A month and a half after he prayed for president Jonathan and said he must return to power, Spiritual Director of Adoration Ministry, Enugu, Rev Fr. Ejike Mbaka, changed his tune and blasted GEJ during his New Year message to his congregation. Below is the full transcript of what he said...
"In the year 2014, we had a lot of bloodshed in this country. People were dying like rats without anybody asking about them. This country suffered a lot of blood experience. Many of us witnessed that people were in tears. Just like the ancient world, the year 2014, the 4 in it had the queen in it, which had to do with death. Our leaders failed us with reckless abandon and nobody asked them question.
The so-called democracy was a hidden autocracy. It was deceptive and questionable quack miler. Nigerians suffered hunger unnecessarily. We heard about oil subsidy being removed and added, whatever be(is) their jargon, nobody understood them. We heard about minimum wage, the civil servant suffered, the minimum wage was not paid and we were all calm. In 2015, Nigerians will not be calm again (shouts of AMEN!).

We need change. Whatever it will be, let it be. This is my golden message to my beloved country. What actually is happening (Ogini nne me?). The multitude of our youths, the quality young men, quality young women, brilliants youths but nobody has plans for any of you. Our so-called leaders should come and apologize. In 2015, it shall not continue like that (shouts of AMEN).

By the grace of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing spiritually, change! 2015 should not be a year of any hooligan maneuvering to hijack power. This is our New Year message. Listen, when you go home, tell anybody you see that from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing change (AMEN). Can somebody help me to shout change (shouts of change by the congregation) in Jesus holy name.

Look at what it’s like, as I’m yet to bless your families, bless your industries, bless your destinies. Come 2015, your plans are blessed, your vision are blessed, your locomotive society are blessed. I cover this year with the blood of Jesus. I seal this year with the blood of Jesus.

My message is in two branches (folds). Number one branch, the theme of this first message to my fellow countrymen is from good luck to bad luck. Once upon a time, the whole countrymen were crying for a leader who will help us move forward with our economy, have an authentic democracy, give our unemployed youths jobs, enable our power to be steady, who will industrialize Nigerians, who will encourage mass education and agriculturalize Nigeria. Having in view that oil will soon drop, give us security in a maximum level. By the grace of God, there emerged a Goodluck, all of us were happy, the Goodluck met Yar’ Adua and Yar’ Adua died. May the Holy Spirit help me as I utter this message, I know many will misunderstand it, but it will stand the test of time and you will know I’m speaking the truth.

The Goodluck met Yar’Adua and Yar’Adua died. Before you know it, the Goodluck met our oil and the oil had a bad luck and poured away, before we knew it, the Goodluck met our naira, our naira had a bad luck. Where are we going? What is the fate of this country? Shall we continue like this, we need change (shout of change from the congregation).

As I’m speaking with you, most of our civil servants did not celebrate their Christmas. The Christmas season that should be a Goodluck time became a bad luck time for our Nigerians forgetting that very soon, from 3rd January, the children will go back to school and the parent are going to pay school fees. From where? Are they going to use their urine to pay? (Shout of NO from the congregation). But where is the good water even if they are going to use their urine. Are they going to use their stool to pay the school fees of their children? (Shout of NO from the congregation). You have to eat well to defecate.

What is the fate of our children? Tears fill my eyes when I see our young graduates hoping and walking our streets. What is the meaning of kidnapping? Kidnapping is the grandson of unemployment. Boko Haram is a grand great child of the same unemployment, mass looting, and poor governance.

I’m not saying that Goodluck is a bad man. He is a good man. But he cannot lead Nigeria. As things stand right now, from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, Jonathan should honourably resign quietly and let Nigeria be. The destiny of Nigeria is greater than Goodluck Jonathan. The Goodluck in Jonathan has become a bad luck to Nigerians. Whatever brought him in should send him back and let Nigeria be.
By this time in few months to come, many are going to lose their jobs and there is no alternative.

During election, Jonathan will answer Azikiwe, Ebele and become an Igbo man and after election, the Ebele, the Azikiwe and Goodluck will vanish from his identity. Who is fooling who actually?
Look at our federal roads, we are not even asking for new ones, roads built by Buhari and Babangidas — the so called Hausa people— cannot be maintained. Follow Enugu here to Onitsha, children born some years ago do not know that there was a lane along the other side of Isiagwu and we are all saying continue. The continuity of Jonathan means disaster to Nigeria.

We need change. May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize what he has shown to me while I was waiting on him to give me a message for my people? I’m worried about the future of you my children. Go to school, go to school, mention any government school functioning in Nigeria now? Our schools are dilapidated. Nigeria is like an egg about to break in the hands of Jonathan Goodluck and we cannot allow it to happen. It is so unfortunate that pastors are becoming vultures around the president. Pastors are becoming hawks around him, eating the porridge of Jacob and selling their prophetic rights. And anointing is being merchandised in Aso Rock, carrying our nairas, turning it to dollars and carrying it in jets moving out of the country.

Listen, this is the voice on the pulpit: all these men of God, who are telling Jonathan to continue because they are benefitting one thing or the other, you should question your apostolic, prophetic anointing. What the Bible say is that Samson did not know that the Holy Spirit had left him. Let them watch if the Holy Spirit is still in them.

Listen, they will begin to tell us this one is a Christian the other one is a Muslim. I don’t believe in that. Who is a Christian more than Judas? Did Judas not betray Jesus? Judas was not just a Christian, he was not just a mere apostle, he was a super apostle like a cardinal but at a time he messed up and Bible says his office, let another take. That is the normal thing.

The way Nigeria is going right now, the office of Goodluck Jonathan let another take. I’m not campaigning for anybody. I’m filled with tears over what is happening in Nigeria. Some of us who have nongovernmental organisations funding charity, I know what I’m suffering. The more they are looting our resources, the more they are rending you unemployed, the more some of us suffer the more. If I have been paying for the school fees of 500 people, it would now jack up to 3000, or more.
What the government should do, individuals are struggling to achieve. When there is no road, no power, all this fake promises… where is the power? That Onitsha Bridge, has it now been built? No. After 6 years, and Goodluck has what it takes to do whatever. He surrounded himself with hooligans. By the time he comes down, he won’t have anybody to work with. He played himself into the hands of hooligans.

My interest is about the wellness of this country. Nigeria must survive what we are passing through by the help of God. The same God who saved us from Ebola will save us from this bad luck season (shouts of AMEN from the congregation).

Look at it, there was a time there was an argument about pension fund – such billions. Who is talking about it now? Billions and we were hearing it… from excess crude oil money, where is the impact of the excess crude oil money? Now from oil boom, it has met a bad luck; it’s now oil doom. If my father will be my leader and my siblings will all die, let a stranger be my leader and let my family be. All I’m trying to tell you is that we have not entered into any covenant with anybody.
Last time, the First Lady came here. We are not partisan; we welcomed her. We did a spiritual drama here. Lifted four birds to fly up, the main one that should fly up refused to go. I did everything possible and that one is the healthiest of them all but refused to fly and the spirit of God said, don’t disturb him.

When God rejected Saul, David took over. Let me tell you, in the history of Nigeria, we have never experience bloodshed as we have in the time of Goodluck. If Goodluck means bloodshed for Nigerians are you waiting until your own blood is shed? (shouts of No from the congregation).
We need change, however God will do it. Look at the insecurity if you go to the northern part of Nigeria.

My fellow priest, my fellow pastors, don’t just stand up to attack this message, because you have mouth. Think well before you put your mouth, the voice is beyond your own contribution. Listen, are you waiting for your own church to be bombed before you speak out? If you go to Maiduguri, some parishes have closed down. Go to Potiskum. People no longer go to church on Sundays in many parts of this country. Now imagine a scenario where a president cannot fight a simple insurgence. This is not an external country attack o. It is not like another country invaded Nigeria. It is an intra distraction. And many of us are claiming that it was because Buhari said that he was going to make Jonathan’s government ungovernable. Listen, let’s assume Buhari said something like that, even though it’s not Buhari who said it. So if you are the president and somebody say something like that, will you not arrest such a person?

I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

However, i find nothing wrong with the content of this sermon.

italo:
I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

However, i find nothing wrong with the content of this sermon.

I think he speaks as the spirit gives him utterance.

Saints John the Baptist and Stephen easily comes to mind.

italo:


...However, i find nothing wrong with the content of this sermon.

jnrbayano:

I think he speaks as the spirit gives him utterance.

I suppose all these are directly from the Holy Spirit as he indicated in the speech...
...and as jnrbayano thinks.

jnrbayano:


I think he speaks as the spirit gives him utterance.

Saints John the Baptist and Stephen easily comes to mind.

adsonstone:

I suppose all these are directly from the Holy Spirit as he indicated in the speech...
...and as jnrbayano thinks.

The summary of the sermon is that we need change in Nigeria.

Everyone knows that is the truth.

About my being uncomfortable, it is normal to be uncomfortable when the Holy Spirit does certain things...

italo:
I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

italo:

About my being uncomfortable, it is normal to be uncomfortable when the Holy Spirit does certain things...

Is Rev. Fr Mbaka now the Holy Spirit?
When did he become the Holy Spirit?

italo:


The summary of the sermon is that we need change in Nigeria.

Everyone knows that is the truth.

Yes, we need change!
We all know that.

If the summary is true, the details should be true. Do you agree with that?

However, He said the message is from the Holy Spirit, how true is that?

I'm a Jonathan person but the content of this sermon is the truth and has weakened my support for GEJ. The source of the message is what I'm not sure of. It may be Holy Spirit or his own spirit that told him.

Anyways let me be watching events as they unfold before I make up my mind on who to support. Buhari is also not the best though.

adsonstone:



Is Rev. Fr Mbaka now the Holy Spirit?
When did he become the Holy Spirit?

Where did Fr Mbaka or anyone else claim that Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit?

What is the matter? Are you just agitated because the man is a Catholic Priest?

adsonstone:

Yes, we need change!
We all know that.

If the summary is true, the details should be true. Do you agree with that?

Not necessarily.

adsonstone:

However, He said the message is from the Holy Spirit, how true is that?

Which kind yeye question be dis? How can i know if it is true or not?

Fr Mbaka never said the entirety of his sermon was directly from the Holy Spirit. The article is still there for you to read.

honourhim:
I'm a Jonathan person but the content of this sermon is the truth and has weakened my support for GEJ. The source of the message is what I'm not sure of. It may be Holy Spirit or his own spirit that told him.

Anyways let me be watching events as they unfold before I make up my mind on who to support. Buhari is also not the best though.

Judging from this transcript, Fr Mbaka did not necessarily canvass support for Buhari.

What he does strongly, is canvass for change.

Even if Buhari becomes president and things get worse, it wont negate Fr Mbaka's view that the Holy Spirit wants change. He didnt say the Holy Spirit wants Buhari, remember that.

italo:

Where did Fr Mbaka or anyone else claim that Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit?

What is the matter? Are you just agitated because the man is a Catholic Priest?

Were you not the one that made these statements?

italo:
I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

italo:

About my being uncomfortable, it is normal to be uncomfortable when the Holy Spirit does certain things...

Who is fooling who?

italo:

Which kind yeye question be dis? How can i know if it is true or not?

Simple. You don't know.

italo:

Fr Mbaka never said the entirety of his sermon was directly from the Holy Spirit. The article is still there for you to read.

Neither did he say the entire sermon was not directly from the Spirit.
However, he made it clear that he waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something, and the article above is the message he delivered. Also, he said that the Holy Spirit should help him deliver what he has been shown...so, it is safe to say that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as the source of his message. Disagree?

adsonstone:


Were you not the one that made these statements?




Who is fooling who?

No one ever said Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit. Grow up.

adsonstone:

Simple. You don't know.

And you do?

adsonstone:

Neither did he say the entire sermon was not directly from the Spirit.
However, he made it clear that he waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something, and the article above is the message he delivered. Also, he said that the Holy Spirit should help him deliver what he has been shown...so, it is safe to say that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as the source of his message. Disagree?

Which message?

italo:

No one ever said Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit. Grow up.

Alright.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done that you're uncomfortable with?

italo:

And you do?

I don't know but I know it is possible he's lying.

italo:

Which message?

His speech of course!
The article.

adsonstone:


Alright.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done that you're uncomfortable with?

What is the point?

adsonstone:

I don't know but I know it is possible he's lying.

And it is possible he is telling the truth.

adsonstone:

His speech of course!
The article.

I dont see where he said his "speech" is from the Holy Spirit. Can you show me?

italo:
I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

However, i find nothing wrong with the content of this sermon.

Nairaland Italo, tacitly supporting pius fraudsters since 2000BC.

italo:

What is the point?

The point?
Simply for honesty sake.

That's a simple question...it is better to say you can't tell than saying the above...it makes you seem dishonest and unaccountable to your words.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

italo:

And it is possible he is telling the truth.

Telling the truth that?

italo:

I dont see where he said his "speech" is from the Holy Spirit. Can you show me?

I didn't also say Fr Mbaka said his speech is from the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you did not get me or you're trying to twist the whole thing.

I said;
"However, he made it clear that he
waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something,
and the article above is the message he
delivered. Also, he said that the Holy
Spirit should help him deliver what he
has been shown...so, it is safe to say
that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as
the source of his message.

plaetton:


Nairaland Italo, tacitly supporting pius fraudsters since 2000BC.

Your frustration has been noticed, satan.

adsonstone:


The point?
Simply for honesty sake.

That's a simple question...it is better to say you can't tell than saying the above...it makes you seem dishonest and unaccountable to your words.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

You're in no position to tell me the "better" thing to say.

However, you are perfectly free to believe I lied... and that Fr Mbaka and the Holy Spirit have never made me uncomfortable. It would only be your ignorant belief though.

adsonstone:
Telling the truth that?

You didn't say what he might be telling lies about.

adsonstone:
I didn't also say Fr Mbaka said his speech is from the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you did not get me or you're trying to twist the whole thing.

I said;
"However, he made it clear that he
waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something,
and the article above is the message he
delivered. Also, he said that the Holy
Spirit should help him deliver what he
has been shown...so, it is safe to say
that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as
the source of his message.

"Message" could be just one line or two in the sermon. Yes or no?

italo:
You're in no position to tell me the "better" thing to say.

However, you are perfectly free to believe I lied... and that Fr Mbaka and the Holy Spirit have never made me uncomfortable. It would only be your ignorant belief though.
You didn't say what he might be telling lies about.

Still trying to evade the questions?
All these won't help.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

This is the third time I'm asking.

italo:

"Message" could be just one line or two in the sermon. Yes or no?

Yes.
Infact, "message" could be just a phrase or even a word in the whole sermon. I know that.

However, the whole sermon can be the message. No?

adsonstone:


Still trying to evade the questions?
All these won't help.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

This is the third time I'm asking.

I already said you can conclude what you like, so what's the point in asking these?

adsonstone:
Yes.
Infact, "message" could be just a phrase or even a word in the whole sermon. I know that.

However, the whole sermon can be the message. No?

Yes.

That's why I asked earlier "which message?"...when you asked this:

so, it is safe to say that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as the source of his message. Disagree?

Which message? A word, a phrase, or the whole sermon?

italo:
I already said you can conclude what you like, so what's the point in asking these?

The point is simply for honesty's sake.
I've said that before...and yet
you've not still answered.

Here are the questions again for the fourth time, in case you missed them the first three times.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

Will you answer or just agree that you're dishonest?

italo:

Yes.

That's why I asked earlier "which message?"...when you asked this:

Which message? A word, a phrase, or the whole sermon?

I pointed out something in his sermon...which is the claim he made that 'he received his message from the Holy Spirit.'

The only thing I need from you is to know whether you agree with this statement or not.

If you need to know the message in particular, it is up to you to determine what the message is from his sermon...or simply contact him and ask him.

If you ask if I agree or disagree with a statement made by my Pastor, I won't hesitate in answering unless I don't wanna answer which I will also state. I see no reason why you hesitant in agreeing to your Rev Fr's statement or otherwise.

adsonstone:


The point is simply for honesty's sake.
I've said that before...and yet
you've not still answered.

Here are the questions again for the fourth time, in case you missed them the first three times.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

Will you answer or just agree that you're dishonest?

And how many times do I have to tell you you can conclude what you like? 50?

adsonstone:
I pointed out something in his sermon...which is the claim he made that 'he received his message from the Holy Spirit.'

He said he was announcing change by the power of the Holy Spirit...from the Oracle of the Holy Spirit. "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize what he has shown to me while I was waiting on him to give me a message for my people?" "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize..."

I can conclude that he claimed to announce change from the oracle of the Holy Spirit. I can conclude that he claimed to recieve a message from the Holy Spirit. I cannot conclude that he ended up vocalizing it. It is very possible...but he never categorically said that.

adsonstone:
The only thing I need from you is to know whether you agree with this statement or not.

I already said 'how can I know whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not?'

adsonstone:
If you need to know the message in particular, it is up to you to determine what the message is from his sermon...or simply contact him and ask him.

But I dont need to know the particular message. What purpose will it serve?

adsonstone:
If you ask if I agree or disagree with a statement made by my Pastor, I won't hesitate in answering unless I don't wanna answer which I will also state. I see no reason why you hesitant in agreeing to your Rev Fr's statement or otherwise.

I told you a long time ago that the summary of his message was that we need change in Nigeria and that everyone agrees with that.

I already said "how can I know if his claim that he got a message from the Holy Spirit is true or not?"

Which of his statements am I hesitating to take a stand on?

italo:

And how many times do I have to tell you you can conclude what you like? 50?

Alright. I don't want to conclude

Here are the simple questions again for the fifth time.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

italo:

He said he was announcing change by the power of the Holy Spirit...from the Oracle of the Holy Spirit. "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize what he has shown to me while I was waiting on him to give me a message for my people?" "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize..."

I can conclude that he claimed to announce change from the oracle of the Holy Spirit. I can conclude that he claimed to recieve a message from the Holy Spirit. I cannot conclude that he ended up vocalizing it. It is very possible...but he never categorically said that.

You seem to be inconsistent with your words.
You have just said that;

italo:
He said he was announcing change by the power of the Holy Spirit...from the Oracle of the Holy Spirit.

Now, here you are again, saying;

italo:
...'how can I know whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not?'

You're not in a position to conclude since you don't know whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not....neither have you agreed or disagreed.

italo:
I told you a long time ago that the summary of his message was that we need change in Nigeria and that everyone agrees with that.

italo:
But I dont need to know the particular message. What purpose will it serve?

Then how can you know the summary of the message when you don't even know the message?

adsonstone:


Alright. I don't want to conclude

Here are the simple questions again for the fifth time.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

Again, what's the point? If it is to know whether I am honest or dishonest, I dont care.

So why should I answer?

adsonstone:
You seem to be inconsistent with your words.
You have just said that;



Now, here you are again, saying;

I am not inconsitent. "He said" in the first statement...doesn't mean "I know."

It is your reasoning that seems to be deficient.

adsonstone:
You're not in a position to conclude since you don't know whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not....neither have you agreed or disagreed.

I am not in a position to conclude what?

adsonstone:
Then how can you know the summary of the message when you don't even know the message?

I know the message from Fr Mbaka. I know the summary. What I don't know is the particular message from the Holy Spirit...which you were asking me about.

It seems you're getting confused.

italo:
Again, what's the point? If it is to know whether I am honest or dishonest, I dont care.

So why should I answer?

Why should you not answer?
It is a question concerning your statement.

I've told you why you should answer, you just said you don't care. Well that make zero difference neither is it an answer.

For the sixth time;
1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

italo:
I am not inconsitent. "He said" in the first statement...doesn't mean "I know."

I am not in a position to conclude what?
I know the message from Fr Mbaka. I know the summary.
What I don't know is the particular message from the Holy Spirit...which you were asking me about.

Instead of going in circles,
Lemme make things easier for you.

These are excerpts from his sermon.

1."By the grace of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing spiritually, change!"
Do you agree that this statement is "by the power of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No

2. "Listen, when you go home, tell anybody you see that from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing change (AMEN)."
Do you agree that this statement is "from the oracle of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No

3. "As things stand right now, from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, Jonathan should honourably resign quietly and let Nigeria be."
Do you agree that this statement is "from the oracle of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No


If he has received any other "particular message," that's not within his sermon, you can contact him for that...afterall, he's your Rev. Fr. I'm more concerned with the claims above.

italo:
It is your reasoning that seems to be deficient. It seems you're getting confused.

Trying to attack me?
Sorry, it won't help in any way.

Leave me and face the post.

adsonstone:

Why should you not answer?
It is a question concerning your statement.

I've told you why you should answer, you just said you don't care. Well that make zero difference neither is it an answer.

For the sixth time;
1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

What you said above makes zero difference, neither is it a good reason I should answer.

adsonstone:
Instead of going in circles,
Lemme make things easier for you.

These are excerpts from his sermon.

1."By the grace of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing spiritually, change!"
Do you agree that this statement is "by the power of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No

I don't know if it is. If I say in Jesus name, we are announcing change, can you agree or disagree that the statement is in Jesus' name?

adsonstone:
2. "Listen, when you go home, tell anybody you see that from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, we are announcing change (AMEN)."
Do you agree that this statement is "from the oracle of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No

I don't know. If I say from the sanctuary of the Lord, we are announcing change, can you agree or disagree that it is from the sanctuary of the Lord?

adsonstone:
3. "As things stand right now, from the oracle of the Holy Spirit, Jonathan should honourably resign quietly and let Nigeria be."
Do you agree that this statement is "from the oracle of the Holy Spirit?" Yes/No

I don't know? Do you?

adsonstone:
Trying to attack me?
Sorry, it won't help in any way.

Leave me and face the post.

Your post is a product of your reasoning. You said I seemed inconsistent when you seemed deficient.

Who is attacking who?

You seem forgetful too.

Rev. Mbaka is a charlatan. Of course, not surprising given that Nigerians adore charlatans . The brains are not hardwired for critical rational thinking, so charlatanism is embraced and adored by the low IQs.

Mbaka is the Catholic and Southeast version of the numerous other crooks and snake-oil salesmen that litter the southwest landscape, spreading their sweet smelling, but toxic garbage to the mentally weak plaebians.

His animist twist to Catholicism should be an embarrassment to the Catholic church and humble and low-key approach in spreading the message of Jesus by examples.

But they tolerate him because he draws in huge crowds of mindless plaebians that would have otherwise drifted into the dark and bottomless pits of Pentecostal madness and fraud.

@Italo,
For once , try to call a charlatan a charlatan.

plaetton:
Rev. Mbaka is a charlatan. Of course, not surprising given that Nigerians adore charlatans . The brains are not hardwired for critical rational thinking, so charlatanism is embraced and adored by the low IQs.

Mbaka is the Catholic and Southeast version of the numerous other crooks and snake-oil salesmen that litter the southwest landscape, spreading their sweet smelling, but toxic garbage to the mentally weak plaebians.

His animist twist to Catholicism should be an embarrassment to the Catholic church and humble and low-key approach in spreading the message of Jesus by examples.

But they tolerate him because he draws in huge crowds of mindless plaebians that would have otherwise drifted into the dark and bottomless pits of Pentecostal madness and fraud.

@Italo,
For once , try to call a charlatan a charlatan.

Your frustration has been noticed.

italo:
What you said above makes zero difference, neither is it a good reason I should answer.

Even if I give another good reason, you may not answer...will you?


For the seventh time, I ask again;

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

This will be the last time I'll ask.

italo:
I don't know if it is. If I say in Jesus name, we are announcing change, can you agree or disagree that the statement is in Jesus' name?

If it is within a message/speech/article, yes, I can...depending on the context of the whole message/speech.

The only instance I can't is if that's the only statement made.

italo:

I don't know. If I say from the sanctuary of the Lord, we are announcing change, can you agree or disagree that it is from the sanctuary of the Lord?

Maybe.

italo:
I don't know? Do you?

If you don't know, then how can you be sure you're learning the truth in Church?


By the way, I don't. How can I?
He's not my Rev. Fr, neither is he my Pastor nor my teacher.

....but he's yours, you can always reach him.

italo:
Your post is a product of your reasoning. You said I seemed inconsistent when you seemed deficient.

Who is attacking who?

You seem forgetful too.

You posts began going in circles and that was the reason for saying you seemed inconsistent.

Anyway, if you say I seem deficient, confused or forgetful, I'm not bothered, I know I'm not.

...so, all those won't work.

adsonstone:

Even if I give another good reason, you may not answer...will you?


For the seventh time, I ask again;

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

This will be the last time I'll ask.

Even if you ask a million times, I will only answer if I find a good reason to.

adsonstone:
If it is within a message/speech/article, yes, I can...depending on the context of the whole message/speech.

The only instance I can't is if that's the only statement made.

Maybe.

I don't see a difference between your responses above and the "I don't know" I said. Even if there were, you cant say your response is more reasonable than mine.

adsonstone:
If you don't know, then how can you be sure you're learning the truth in Church?

The same way Paul confirmed his own teaching and that of the Judaizers. He went to the teaching office of the Church in Jerusalem.

The priest only has to conform to Church teaching on faith and morals. The election is outside this. I can always confirm what I hear in Church from the documented teachings of the Church.

Are you about to tell me a joke that every word ever spoken by every deeper life pastor is true?

adsonstone:
By the way, I don't. How can I?
He's not my Rev. Fr, neither is he my Pastor nor my teacher.

....but he's yours, you can always reach him.

You know he is my priest yet you're the one developing a headache on my behalf...even after I told you I am not interested in knowing more about the message because it wont serve any purpose.

Why are you more interested in my priest's message than I am?

You need to find out what is unsettling you.

adsonstone:
You posts began going in circles and that was the reason for saying you seemed inconsistent.

Anyway, if you say I seem deficient, confused or forgetful, I'm not bothered, I know I'm not.

...so, all those won't work.

My posts were going in circles in response to yours which were going in circles.

italo:

Even if you ask a million times, I will only answer if I find a good reason to.

Thank you for your time.

italo:

I don't see a difference between your responses above and the "I don't know" I said. Even if there were, you cant say your response is more reasonable than mine.

Thank you for your response.

italo:

The same way Paul confirmed his own teaching and that of the Judaizers. He went to the teaching office of the Church in Jerusalem.

The priest only has to conform to Church teaching on faith and morals. The election is outside this. I can always confirm what I hear in Church from the documented teachings of the Church.

How did the bereans confirm what they learned in Church?

italo:

Are you about to tell me a joke that every word ever spoken by every deeper life pastor is true?

Every word? No.

italo:

You know he is my priest yet you're the one developing a headache on my behalf...even after I told you I am not interested in knowing more about the message because it wont serve any purpose.

Why are you more interested in my priest's message than I am?

You need to find out what is unsettling you.

Less than two months ago, the same Priest endorsed the same candidate who he has now declared that "the destiny of Nigeria is greater than Him."

He has made a sudden u-turn.

Besides, it seems the Church/Church faithfuls disagree with him.

http://leadership.ng/news/399872/catholic-
church-disagrees-father-mbaka

adsonstone:


How did the bereans confirm what they learned in Church?

The Bereans were not in Church in Acts 17:11. They were in the Synagogue and were not Christians yet. They confirmed what Paul told them by searching the Old Testament...just like the Aeropagites came to understand Paul's message by his use of their pagan tradition. Should Christians emulate these in Church?

How did the Bereans get baptized and receive Communion? Did they see it in the OT or did they believe the authority of Paul's word?

How did Christians decide on if the gentiles had to be circumcised or not in Acts 15? Did all Christians search the Bible themselves or did they go to the leaders of the Church?

adsonstone:
Every word? No.

Same with Priests.

adsonstone:
Less than two months ago, the same Priest endorsed the same candidate who he has now declared that "the destiny of Nigeria is greater than Him."

He has made a sudden u-turn.

So? Is it a sin for a Priest to make a sudden u-turn?

Did Prophets in Bible never make u-turn?

adsonstone:
Besides, it seems the Church/Church faithfuls disagree with him.

http://leadership.ng/news/399872/catholic-
church-disagrees-father-mbaka

So? Is it an abomination for the Church or some faithful to disagree with a priest?

Did Paul not disagree with Peter?

italo:
The Bereans were not in Church in Acts 17:11. They were in the Synagogue and were not Christians yet. They confirmed what Paul told them by searching the Old Testament...just like the Aeropagites came to understand Paul's message by his use of their pagan tradition. Should Christians emulate these in Church?

Christians should confirm whatever they are taught as admonished by Paul.

italo:

How did the Bereans get baptized and receive Communion? Did they see it in the OT or did they believe the authority of Paul's word?

How did Christians decide on if the gentiles had to be circumcised or not in Acts 15? Did all Christians search the Bible themselves or did they go to the leaders of the Church?

Jesus commanded the baptism and the Communion, which was also documented. However, believers had to believe and act on the Apostles' words.

italo:

So? Is it a sin for a Priest to make a sudden u-turn?

Did Prophets in Bible never make u-turn?

So? Is it an abomination for the Church or some faithful to disagree with a priest?

Did Paul not disagree with Peter?

Paul disagreed with Peter because he did something wrong....Peter was being hypocritical.
I don't see the Church/Church faithfuls disagree with something which isn't wrong.

So, something must be wrong somewhere.