*Kails*:


again, those who cant swim do not have interest or have a natural fear of water (deep end).
it has nothing to do with slavery.

its the same in africa. I can guarantee you most continental africans cannot swim or do not have interest.

what kind of flawed logic that? oh "their ancestors have been swimming for centuries but they can't so its bc of slavery"? gtfoh

http://mnatjegs..com/2012/07/80-of-nigerians-cannot-swim.html

ezeagu:

I can't think of any other reason why people who live near the sea or some other bodies of water are not mostly able to swim. If you look at ancestry as well, you'd find that it was the riverine areas that many of the people taken as slaves were captured from, the same area the site claimed 63% could swim. There has always been attitudes in societies as a result of the past. An example can be seen in Sicily where people are very family orientated because of the distrust caused by centuries of invasions, and so on.

I'm not implying that people in the Caribbean look at water and start running because they remember slavery, no, it's more of something passed down like 'don't go near the sea where you can be recaptured and taken off to another island' or if they were stopped from swimming for obvious reasons and this passed along and just stuck. But I find it to be too much of a coincidence that all the descendants of enslaved Africans have this problem, from an island with surrounded by beach, to a city built on a swamp in front of a gulf.

ezeagu:

I can't think of any other reason why people who live near the sea or some other bodies of water are not mostly able to swim. If you look at ancestry as well, you'd find that it was the riverine areas that many of the people taken as slaves were captured from, the same area the site claimed 63% could swim. There has always been attitudes in societies as a result of the past. An example can be seen in Sicily where people are very family orientated because of the distrust caused by centuries of invasions, and so on.

I'm not implying that people in the Caribbean look at water and start running because they remember slavery, no, it's more of something passed down like 'don't go near the sea where you can be recaptured and taken off to another island' or if they were stopped from swimming for obvious reasons and this passed along and just stuck. But I find it to be too much of a coincidence that all the descendants of enslaved Africans have this problem, from an island with surrounded by beach, to a city built on a swamp in front of a gulf.

somalia5:


dont go near water or i will enslave u mrsdarksin, i will make u my sexxxx slave

This phenomenon is not only African American. Believe it or not, we have the same problem in the Caribbean. Although we are surrounded by sea, many children of African descent in the Caribbean just cannot swim. There is some initiative lately, especially in Antigua and Barbuda, but it is not ingrained in black culture.

Ernest Merrill, Antigua and Barbuda

I agree with Ernest's comment above. It is a Caribbean and African problem too - I am in Barbados and many of the blacks on the island (including myself) like to be where our feet can touch the ground. While I can do most strokes, I have a fear of being really far out - this is something I have tried working on with many swimming classes but I haven't gotten there yet - I will not give up, I'm not yet 30 and I don't think you are ever too old to learn. I noted the same phenomena in West Africa when I was there earlier this year, all the people swimming in the ocean were the white tourists and visitors, the blacks stayed close to the shore, and one of my friends noted it is the same in East Africa - while the comments noted above issues such as segregation etc. I am really fascinated about this widespread trend across the globe amongst blacks. I jokingly tell my friends our fear of the ocean is ingrained in the "boat trip" our ancestors faced during the slave trade. I am not one to harp on slavery and its impacts but I honestly really wonder sometimes.

Liesl Harewood, Barbados

nyameke: ^^^^ Cmon son I know you're intelligent so don't disappoint me. The Harewood guy acknowledged that the problem seems not to be just not an African American or Caribbean thing but Africans as well. He even cited his observations and experiences in west Africa and east Africa to back up his postulations however true or not..

So
1. if the assertion, based on observations from blacks in the diaspora is that , blacks in Africa seems to have the same problem
2. The enslaved diasporian blacks came from blacks in Africa
3. Blacks in Africa were not enslaved or forced to cross the ocean

Therefore its safe to say in this case that it is a " black" problem and not just diasporians. So then why the infatuation with linking the problem to slavery ? .. the guy you quoted from even said he jokingly attributes it slavery. Yet instead of dwelling on the main message he was making which is; its a " black" problem, you rather for whatever reason dwelled on his mundane point connecting it to slavery. Which was a joke to begin with..

nyameke: ^^^^ Cmon son I know you're intelligent so don't disappoint me. The Harewood guy acknowledged that the problem seems not to be just not an African American or Caribbean thing but Africans as well. He even cited his observations and experiences in west Africa and east Africa to back up his postulations however true or not..

So
1. if the assertion, based on observations from blacks in the diaspora is that , blacks in Africa seems to have the same problem
2. The enslaved diasporian blacks came from blacks in Africa
3. Blacks in Africa were not enslaved or forced to cross the ocean

Therefore its safe to say in this case that it is a " black" problem and not just diasporians. So then why the infatuation with linking the problem to slavery ? .. the guy you quoted from even said he jokingly attributes it slavery. Yet instead of dwelling on the main message he was making which is; its a " black" problem, you rather for whatever reason dwelled on his mundane point connecting it to slavery. Which was a joke to begin with..

*Kails*:




[size=38pt]op just got SLAYED!!!!!![/size]

*Kails*:
i have beef with you.

we're not friends anymore!

somalia5:


u have beef for me. i have a big susage for u.

come on boo boo...smile for me

somalia5:


somali people dont have problems swimming.

nyameke: lol of course not we all know 90 percent of somalians are pirates...

On a serious note no one is saying all black people can't swim though ..

*Kails*:
oh ok.

nyameke: ^^^^ Cmon son I know you're intelligent so don't disappoint me. The Harewood guy acknowledged that the problem seems not to be just not an African American or Caribbean thing but Africans as well. He even cited his observations and experiences in west Africa and east Africa to back up his postulations however true or not..

So
1. if the assertion, based on observations from blacks in the diaspora is that , blacks in Africa seems to have the same problem
2. The enslaved diasporian blacks came from blacks in Africa
3. Blacks in Africa were not enslaved or forced to cross the ocean

Therefore its safe to say in this case that it is a " black" problem and not just diasporians. So then why the infatuation with linking the problem to slavery ? .. the guy you quoted from even said he jokingly attributes it slavery. Yet instead of dwelling on the main message he was making which is; its a " black" problem, you rather for whatever reason dwelled on his mundane point connecting it to slavery. Which was a joke to begin with..

*Kails*:




[size=38pt]op just got SLAYED!!!!!![/size]

ezeagu:

You helped the thread by bringing in info about the amount of riverine people that could swim which showed that this was not a 'Black-African' problem.

nyameke: Lol didn't even realize the thread was resurrected from the dead..

Btw I understand where you coming from and your " wondering" but the point is [size=18pt]linking the problem to slavery is preposterous ..[/size]

ezeagu:

You helped the thread by bringing in info about the amount of riverine people that could swim which showed that this was not a 'Black-African' problem.

nyameke: how is it not a black African problem.. Even if those statistics are true because I doubt the 63 percentage ..

What's the culture and occupation of these Africans that live on these riverbanks.. how important is the rivers to their livelihood and survival.

Also how many people in the Caribbean live on river banks and have their livelihood /occupation and survival tied to the water.

Been surrounded by the sea does not guarantee that you will know how to swim.. if you have a lifestyle where you're doing 9- 5 and a culture where the people don't really care much about water. They are not going to go that much near the water to swim..

Lagos is pretty much surrounded by water and the sea but I can assure you that the majority of the people do not know how to swim.. They are out there rather hustling to get a living than worry about going for a swim ..

*Kails*:
[size=38pt]op just got SLAYED!!!!!![/size]

*Kails*:
^^^
not trying to put you on blast,
but i feel like i know you..
is this your only id?

*Kails*:


lol as a caribbean i am bewildered, shocked, amazed and offended @ the notion!