frosbel:
One of those late nights and I am thinking about Nigeria and the reason why despite so much prayer , fasting and mourning things remain the same and in many cases are even getting worse.

Why ?

One would have thought that with our acclaimed miracle men, men of God, pastors and millions of believers , things should have been turned around for the better by now.

Every Sunday we troop down to our places of worship to hear words of encouragement and promises of hope from our icons in the pulpit and despite the evidence to the contrary we cling to hope while everything falls apart all around us.

I think I have figured out why.

God is not moved by prayer ! Well prayer that is not said aright.

Yes God is not moved by the prayers of those who have chosen to live , think and act unrighteously. We call ourselves Christians and go to 'church', yet we collect bribes, commit adultery , shed innocent blood, align ourselves with false doctrines especially those that exploit the orphan, widow and poor ( you know what I mean ) , we malign our leaders and curse our neighbours, we persecute the weak and exploit the vulnerable and we think that all our prayers and tears ( crocodile tears if I may qualify ) will appease God.

Many Christian bosses do not pay their workers, many are involved in mago mago in their businesses , many believers will do anything to make two ends meet even if it means hurting their conscience in the process, yet we troop to 'church' to ask God for favours.

Hahaha, you think you can fool God with your white robes, black suits. Long dresses , big bibles ,long prayers , singing , tithes and offering etc.


Consider the following scripture ;

John 9:31
We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Proverbs 21:13
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.

1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil


These are just a tip of the iceberg concerning how God deals with people and nations. God cannot be bribed with your tithes and offerings which of course we know does not go to him but to fraudulent charlatans, in fact the mere thought that you pay to get back 100 fold in return while not caring for the poor neighbour down the street or your wretched relatives is in itself a sin.


Solution ;
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Here we see very clearly that unless Nigerian Christians repent of their hypocrisies , stop man worship and start acting righteously, nothing will change. But if we repent and start acting righteously God will hear our prayers even before we utter them from our lips.

Here's another one ;
Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Let us deceive not ourselves that because we are covered by grace we can sin rampantly and expect that God will cover us with the blood of his Son and turn a blind eye to our pagan practices, infidelity and wickedness. Sorry, but God is not a Nigerian, he cannot be bribed or corrupted , and God does not believe in sinning grace, oh yes, the grace that encourages sin with the excuse that Jesus has covered it all for you, yeah right !

Time to change and change must begin in our personal lives , we must start to imbibe values of integrity, honesty, hardwork and righteousness.

But if you continue supporting evil men in the pulpit, enemies of the cross whose God is their bellies, if you continue in your wicked business malpractices and office cheating, if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own. If you like pray for eternity, be rest assured that nothing will change, never, unless you and all of us change.

End of late night rant.

Back to bed

Unionised:
Mr Frosbel,
I understand your anger.

But my God is not a wicked God.

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?

You forgot to quote that one.

God said "Because of the righteous...."

So, though the country may be full of hypocrites, yet God will prosper my household BECAUSE OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS, not yours.

So follow your own salvation with fear and trembling...

frosbel:
Summary ;

God honours righteousness not empty prayers and incantations...

malvisguy212:
the op sound like the argument against God, ''if God exist prayer will have brought world peace'' the absence of peace indicate God did not exist, God only advice us to make peace with him, as long as evil exist and God will not interfere on freewill, it will be difficult for man to experience peace, the world we wish for is not here, it's heaven. Read here
https://www.nairaland.com/1995965/athiest-claim-god-existed-prayer

Frosbel, you are sounding more like an atheist.

frosbel:
Summary ;

God honours righteousness not empty prayers and incantations...

"I think there is more to that bible quotation that says righteousness exalts a nation......"

frosbel:


Why , because I disagree with you .

frosbel:
Summary ;

God honours righteousness not empty prayers and incantations...

frosbel:
Summary ;

God honours righteousness not empty prayers and incantations...

frosbel:
...........if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own....

Anomnity:


You seem to be clearly describing yourself here.
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And why do you still quote from the bible while you've made everyone on this forum including muslims and atheists to see the bible as a fraud.
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Anyway let me overlook your excesses for a moment for the reason that this is the first thread ever you created that ever exalted righteousness.
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A word of advice: Preach righteousness and leave the ego of the men of God for God to handle and deal with your own ego and failures.That's the only time your message will create impact and bear fruit.

shdemidemi:


Are you righteous?

Has God answered all you ever prayed for?

Which country has God blessed because of their 'righteousness'?

frosbel:


You guys trolling a former brother because he abandoned your myths ??

I apologise if this has caused you guys considerable pain but allow me share my experiences of religion and the way it is practiced in Nigeria .

And as for the LIE about this being my first thread that has ever promoted righteousness, you need to take a step back and perform due diligence before you spout of these half truths.

Now back to the point , it is clear to even a child that enough light will gradually and eventually push out darkness. Children of God are supposed to be children of light and the more they are in number , the less darkness there should be by common logic.

With 30m believers in Nigeria , is it too high an expectation to see considerable parts of the country blossom with righteousness and peace. On the contrary, the more your mushroom pentecostal cults multiple, the more wickedness and mayhem reign. There is something not right with this picture.

Anomnity:

Of course I didn't expect anything more that your usual display of brazen arrogance.So go on and and ever remain OYO.A sure guaranteed formular for a fruitless christian(if ever you are a christian).

frosbel:
One of those late nights and I am thinking about Nigeria and the reason why despite so much prayer , fasting and mourning things remain the same and in many cases are even getting worse.

Why ?

One would have thought that with our acclaimed miracle men, men of God, pastors and millions of believers , things should have been turned around for the better by now.

Every Sunday we troop down to our places of worship to hear words of encouragement and promises of hope from our icons in the pulpit and despite the evidence to the contrary we cling to hope while everything falls apart all around us.

I think I have figured out why.

God is not moved by prayer ! Well prayer that is not said aright.

Yes God is not moved by the prayers of those who have chosen to live , think and act unrighteously. We call ourselves Christians and go to 'church', yet we collect bribes, commit adultery , shed innocent blood, align ourselves with false doctrines especially those that exploit the orphan, widow and poor ( you know what I mean ) , we malign our leaders and curse our neighbours, we persecute the weak and exploit the vulnerable and we think that all our prayers and tears ( crocodile tears if I may qualify ) will appease God.

Many Christian bosses do not pay their workers, many are involved in mago mago in their businesses , many believers will do anything to make two ends meet even if it means hurting their conscience in the process, yet we troop to 'church' to ask God for favours.

Hahaha, you think you can fool God with your white robes, black suits. Long dresses , big bibles ,long prayers , singing , tithes and offering etc.


Consider the following scripture ;

John 9:31
We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Proverbs 21:13
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.

1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil


These are just a tip of the iceberg concerning how God deals with people and nations. God cannot be bribed with your tithes and offerings which of course we know does not go to him but to fraudulent charlatans, in fact the mere thought that you pay to get back 100 fold in return while not caring for the poor neighbour down the street or your wretched relatives is in itself a sin.


Solution ;
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Here we see very clearly that unless Nigerian Christians repent of their hypocrisies , stop man worship and start acting righteously, nothing will change. But if we repent and start acting righteously God will hear our prayers even before we utter them from our lips.

Here's another one ;
Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Let us deceive not ourselves that because we are covered by grace we can sin rampantly and expect that God will cover us with the blood of his Son and turn a blind eye to our pagan practices, infidelity and wickedness. Sorry, but God is not a Nigerian, he cannot be bribed or corrupted , and God does not believe in sinning grace, oh yes, the grace that encourages sin with the excuse that Jesus has covered it all for you, yeah right !

Time to change and change must begin in our personal lives , we must start to imbibe values of integrity, honesty, hardwork and righteousness.

But if you continue supporting evil men in the pulpit, enemies of the cross whose God is their bellies, if you continue in your wicked business malpractices and office cheating, if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own. If you like pray for eternity, be rest assured that nothing will change, never, unless you and all of us change.

End of late night rant.

Back to bed

honourhim:


Young man much as I agree with most of the things you said here, the question remains-

1. Are you righteous?
2. Are you not arrogant and judgmental on issues as we see in this forum?
3. Are you making positive impact in this country?
4. Do you support the poor?

Its one thing to preach and another to live by what you preach.

frosbel:
One of those late nights and I am thinking about Nigeria and the reason why despite so much prayer , fasting and mourning things remain the same and in many cases are even getting worse.

Why ?

One would have thought that with our acclaimed miracle men, men of God, pastors and millions of believers , things should have been turned around for the better by now.

Every Sunday we troop down to our places of worship to hear words of encouragement and promises of hope from our icons in the pulpit and despite the evidence to the contrary we cling to hope while everything falls apart all around us.

I think I have figured out why.

God is not moved by prayer ! Well prayer that is not said aright.

Yes God is not moved by the prayers of those who have chosen to live , think and act unrighteously. We call ourselves Christians and go to 'church', yet we collect bribes, commit adultery , shed innocent blood, align ourselves with false doctrines especially those that exploit the orphan, widow and poor ( you know what I mean ) , we malign our leaders and curse our neighbours, we persecute the weak and exploit the vulnerable and we think that all our prayers and tears ( crocodile tears if I may qualify ) will appease God.

Many Christian bosses do not pay their workers, many are involved in mago mago in their businesses , many believers will do anything to make two ends meet even if it means hurting their conscience in the process, yet we troop to 'church' to ask God for favours.

Hahaha, you think you can fool God with your white robes, black suits. Long dresses , big bibles ,long prayers , singing , tithes and offering etc.


Consider the following scripture ;

John 9:31
We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Proverbs 21:13
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.

1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil


These are just a tip of the iceberg concerning how God deals with people and nations. God cannot be bribed with your tithes and offerings which of course we know does not go to him but to fraudulent charlatans, in fact the mere thought that you pay to get back 100 fold in return while not caring for the poor neighbour down the street or your wretched relatives is in itself a sin.


Solution ;
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Here we see very clearly that unless Nigerian Christians repent of their hypocrisies , stop man worship and start acting righteously, nothing will change. But if we repent and start acting righteously God will hear our prayers even before we utter them from our lips.

Here's another one ;
Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Let us deceive not ourselves that because we are covered by grace we can sin rampantly and expect that God will cover us with the blood of his Son and turn a blind eye to our pagan practices, infidelity and wickedness. Sorry, but God is not a Nigerian, he cannot be bribed or corrupted , and God does not believe in sinning grace, oh yes, the grace that encourages sin with the excuse that Jesus has covered it all for you, yeah right !

Time to change and change must begin in our personal lives , we must start to imbibe values of integrity, honesty, hardwork and righteousness.

But if you continue supporting evil men in the pulpit, enemies of the cross whose God is their bellies, if you continue in your wicked business malpractices and office cheating, if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own. If you like pray for eternity, be rest assured that nothing will change, never, unless you and all of us change.

End of late night rant.

Back to bed

frosbel:
^^^

I have come to realise that in Nigerian, grace is a covert word for lawlessness instead of the biblical definition of lawfulness.

malvisguy212:
Good question bro, frobel please answer this question, has God answer all you ever prayed for?

JesusisLord85:


Thou speakest well. You are on to something.

The tribes of our land are the Israelites of the bible, and we are living under the curses mentioned in Deuteronomy.

What our people (and I am speaking to our people, not the other nations) need to do is unlearn the lies the 'missionaries' came to teach.
We most teach the law. We must teach our sons and daughters that we must be a holy people, set apart. We must abide by the Word of the Most High, for the law is a lamp unto our feet. Then the Most High shall harken to our cries, and restore the Kingdom to us

Shalom

shdemidemi:


My black Israeli friend is here... Are you still on the 'yorubas are the actual Jew philosophy'?

Do you also say we shouldn't pray any more?

JesusisLord85:


philosophy ke? If you say you are a gentile, that is your own, and I am not concerned with you. I am waking fellow Israelites.

I did not say anyone should stop praying. But you modern day 'christians' waste your time if you think the Most High hears your prayers.

If you rage against light (the law), then you are in darkness and you are of your father the devil. But perhaps he will grant the odd vain prayer request nigerians make ("give me a Range Rover Lord", but only to your destruction.

shdemidemi:

I am no Jew nor Gentile... I am a Christian.

Does He answer your prayers more than He answers the prayer of a 'Christian'?