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Omniscience And Freewill by justlove91(m): 2:08pm On Mar 01, 2015
Most people think omniscience is the ability of God to know 100% what every choice we will make yet they also claim we have free will, but if God can know 100% what your choice will be then it can't be called freewill again because you can not change it, it must come to pass. But this is an error!
The omniscience of God lies in is ability to know 100% what the CONSEQUENCES of your choice will be not necessarily knowing what your choice will be. To explain further, we've many alternatives and choices to make in life, now the omniscience of God permits Him to know all of the alternatives and the consequences of each one but God don't know 100% already what your what choice you will choose but no matter what choice you choose He knows the consequences already.
I keep repeating 100% because it's possible for God to guess or predict what your choice will be based on your pass choices just like we humans can also guess or predict what the choice of the other is going to be and be correct, it is just prediction and can change. But since God can guess your choice more perfectly than we can possibly do, we then think God knows already what our choice will be.
When you think of God omniscience in this sense then it becomes very complex because he has to know the consequences of every choice even the ones you are not going to choose whereas if He knows what you will choose already He only needs to know the consequences of this single choice.
This is the reason why many prophesies don't come to pass because every prophesy is a prediction of the future manifestation of which depends completely on human freewill, so if anybody makes a prophesy but didn't later come to pass, it doesn't mean he is a liar just that the human concerned with it's manifestation choose other choice.
Many Christians belief Jesus coming into earth has been known and sealed even before man sin because God knows they will sin, but this is false, it just that God knows every possible thing that is LIKELY to happen so already prepared for it, so nothing ever caught Him unaware.
NOTE: I don't believe in Jesus death to save humanity but His words.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by An2elect2(f): 4:10pm On Mar 01, 2015
This is how people speak when they are without divine authority. Presumptuous.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by justlove91(m): 7:14am On Mar 02, 2015
An2elect2:
This is how people speak when they are without divine authority. Presumptuous.
Your signature says it all, and if I may ask where can one find the word of God.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by Kay17: 5:51pm On Apr 24, 2015
justlove91:
Most people think omniscience is the ability of God to know 100% what every choice we will make yet they also claim we have free will, but if God can know 100% what your choice will be then it can't be called freewill again because you can not change it, it must come to pass. But this is an error!
The omniscience of God lies in is ability to know 100% what the CONSEQUENCES of your choice will be not necessarily knowing what your choice will be. To explain further, we've many alternatives and choices to make in life, now the omniscience of God permits Him to know all of the alternatives and the consequences of each one but God don't know 100% already what your what choice you will choose but no matter what choice you choose He knows the consequences already.
I keep repeating 100% because it's possible for God to guess or predict what your choice will be based on your pass choices just like we humans can also guess or predict what the choice of the other is going to be and be correct, it is just prediction and can change. But since God can guess your choice more perfectly than we can possibly do, we then think God knows already what our choice will be.
When you think of God omniscience in this sense then it becomes very complex because he has to know the consequences of every choice even the ones you are not going to choose whereas if He knows what you will choose already He only needs to know the consequences of this single choice.
This is the reason why many prophesies don't come to pass because every prophesy is a prediction of the future manifestation of which depends completely on human freewill, so if anybody makes a prophesy but didn't later come to pass, it doesn't mean he is a liar just that the human concerned with it's manifestation choose other choice.
Many Christians belief Jesus coming into earth has been known and sealed even before man sin because God knows they will sin, but this is false, it just that God knows every possible thing that is LIKELY to happen so already prepared for it, so nothing ever caught Him unaware.
NOTE: I don't believe in Jesus death to save humanity but His words.

What I could understand from the above is that God does not really know about the future with sufficient certainty rather God is aware of all the possible outcomes/consequences. This view I think you are trying to spread, is contrary to what most people hold about omniscience. Most people think God being omniscient means he knows as of certainty the future with absolute certainty not a possibility of alternate outcomes.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by Scholar8200(m): 9:23am On Apr 25, 2015
Deuteronomy 29:29," The secret things belong unto the Lord our GOD: but those things which are revealed belong to us. . . " There are mysteries revealed to us and there are some not revealed. The safest position to take is GOD's Omniscience as Scripture reveals it within each passage's context! Delusion starts when we apply one context's declaration to another context (sans the Leading of the Spirit), or when, in trying to gratify our limited, under-utilised intellect, we draw some inferences inconsistent with that which is revealed in scripture.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by Kay17: 6:05pm On Apr 25, 2015
Scholar8200:
Deuteronomy 29:29," The secret things belong unto the Lord our GOD: but those things which are revealed belong to us. . . " There are mysteries revealed to us and there are some not revealed. The safest position to take is GOD's Omniscience as Scripture reveals it within each passage's context! Delusion starts when we apply one context's declaration to another context (sans the Leading of the Spirit), or when, in trying to gratify our limited, under-utilised intellect, we draw some inferences inconsistent with that which is revealed in scripture.

That would be the case if everyone in the world agrees the Bible is not a human creation with superhuman/supernatural knowledge. However since most of the people in the world, don't see anything superhuman about the Bible, it is taken for it is.
Re: Omniscience And Freewill by frank317: 7:04pm On Apr 25, 2015
justlove91:
Most people think omniscience is the ability of God to know 100% what every choice we will make yet they also claim we have free will, but if God can know 100% what your choice will be then it can't be called freewill again because you can not change it, it must come to pass. But this is an error!
The omniscience of God lies in is ability to know 100% what the CONSEQUENCES of your choice will be not necessarily knowing what your choice will be. To explain further, we've many alternatives and choices to make in life, now the omniscience of God permits Him to know all of the alternatives and the consequences of each one but God don't know 100% already what your what choice you will choose but no matter what choice you choose He knows the consequences already.
I keep repeating 100% because it's possible for God to guess or predict what your choice will be based on your pass choices just like we humans can also guess or predict what the choice of the other is going to be and be correct, it is just prediction and can change. But since God can guess your choice more perfectly than we can possibly do, we then think God knows already what our choice will be.
When you think of God omniscience in this sense then it becomes very complex because he has to know the consequences of every choice even the ones you are not going to choose whereas if He knows what you will choose already He only needs to know the consequences of this single choice.
This is the reason why many prophesies don't come to pass because every prophesy is a prediction of the future manifestation of which depends completely on human freewill, so if anybody makes a prophesy but didn't later come to pass, it doesn't mean he is a liar just that the human concerned with it's manifestation choose other choice.
Many Christians belief Jesus coming into earth has been known and sealed even before man sin because God knows they will sin, but this is false, it just that God knows every possible thing that is LIKELY to happen so already prepared for it, so nothing ever caught Him unaware.
NOTE: I don't believe in Jesus death to save humanity but His words.

See how u dissect God (if he exists) like ur mate or like ur fellow human being.

Pray tell me, what exactly do u know about what/who ever creates the whole universe. U have no idea, how this world came about. Even in the bible, the world existed in darkness without light before ur God came to put thins together.

I don't know if God exists.... But even if he really does... He can't be that confused fellow u are talking about. Our mind can't just make sense of him.

So instead of wasting time pretending the fellow the bible talks about is God... Why don't we concentrate on making the best of the life we know.

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