gatiano:
either ways, is it normal? why should it be so, when the igbo land can grow a yam as big as a lion, cross river plantain can make you forget your name, yoruba land has it own food and the north. what are we going for to find? what else is more important than food, shelter, clothing nudeless, having little fun and creating something? why is it so difficult?

I'm sure you have no problems travelling to Mecca for some so called pilgrimage. Islam originated from Africa? What a joke. You just succeeded in writing a whole lot of meaningless stuff

I have never been to mecca, i have no intentions of doing so, however, perhaps i would like to go see what is happening there, because i know where GOD resides. Islam started on earth from the middle east which is not limited to mecca, Islam began with the creation of this solar system. i am not yet sure if it started before the creation of the universe, it is possible it did.

cold:

I'm sure you have no problems travelling to Mecca for some so called pilgrimage. Islam originated from Africa? What a joke. You just succeeded in writing a whole lot of meaningless stuff

It depends on what you mean by GODS, but in pluralism? no, they never worshipped anything besides GOD.
There religion was submission to the will of GOD/ALLAH, in freedom, equality and justice (they are all blackmen, holiness can't reside in a weak and wicked body)
Abraham- taught against polytheism.
Moses- brought the laws
David- the praises.
Jesus- Love, but not to love one's enemy, rather to love oneself and neigbour.
Muhammad- was who collected their works revealled to him by GOD, and most importantly, it was a duty.
duty indeed that stopped the devils for a thousand years, which is why they the devils hate Islam and Muhammad and decieve your likes to hate it.
Elijah Muhammad- revealed the truth of all the books, that the devils have infitrated and corrupt, thereby i can now remove the weed from the grain. To end the devil rule at once. it had ended, you are just blind.

GooseBaba:


They all had their traditional religion including your master the Arabs before Muhammad was conceived. JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS they worshiped their own gods pluralism!

and beside, the middle east was one with Africa until the 1850s when the devils built suez canal for the main purpose of spliting you from the your original home, well the whole of the planet is your own that is if you are black. if you are white? well, the maximum you got is just 900 years left and that if you are righteous.

cold:

I'm sure you have no problems travelling to Mecca for some so called pilgrimage. Islam originated from Africa? What a joke. You just succeeded in writing a whole lot of meaningless stuff

gatiano:
and beside, the middle east was one with Africa until the 1850s when the devils built suez canal for the main purpose of spliting you from the your original home, well the whole of the planet is your own that is if you are black. if you are white? well, the maximum you got is just 900 years left and that if you are righteous.

You just made it obvious you have no idea what you're yapping about. The Suez canal was built to connect the Meditereanean sea with the Gulf of suez,a nothern branch of the red sea. In other words,connecting Africa to the Middle East. So gibberish i can't even deal. Please go some more reading. Stop clinging desperately to a religion that clearly isn't yours. Islam is a product of the middle east. Nothing to do with Africa. Stop the self loathe!

gatiano:
As i was saying, our african culture wasn't the first, and as a matter of fact it can be considered as a yesterday's religion, but pre christianity, or judaism. who was the GOD that walked with enoch, that spoke and eat food as guest of Abraham , (the whiteman wants to make us believe that it so spirit, but spirit does not eat or wash legs, and in movies, they will make that person a whiteman which is a lie), who appeared before Moses? (the whiteman makes it looks like it spirit spooky stuff), I'm with one with the father, Jesus said (that has a very deep meaning than what anybody would be able to comprehend, except a few, who are all blackmen of africa or african descent. Who gave Muhammad the book in different seperate times? do you mean to tell some spirit keeps appearing to him? that is a whiteman's make up. David said He haths openned my eyes? what is this openning of eye means and who openned it? who comforted him in the shadow of the valley? spirits? This is a Blackman they are all refering to, infact with the pronoun "these". somebody made adam, he did not make himself, somebody made them. That was a blackman, he made them wicked and weak simply because He (the blackman) could, he is extremely fearless (which is of your, if you are black and me and all other blacks' qualities). He could not make weakness and wickedness in HIS (blackman) own body, he can only learn it from where he laid it (inside the whiteman). now if you are truthful to yourself, where did you learn kissing from? who taught our kings and politicians how to steal and get away with it? who taught you that being gay is ok? where did you learn that seeing porns strengthens the marriage? how did polygamy came into the black system? why did we start disfiguring ourselves with tribal marks and fitting large plates in our mouths and ears? where did our girls and women lost the shame that they can now today pose naked for camera? where did you learn that fornication is not a big deal? wasn't that was responsible for girls circumstition? when did a blackman begin to mistreat his woman? where are all the dieases from? etc.
This doesn't mean that i should take responsibility for my wrong doings, but i am not responsible for them, Thus ALLAH SAID-
2:268 The devil threatens you with poverty and enjoins you to be niggardly, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and abundance. And Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing:

So if you are black, you are not going to hell, however, since that i told you know, it doesn't matter if you believe or not, if you continue with wrong doing while knowing the truth, you would be punished.
white people knew good and evil, it is there in the bible. they have freewill. Blackman just wanted to check what evil look and feels like, and we all decided to take part in it. it was an agreement.
why then should the whiteman go to hell? they don't need to go hell, however, they can not be allowed into our world or heaven, they will contaminate it, even if she is your wife or husband? however you mullattoes can after being washed clean of madness. There heaven is prepared for them, very nice place, for those of them who obeyed Moses, Jesus, Muhammad teachings, but no visa for them to enter ours, except they make themselves into black by truely loving black and marrying blacks, their mulatto marrying another black etc. the rest that won't change is for the dustbin. that blackman will go to the dustbin? impossible!.

speaking of the traditional african religion, one of the best phrase, in short the best is " ori ni a ba sin, ki a fi orisha si ile" which means, our head is what we must worship and leave the orishas alone". It is what Jesus meant by I'm one with my Father. This is a very powerful phrase. it would stop all the calamity befalling at once. except you are an initiated one with the complete ritual, or have learnt it, you can or will never understand this phrase. 12 tribes are the black people of 84 million each spread on the planet. Elijah Muhammad is the gate, to understand those from the Africans who would soon testify to the greatness and truth of Elijah Muhammad, by releasing the truth of life, you will never understand the rest except through Elijah.

84 million by 12 tribes= 1,008,000,000 people. the black people can not exceed this number, never. even distributed between man and woman. ours is the only people where you would find ratio to be 50/50, or 49/51, or 51/49, no matter the wars or trouble, we are always this number, that is why i'm sure we are 800 million on african continent, maybe less. it has a lot to do with ori. the whiteman know this, that is why he tries all his best to kill us, this number is dangerous for their survival. if you are an initiated, and an african man as you have claimed, then you would understand. Ori is powerful.
President Jonathan is an ijaw man, much like you, how come he wears the jew hat? can you explain that?

Your first two paragraphs is rubbish... You have to realize. No one has a monopoly on ignorance. The white man has his own doctrine and you are beneath him, the Arabs call nation of islam an abomination and it adherents are cockroaches.

At the rate you and your nation of islam is going, when frustration sets in you will result to cowardly violence. You guys give the whiteman such greatness, he is capable of doing such great mayhem. Because your god gave him power to do it. But you don't see the folly in your complaining.

Also, if you understand the true and complete concept of "Ori" you would not type that rubbish about understanding the rest through Elijah..you man worshipper..smh

As you can see president Jonathan is like you too. He drank the cool aid of indoctrination. If a person like you who believe in the rubbish you do, would you stop believing when you take public office..?

And For your information that's not a jewish hat. As fishermen and farmers we wear hats, it completes our mode of dressing. Some of the elderly men put a single feather on theirs..

how can canal be made yet it is connecting one side to the other? is your geometry right? canal means splitting. and yes for port and goods, but most importantly to split africans away from their true place. so in your mind, you think names like buhari, muhammad, ahmad or ahmed, siriki, kabiru, bakare, lawal, abubakar, adamu are gotten from the arabs? you are just to wrong that you can't be wrong enough, they(we) gave them those beautiful names.
name like alfonso, pedro, salvador, da-silva, marcus, cardorso etc was giving to you/us by the portugese or spanish? if you think so, you are just too wrong from earth to pluto and back again. we gave them that name.

when you here names like goodluck Jonathan, you think he got those names from the so called jews? you are wrong again if you think so, president Jonathan has had his name and been wearing his black hat before the white man knew his name was adam derived from adamu.

There pure african names that are there are those that migrated there just 50,000 years ago to make themselves stronger. others has mentioned above just came after 6000 years ago.

The red chieftaincy cap of the igbos, is also called the fez, where did the turkish and the morocceans get the idea of wearing caps?

now do not tell me the marcus etc were deported back from brazil, just a handful of them came back, but most of them are who are called the original black moor/muurs that civilized spain, in which case spanish is a blackman's made language.

i am not self loothing myself, i am telling you that i am greater than what you think i am and what you think you are (as usual, if you are black).
I AM GOD, YOU ARE GOD (IF YOU ARE BLACK), EVERY BLACKMAN IS A GOD, THE BLACKWOMAN IS A GOD. THUS WE ARE GODS. IN UNITY WHICH THE OTHER RACES ARE SPENDING TRILLIONS AND QUADRILLION TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T, AND YOU ARE AIDING THEM. IN UNITY WE ARE ONE GOD. THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, THE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE ETC. YOU CAN NEVER DIE (IF YOU ARE BLACK), YOU MAY JUST EXPIRE AND THEN GO TO YOUR ELLEDA(ORI) AND COME BACK AGAIN FOR NEW EXPRIENCES, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS EVIL SATAN'S RULE THAT WE ALLOWED, WE FORGET, WE JUST WANTED TO CHECK WHAT FORGETFULNESS FEELS LIKE. WHEN WE UNITE, OUR MINDS EXPANDS SO MUCH SO THAT THE UNIVERSE WILL BE SO SMALL, THEN WE WILL NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE. This is the original traditional african religion that you all fail to understand and me too (few moments back). so if you worship ogun, sango, soponnu, etc, who then did all these deities worship before they pass away, and they are just yesterday people. when you come in contact with you ori(elleda, creator), then you become one with him who is your ancestral father. i am one with my father.

cold:

You just made it obvious you have no idea what you're yapping about. The Suez canal was built to connect the Meditereanean sea with the Gulf of suez,a nothern branch of the red sea. In other words,connecting Africa to the Middle East. So gibberish i can't even deal. Please go some more reading. Stop clinging desperately to a religion that clearly isn't yours. Islam is a product of the middle east. Nothing to do with Africa. Stop the self loathe!

as you can see for yourself, you can't cannot disapprove anything. you actually have no idea of who you are or your path, you are roaming blindly. But GOD, your own ori will set you up. i thoought i was beneath it, when in actual fact i was above all. get in contact with your ori/elleda/creator,and stop worshipping muds, if you are. Nobody is idolizing Elijah Muhammad, if we do, the devils you kind of secretly admire so much will infiltrate it like they have always infiltrated you non-meaning pluralism of a worship.

who cares about arabs, who wrote the hadith and expect 72 virgins (the funniest thing ever), arab and white same same. they do their part in deceiving the black gullible muslims.

GooseBaba:


Your first two paragraphs is rubbish... You have to realize. No one has a monopoly on ignorance. The white man has his own doctrine and you are beneath him, the Arabs call nation of islam an abomination and it adherents are cockroaches.

At the rate you and your nation of islam is going, when frustration sets in you will result to cowardly violence. You guys give the whiteman such greatness, he is capable of doing such great mayhem. Because your god gave him power to do it. But you don't see the folly in your complaining.

Also, if you understand the true and complete concept of "Ori" you would not type that rubbish about understanding the rest through Elijah..you man worshipper..smh

As you can see president Jonathan is like you too. He drank the cool aid of indoctrination. If a person like you who believe in the rubbish you do, would you stop believing when you take public office..?

And For your information that's not a jewish hat. As fishermen and farmers we wear hats, it completes our mode of dressing. Some of the elderly men put a single feather on theirs..

the islamic names, with the african names with the moorish names and the original jewish name though they sound different but the are exactly of the same meaning, giving praise to the Creator. unlike names like combs, macregor, bears, macmill etc (no meaning, no essence). if they are the same, why don't they sound the same? there is a scientific proof and mathematical proof for that. if you understand.
what may even sound amazing to you is that, do you know that with your thoughts and hand, you must have created something great like a butterfly or nice looking original dog?

cold:

You just made it obvious you have no idea what you're yapping about. The Suez canal was built to connect the Meditereanean sea with the Gulf of suez,a nothern branch of the red sea. In other words,connecting Africa to the Middle East. So gibberish i can't even deal. Please go some more reading. Stop clinging desperately to a religion that clearly isn't yours. Islam is a product of the middle east. Nothing to do with Africa. Stop the self loathe!

gatiano:
as you can see for yourself, you can't cannot disapprove anything. you actually have no idea of who you are or your path, you are roaming blindly. But GOD, your own ori will set you up. i thoought i was beneath it, when in actual fact i was above all. get in contact with your ori/elleda/creator,and stop worshipping muds, if you are. Nobody is idolizing Elijah Muhammad, if we do, the devils you kind of secretly admire so much will infiltrate it like they have always infiltrated you non-meaning pluralism of a worship.

who cares about arabs, who wrote the hadith and expect 72 virgins (the funniest thing ever), arab and white same same. they do their part in deceiving the black gullible muslims.

You are a disturbed individual. You are just running your mouth anyhow.. You speak of Ori, Elleda and your creator is allah.. Now you are beginning to expose your foolishness "worshipping mud".... Smh

No wonder the Arabs see you guys as an abomination.. One who has no land proclaims himself a nation and lay claims to the said land in a story mixed with delusion...

Genuine and common sense africans are finding ways to elevate their status in the global scheme of things, the demented ones are waiting for a 900 yrs starting point.. Smh

You have to be a low life in person. There is no way one with a goal and purpose would adhere to such demented thought process..

gatiano:
the islamic names, with the african names with the moorish names and the original jewish name though they sound different but the are exactly of the same meaning, giving praise to the Creator. unlike names like combs, macregor, bears, macmill etc (no meaning, no essence). if they are the same, why don't they sound the same? there is a scientific proof and mathematical proof for that. if you understand.
what may even sound amazing to you is that, do you know that with your thoughts and hand, you must have created something great like a butterfly or nice looking original dog?

Why are you so obsessed with the whiteman..without the whiteman you have nothing else to base your religion on..Hmmmm it simply shows that the whiteman really death with the owners of your nation of islam..

when you can't disprove of anything, then you result into agressiveness and abuse. Nation of Islam has been there for more than 80 years, proofing without a doubt what it is and what is not, yet your superior master that you you praise can't dispprove or proof them wrong, how much less you. (i don't mean this for an abuse, i m merely stating the fact to which you have no concrete evident to support yourself back then few days ago and right now. shame on you. what is the difference between, ALLAH AND ELLEDA AND ELLEDUMARE? CAN'T A IN LATIN WORDS BE INTERCHANGEABLE TO E? You lack exposure, how can you when you worship a mud (african traditionist), shame on you again, aren't indians the same, were the caucasian able to take their religion from them? is there not the whole of asia, china, japan, laos etc, weren't they too colonized by these devils? were they able to give them other religion? it really shows that in Africa with those weak mud, they were able to convert you on a massive scale? ask yourself, can it be really true?
If you prove one word of what Elijah Muhammad said wrong with facts and prove. i will send you 1000$, i don't know when, but my word is my bond. prove him wrong. Your mud religion, it was weak that a weak man broke it apart. Not the elevating African traditions, those one are hidden, people like you can never even think about it yet. i said yet. tell me what is the explanation of Ori? bring me back if you know.

why is it ALLAH many mile away in the mid east, and why is the same ELLEDA here. why the change in sound and pronounciation but the same meaning? do you know? you can never yet, i said yet because you would know later.

nation of islam don't have a place, yes they don't yet, hausa did not yet surrender your ijaw land too even when you are there (but that is not the case for now). in that there small organisation of nation of islam in the americas and europe, they feed themselves good, are extremely healthy and they live till old age. you with a country with all the resources and crude and diamond, can you say the same about yourselves?
whiteman americans not giving the land that the nation of islam so much deserve, is the hand of GOD on them, that way, they are easier to destroy as pharoah was. ALLAH hardens their hearts is what the Holy Quran says. ignorants saying things of what they have no clue about.

Teach me about Ori, or the ijaw stuffs, if you are sure.

GooseBaba:


You are a disturbed individual. You are just running your mouth anyhow.. You speak of Ori, Elleda and your creator is allah.. Now you are beginning to expose your foolishness "worshipping mud".... Smh

No wonder the Arabs see you guys as an abomination.. One who has no land proclaims himself a nation and lay claims to the said land in a story mixed with delusion...

Genuine and common sense africans are finding ways to elevate their status in the global scheme of things, the demented ones are waiting for a 900 yrs starting point.. Smh

You have to be a low life in person. There is no way one with a goal and purpose would adhere to such demented thought process..

obsessed? about a whiteman? are you serious? you lack basic understanding (forgive me), but you do. i am not at all about them, rather i am about my brothers and sisters that they may seperate themselves from them so not to be a partakers of their crash, it is not as if you would understand that either. you are confused actually. you do not know if you are traditional, christian, muslim or atheisy or even polytheist, and that is not your fault, the devils are good putting people in a state of confusion. pele

GooseBaba:


Why are you so obsessed with the whiteman..without the whiteman you have nothing else to base your religion on..Hmmmm it simply shows that the whiteman really death with the owners of your nation of islam..

I just saw a post here, A dude taking selfie with a masquerade, i thought it was you, but then it occurred to me that you really don't contribute anything only to criticise. well i am openned for learning, can you tell us about some masquerade, their origin, why they are so and so, i will be happy to read it and gain some knowledge, i will comment the ones supported with mathematical and scientific facts and disregard those that are baseless. then again, it occured to me that you are not black, maybe not black in proper words. you are here to drag people down who will want to reason. because, i have learnt alot from this forum. why would any black person be so mad about Nation of Islam? it is like a sharp knife piercing through your soul. but still if you are black, give me that original blackman african traditional worship of the one true ELEDUMARE and i will salute you.
whiteman goes to the forest cutting down trees, and designing them with silver and gold looking balls, and cross and cows etc, it favours them, that is what they were made to do even when they call it christianity which is their religion.

you on the otherhand (a blackman) that is suppose to submit to the one true ELEDUMARE, is into mud stuffs, except if you are white, it won't do you no good. but i doubt if you are black atall, if not i should be able to learn something about traditions from you, but nada.

GooseBaba:


Why are you so obsessed with the whiteman..without the whiteman you have nothing else to base your religion on..Hmmmm it simply shows that the whiteman really death with the owners of your nation of islam..

gatiano:
I just saw a post here, A dude taking selfie with a masquerade, i thought it was you, but then it occurred to me that you really don't contribute anything only to criticise. well i am openned for learning, can you tell us about some masquerade, their origin, why they are so and so, i will be happy to read it and gain some knowledge, i will comment the ones supported with mathematical and scientific facts and disregard those that are baseless. then again, it occured to me that you are not black, maybe not black in proper words. you are here to drag people down who will want to reason. because, i have learnt alot from this forum. why would any black person be so mad about Nation of Islam? it is like a sharp knife piercing through your soul. but still if you are black, give me that original blackman african traditional worship of the one true ELEDUMARE and i will salute you.
whiteman goes to the forest cutting down trees, and designing them with silver and gold looking balls, and cross and cows etc, it favours them, that is what they were made to do even when they call it christianity which is their religion.

you on the otherhand (a blackman) that is suppose to submit to the one true ELEDUMARE, is into mud stuffs, except if you are white, it won't do you no good. but i doubt if you are black atall, if not i should be able to learn something about traditions from you, but nada.

You are nothing but a complete slowpoke and a miserable thwart...! Leave the names of african deities from your filthy mouth and stick to your shiity allah... No where in your story book did they mention their names, mode of worship or concept of spiritual actualization.

You are nothing but a demented swine running from pillar to post, distorting african history to suit your delusion. It shows you are nothing but a complete fool. You think ATR is about read and debate. You have to experience and observe. Not read and think you know.

Pig like you, you try to study different beliefs system/concept and squeeze them under your rubbish nation of islam.. Thunder fire you, Elijah Muhammad and Louis farrankan..

He goat like you mixing fiction with history and calling it scientific evidence. And you expect people that see through your rubbish to debate you.. Thunder fire you again..!! Olofo..!!

but you can't teach an ignorant person like me, right? what is your use if you know or is civilized but won't teach or civilized others? you have no concrete use than just to critisize other who seek enlightment and development. i'm an african, black and extremely proud of it, but i do not know much of the traditions, would you teach me? Elijah Muhammad taught me self development based on facts, mathematics and sciences, it worked, it saved my life, i want more from my african root which you have abundantly in knowledge and understanding. teach it for all to gain something for upliftment. and if you can't and/or don't know, kindly respect yourselves, read through and walk pass. When i learn, and i know it to be true, i am always happy to let it out there because i know and understand that no one can exist alone, however, if one should believe anything anybody writes without his/her personal investigation, studying and reasoning is not ok. as i said, we do not force nobody. now teach something of your understanding, i really want to learn from my culture and tradition. i do not trust google for black development, however still, i check it occasionally for simple science investigation. you can't really abuse, you are not yoruba enough in that aspect.

and before you can abuse elders like Muhammad and Farrakhan, you must be higher in knowledge than them, if not what are you then? pig? you are seriously angry, i must have touched your bones.

and how does this experience take place, that it eludes words? what kind of observation is there that can't be explained to librate your own kin? yet you complain about the adoption of another worship.

GooseBaba:


You are nothing but a complete slowpoke and a miserable thwart...! Leave the names of african deities from your filthy mouth and stick to your shiity allah... No where in your story book did they mention their names, mode of worship or concept of spiritual actualization.

You are nothing but a demented swine running from pillar to post, distorting african history to suit your delusion. It shows you are nothing but a complete fool. You think ATR is about read and debate. You have to experience and observe. Not read and think you know.

Pig like you, you try to study different beliefs system/concept and squeeze them under your rubbish nation of islam.. Thunder fire you, Elijah Muhammad and Louis farrankan..

He goat like you mixing fiction with history and calling it scientific evidence. And you expect people that see through your rubbish to debate you.. Thunder fire you again..!! Olofo..!!

what is ATR?

GooseBaba:


You are nothing but a complete slowpoke and a miserable thwart...! Leave the names of african deities from your filthy mouth and stick to your shiity allah... No where in your story book did they mention their names, mode of worship or concept of spiritual actualization.

You are nothing but a demented swine running from pillar to post, distorting african history to suit your delusion. It shows you are nothing but a complete fool. You think ATR is about read and debate. You have to experience and observe. Not read and think you know.

Pig like you, you try to study different beliefs system/concept and squeeze them under your rubbish nation of islam.. Thunder fire you, Elijah Muhammad and Louis farrankan..

He goat like you mixing fiction with history and calling it scientific evidence. And you expect people that see through your rubbish to debate you.. Thunder fire you again..!! Olofo..!!

Dbestmax:
so wats ur point exactly

good question.

gatiano:
but you can't teach an ignorant person like me, right? what is your use if you know or is civilized but won't teach or civilized others? you have no concrete use than just to critisize other who seek enlightment and development. i'm an african, black and extremely proud of it, but i do not know much of the traditions, would you teach me? Elijah Muhammad taught me self development based on facts, mathematics and sciences, it worked, it saved my life, i want more from my african root which you have abundantly in knowledge and understanding. teach it for all to gain something for upliftment. and if you can't and/or don't know, kindly respect yourselves, read through and walk pass. When i learn, and i know it to be true, i am always happy to let it out there because i know and understand that no one can exist alone, however, if one should believe anything anybody writes without his/her personal investigation, studying and reasoning is not ok. as i said, we do not force nobody. now teach something of your understanding, i really want to learn from my culture and tradition. i do not trust google for black development, however still, i check it occasionally for simple science investigation. you can't really abuse, you are not yoruba enough in that aspect.

and before you can abuse elders like Muhammad and Farrakhan, you must be higher in knowledge than them, if not what are you then? pig? you are seriously angry, i must have touched your bones.

and how does this experience take place, that it eludes words? what kind of observation is there that can't be explained to librate your own kin? yet you complain about the adoption of another worship.

Dude you know what you are into cannot stand on its own. Hence your reasons for forcing african spirituality into it. And you expect me to waka pass when ignoramous like you proclaim that sango, Ogun, osun worshippers are doing it wrong because one Elijah Muhammad thought you self development.. The other time you said these gods were fallen angle that became demons. Now I ask you, where did you learn that from..? It is said that Esu reports the dealings of man to Eledumare..how does that fit into your doctrines..?

Clearly you did not learn it from the worshippers of these gods/goddess.. Where did you learn it from..?

Furthermore, you don't know the compound meaning of ATR, yet you prance around talking about submit to one true ELEDUMARE..., guy you're a condense fool. Where did you learn that from..? Clearly not from an african traditional preist..

Elijah Muhammad and Louis farrankan are covk suvkers as far as I am concerned. You're the pig, because your ori is filled with dirt and you call it enlightenment..

When i say you're a condense fool, you would think that I am abusing you. Spirituality in every sense of it, is totally different from doctrines.. Doctrine are created by man, while spirituality is your essence. Now if I visit a shrine and consult with the gods, whose experience is that? Mine or yours.? Further, when I observe that my spirit is at rest after consultation? Whose observation is that.? Mine or yours..!? That's why when you talk about submitting or connecting your ori with eledumare it simple shows that your mind is captivated by doctrines.

We believe we are spiritual beings and Life is a journey and to navigate your path in life one must utilize his spiritual form "ori" gifts from the spiritual realm, and his physical form your brain. That's why someone like you is considered an oloriburuku. How does one understand this gift..? From esoteric knowledge(african traditional preist) not doctrines with a grudge..

Now if you really want to learn. Retrace your steps to your tribe and seek answers. Not all this Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan bull shiiit you're busy spewing on the net. Because, mixing historical happenings, different beliefs system with your doctrinated science does not make you enlighted. It simply shows that you're running mad with inferiority complex.

Firstly, i was never part of who said or claim that sango and the other deities are falling angels. That esu carries information to GOD, if that is the case, then we establish that esu is not devil, now if you say or claim otherwise without being precise about what his duties are, then over 200 million people will keep on thinking that esu is the devil, while a few more believe that esu is black and white to teach people lessons, in my own simple conclusion, one can either be white or be black, you can't be both (that is my opinion), having said that,
i just want to know the creation according to the yoruba/african traditional religion. if you have the experience from the source, it may be good for you, a lot of millions other may never have the oppurtunity to, if that be so, should they be condemned? if you do not share the truth of the culture, how then can people return? What Elijah Muhammad shared has deep african root, which tells us the start of this particular universe and how timing really works, Another brother from Batwana tribe of the southern region of africa has revealled a lot more, and he bared witness to what Elijah Muhammad taught as the truth and nothing more than the truth. he further went on to detail how the universe was made and the previous universe was made before this one with a law of creation which states that as above, so below with mathematical and scientific backup, that even a the blind would understand. He further stated that all the other african elder from the major tribe will begin to reveal the universal truth because it was time and it is time to do so, so as to awaken the mighty men which are the black people. black in brazil, usa, england, north pole, of the india sub continent, the middle eastern blacks, even to the so called aboringinals of the pacific are all one people just divided into 12 tribes. This system as always been forever, even before the last universe which is hundreds of trillions eons of years ago.
whatever religion you use to reach this truth does not matter as long as it is righteousness. nation of islam has never force anybody into Islam, at the million man match of the early 90s, Farrakhan enjoined every blackman to find and join any organization of truth and rigteousness, whereever. and here it seem to me like you are like a pastor advertising for flock, and when you can't get them, you lost your mind.

if you know the truth according to your own religion, if it is of truth and righteousness, it will definitely be proportional to the other truth. truth is eternal.

obatala came, who was he?
sango was breathing fire, how is that possible? or was it just a myth?
what about orunmila? how can we measure his work and how can we do the same to do ourselves some good?
they abuse some people and call them otokoto, blood money etc, is it true? if yes, then we can put an end to it, if false, then you refute it with explanation.
olokun, what does that imply? does he live in the sea, or he just controls the seas from land? it will be very interesting if he lives in the sea, that would be a powerful scientific stuff, which is possible because the black person mind and brain and wisdom and knowledge is extremely wide.
esu, there is esu ebita (they say is evil, i say he hates complains), and there is the other esu (i forgot).
if you know, get a permission from your elder and publish it if you can, make it free. or create a topic here on this forum.

out of a every hundred, 98 will call you names you have never heard in your life, and it would make you sick to your stomach, i may even be part of the 98, but that 2, that 2 is more than double of that 98. Jesus did not speak to more than 30 people at a time. truth is hard for people to accept.

if you exprience, share, so that all can or will be able to observe as you said, they do not need to be in your town to do that.

now that you have abuse me, i am not a love your enemy as yourself (you are not my enemy), so i won't turn the left cheek for you to whoop,
i really really must have clog your shoulder bones, you derserve it. do you wear masquerade clothing and terrorize people on the streets for change/money? how does it feel inside it with all that heat, most of the masquerade clothing has never been washed, bateria and viruses is always hanging in the corner looking for dirt to cling on.
if i have ever said any thing not matured about the african deity, is because, i do not understand why you bor(worship) sango for example, if sang if alive would not have been more than 800 years old, but then google could be a fabricator on that, they are a natural liar. that is why griot are there to remind us of the truth. are you a griot? come to think of it, all those masquerades could be a griot, im not sure, anyway if you know tell what you can, and stop criticizing those that are doing.

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Dude you know what you are into cannot stand on its own. Hence your reasons for forcing african spirituality into it. And you expect me to waka pass when ignoramous like you proclaim that sango, Ogun, osun worshippers are doing it wrong because one Elijah Muhammad thought you self development.. The other time you said these gods were fallen angle that became demons. Now I ask you, where did you learn that from..? It is said that Esu reports the dealings of man to Eledumare..how does that fit into your doctrines..?

Clearly you did not learn it from the worshippers of these gods/goddess.. Where did you learn it from..?

Furthermore, you don't know the compound meaning of ATR, yet you prance around talking about submit to one true ELEDUMARE..., guy you're a condense fool. Where did you learn that from..? Clearly not from an african traditional preist..

Elijah Muhammad and Louis farrankan are covk suvkers as far as I am concerned. You're the pig, because your ori is filled with dirt and you call it enlightenment..

When i say you're a condense fool, you would think that I am abusing you. Spirituality in every sense of it, is totally different from doctrines.. Doctrine are created by man, while spirituality is your essence. Now if I visit a shrine and consult with the gods, whose experience is that? Mine or yours.? Further, when I observe that my spirit is at rest after consultation? Whose observation is that.? Mine or yours..!? That's why when you talk about submitting or connecting your ori with eledumare it simple shows that your mind is captivated by doctrines.

We believe we are spiritual beings and Life is a journey and to navigate your path in life one must utilize his spiritual form "ori" gifts from the spiritual realm, and his physical form your brain. That's why someone like you is considered an oloriburuku. How does one understand this gift..? From esoteric knowledge(african traditional preist) not doctrines with a grudge..

Now if you really want to learn. Retrace your steps to your tribe and seek answers. Not all this Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan bull shiiit you're busy spewing on the net. Because, mixing historical happenings, different beliefs system with your doctrinated science does not make you enlighted. It simply shows that you're running mad with inferiority complex.