
Genesis and Esther).
Holy Spirit - The Spirit of God guided men as
they penned His words (2 Peter 1:21)

2.
Yes. Israel is my son—Compare Hosea 11:1. This
tender relation, now first revealed, is not a mere
metaphor, meaning “as dear to me as a son,” but a
reality. The Israel of God enjoys the sonship of
adoption by being taken into the True Son,

BossTtdiamonds:

[s] Scr€w PublicschoolTrollin' huh...If you feel there's a flaw inv my statement, point it out and stop actin' like a poltroon..Your garble ain't havin' no effect.. Act logical for once. [/s]

Rilwayne001:
1) First of all the word of John can never supercede that of Jesus and God for if we are to go deep into this, you will come into the conclusion that John and other disciples were mere man who are bound to make mistakes, John should not be the one to teach such a powerful teaching that has to do the the bedrock of xtianity when jesus was actually around to do that.

How about about this, their are contradictions and errors in the bible (both NT and OT) **care to know? ask me** is the holyspirit the one inspiring that too?

2) Why is it that it is only in the books of John (NT) we are having the word 'only begotten son'?

Thanks for the response(s). We all know that if a son happens to be the only begotten son, it means that he is the first and last born and no other child from his parents. If that should be the case and Jesus is the only begotten son, please explain the verses below:

Exodus 4 v 22: And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, Israel is my first-born son.

Psalm 2 v 7: The Lord hath said unto me, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jeremiah 31 v 9: ,,, for I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my first born.

Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'

And let us not forget that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and you know mary was made too

Rilwayne001:


Jesus was the one speaking in verse eleven (11) too?

Joh 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen , but still you people do not accept our testimony .
* Notice the "we"
* Notice the
"we speak what we know"
"what we have seen
"Our testimony"
Jesus still talking is'nt it

Further reading of the verse.

John 3:24 (This was before John was put in prison.)

The alleged writer^^ before he was put in prison..Lol

Joh 3:25 An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing. 26 They came to John and said to him,[size=15pt] "Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan-- the one you testified about --well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him [/size] ."
Will continue from here tommorow

FrancisTony:

I don't understand all these^^^ gibberish you just typed because it has been explained to previously.
I told you that John got his inspiration from God the holyspirit.
2Tim 3:16 says that, "All the scriptures is inspired by God".
Stop being adamant and elongating an argument. Smh
Peter whom Jesus handed over his Church never rejected the four Gospels.
There's no contradictions in the bible. It only appears to a lay man like you who read by bible with prejudice instead of open-mindness.
During my few days of being a deist, I actually explored and learnt a lot about Christianity/Bible contradictions.
Quote what other authors wrote for me to compare.
You're mis-interpretting what the only begotten son mean.
Being the only begotten son doesn't mean he's the only first and last son.
It means he's the only son who was begotten but not made.
1) Psalm- It's pretty obvious it wasn't spoken in a literal way.
By the way, we were begotten by our parents not by God.
2) I have explained this one.
Begotten should mean someone who was procreated.
Adam and Eve was made not begotten.
A Woman can never begot a son or daughter but Man does.
Holyspirit blew wind into her and she became pregnant. Holyspirit is another spirit form of God the father.
Holy Spirit who is God the father, begot Jesus not Mary.

Rilwayne001:


My dear friend malvisguy212, you are sighted. Thanks for your contribution, you can now go

Rilwayne001:


Is it now a sin to laugh mr. pusillanimous

BossTtdiamonds:

You have acted silly again, I specifically told you in my previous post that Jesus started speakin' from verse 10 and stopped at verse 21, and you're talkin' of verse 23, this shows that you either did not read what I had posted earlier or you lack basic cognitive and deductive skills. Public school did have lots of negative effects on your person.

malvisguy212:
before I go,is israel not a nation ?why did God called it 'my first born' ?how does it sound to you? Israel is the first son of God,God uses israel to reach out to the rest of the world,but jesus is the begotten Son of God(human form)
John 17:15.
Parallel Verses
New International Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with
the glory I had with you before the world began.

malvisguy212:
before I go,is israel not a nation ?why did God called it 'my first born' ?how does it sound to you? Israel is the first son of God,God uses israel to reach out to the rest of the world,but jesus is the begotten Son of God(human form)
John 17:15.
Parallel Verses
New International Version
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with
the glory I had with you before the world began.

Rilwayne001:
John 3 v 16: For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him will not persih but have everlasting life

QUESTIONS

1. Is the above statement spoken by John or God?

2. Is Jesus really the only begotten son of God?

3. Was Jesus 'begotten' or 'made' by God?

Thank you

cc: Francistony, malvisguy212, An2select, BosstTdiamond, Religionsection aka Ajibam and Co.

NOTE: There should be no derailing

BossTtdiamonds:


Malvisguy.. Just leave tis' guy with me.. Him don enter am... He has shot himself in the leg..and I'm goin' to make sure his heart stops too.. So we can finally bury his sinful body and ressurect him in Christ..

JesusisLord85:



https://www.nairaland.com/1891372/god-loved-world-casting-down

Rilwayne001:


You are the one acting silly sir

Again: Joh 3:25 An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing. 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan-- the one you testified about --well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him ."

Please address the underlined if you are not silly

Meaning either himself, and John the Baptist his forerunner, who preached the same doctrine of regeneration, internal sanctification, and evangelical repentance, as well as outward reformation, as necessary to entrance into the kingdom of heaven, or the Gospel dispensation, he declared was just at hand

Rilwayne001:
Ok, it good that 3 attemp arrived this evening, lets get down to business.

Note: No derailing








1) First of all the word of John can never supercede that of Jesus and God for if we are to go deep into this, you will come into the conclusion that John and other disciples were mere man who are bound to make mistakes, John should not be the one to teach such a powerful teaching that has to do the the bedrock of xtianity when jesus was actually around to do that.

How about about this, their are contradictions and errors in the bible (both NT and OT) **care to know? ask me** is the holyspirit the one inspiring that too?

2) Why is it that it is only in the books of John (NT) we are having the word 'only begotten son'?





Thanks for the response(s). We all know that if a son happens to be the only begotten son, it means that he is the first and last born and no other child from his parents. If that should be the case and Jesus is the only begotten son, please explain the verses below:

Exodus 4 v 22: And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord, Israel is my first-born son.

Psalm 2 v 7: The Lord hath said unto me, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jeremiah 31 v 9: ,,, for I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my first born.





I don't get you here sir, can you please reframe your reply



No paul please.

Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'



Please can you throw more light on the word 'begotten'

And let us not forget that Mary gave birth to Jesus, and you know mary was made too

AlBaqir:


@bold, How are you sure of that even every tom, dick and harry claim that to justify their wording?

BossTtdiamonds:


Oh! God. I doubt if you passed through the walls of a University..you're probably one of those half baked polytechnic graudates...

First, why didn't you continue with the KJV, why'd you switch.. Oh! i forgot its context suit your purpose no longer innit..??

Oh! My God.. You don't know the difference between John the Disciple of Jesus and John the Baptist innit? ...John ch 3 Verse 24 clarify's tis' and it places this event in the days before John the Baptist was cast into prison by Herod, at the urging of Herodias his illegal married wife. John had rebuked Herod for taking her to be his wife, she being the wife of Herod's brother Philip. Herodias in time would get her revenge in having John beheaded.
John ch 3 vs 24 reads "For John was not yet cast into prison"..
Here's the premise, it's from my last message..the one you didn't read, or you probably didn't understand
Tis' was cut from my last quote..
We all know John the Baptist was the forerunner of Christ and he did testify of the comin' of Christ...