johnw74:

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus Christ is the only name given under Heaven by which we must be saved.

Jesus is our Salvation.




Isa_12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Jehovah is our Salvation.

bingbagbo:


Zechariah 12:10

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.


JESUS IS THE FATHER

THE SON IS THE FATHER

bingbagbo:

Isaiah 9:6New International Version (NIV)

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

POINT: JESUS SHALL BE CALLED EVERLASTING FATHER

John 14:17-19New International Version (NIV)

17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Only a father can speak like this (An orphan has no father remember)

John 14:26

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom[b] the Father will send[/b] in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

But if I depart, I will send the Comforter unto you —John 16:7 ....substitute father for i

1 Corinthians 1:24

But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

TO BE CONTINUED

naijaclinic:


Oga you ignored the line where Jesus was called "Mighty God" as opposed to "Almighty God".
I guess you were only interested in the word "father".

Of cos Jesus deserves all the titles he is called. However if the purpose your post is to make Jesus same as Jehovah, you'll have your work cut out. You may need to change the topic since your "proofs" are denying themselves.

johnw74:


In as much as Jesus and the Father is God, but they are two persons,
the Father said when Jesus was baptised, "this is My Beloved Son",
and Jesus prayed to the Father "Our Father who is in Heaven"...
Also, God and the Word, are God, and are two persons,
they spoke with each other, "let Us make man in Our image"...etc.

So the Son isn't the Father, the Son is the Word, the Father is God, they are two persons in the One God.

bingbagbo:


GOD IS ONE......they are not two persons....the same person.....the voice that said "my beloved son" was a sign unto John the baptist that JESUS was the one he had been preparing the way for....

As for Jesus prayed to the father....remember the father was in HIM (JESUS), and all righteousness had to be fulfilled....

JESUS IS SAME AS THE FATHER.....

That was why when he was asked show us the father in John 14:8....he answered " Even when i have been that long with you, you still dont know me?"..."how can you ask me to show you the father?, anyone that has seen me has seen the father"

further references: DEUTERONOMY 6:4, JAMES 2:19, JOHN 10:30, JOHN 1:1, ZACHARIAH 12:10, TITUS 2:13, 2 PETER 1:1, ACTS 20:28, JOHN 20:28, REVELATIONS 22:12-16...........1 TIMOTHY 3:16

johnw74:


It was more than a sign, it was the the Fathers voice from Heaven.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

There in that verse are the three persons of God at one time,
the Holy ghost in bodily shape descending on the body of Jesus and the Fathers voice from Heaven saying "Thou art my beloved Son".
Holy Ghost, Father, Son = three persons.



Jesus wasn't talking to the Father in Him, but to the Father in Heaven.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven...

Jesus again talks to the Father, not to Himself:
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...

God is one God, Father and Son are two persons.





Yes He is the same as the Father, but not the Father, He is the son.




Because as you said, He is the same as the Father, the father and the son are God.



re those verses, We know our God is One God,
Our God, is God and the Word, two persons of the Godhead, One God.

I won't go into the Holy Spirit here.

THEN YOU DONT BELIEVE GOD IS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ISAIAH 9:6....JESUS IS CALLED THE EVERLASTING FATHER!!!!!!

bingbagbo:


THEN YOU DONT BELIEVE GOD IS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ISAIAH 9:6....JESUS IS CALLED THE EVERLASTING FATHER!!!!!!

johnw74:


That's ridiculous, how many times have I said God is One God? that's like the jw's who keep falsely saying:
you believe Jesus is "a" god.



Because God and the Word is God,
because the Father and Jesus is God

God and the Word, the Father and the Son are two persons,
there are many verses in the Bible where God and the Word speak together,
there are many places in the Bible where the Father and Jesus speak together.
God and the Word, Father and Son are two persons.


Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

There in that verse is the Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ, and the voice of the Father from Heaven, together at the same time.

God is One, means that God is the only One true God.
It doesn't mean that He is one person.
You say that the Son is the Father, doesn't that mean the Father and the Son is one person?
that doesn't even make sense, they are One God not one person.

Perhaps you don't believe that God and the Word, is God,
two persons in the One True God.

NEWBIN:


that's laughable.............

The bible has a plethora of this quote...."there is no God but me"..........study your bible.....JESUS IS THE FATHER......

What happened during John's baptism was only a sign. CHRIST WAS THE FATHER ON EARTH.

johnw74:


Wow, there are two of you that say Jesus is the Father.
God is the Father and the Word is Jesus, they are both God, not both the same person.



And you tell me to study the bible.



That verse wasn't just a sign, it was literal.

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

With false doctrines, the meaning of scriptures often have to be changed.

NEWBIN:


if it was literal, then it means according to you, the father has no power and no wisdom, WHICH IS BLASPHEMY see..1 corinthians 1:24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


SO AS CHRIST WAS APART FROM THE FATHER......YOU SEE

bingbagbo:

Isaiah 9:6New International Version (NIV)

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

POINT: JESUS SHALL BE CALLED EVERLASTING FATHER

John 14:17-19New International Version (NIV)

17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Only a father can speak like this (An orphan has no father remember)

John 14:26

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

But if I depart, I will send the Comforter unto you —John 16:7 ....substitute father for i

1 Corinthians 1:24

But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

TO BE CONTINUED

bingbagbo:


Zechariah 12:10

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.


JESUS IS THE FATHER

THE SON IS THE FATHER

An2elect2:
Oh am so loving this thread!!! This is so true!!! We have only one God and He is [size=14pt]no other[/size] but Jesus Christ!!!

johnw74:

Is the Father not God?

An2elect2:

Yes He is and He is also the saviour, the Christ.

Freksy:



Adam was our first father. He would have been alive till date, and no mankind would have experienced death if his relationship with God was intact. When he (Adam, our first father) lost his precious relationship with God, we all need, as it were, a new father. God sent his Son from heaven to be that new Adam to replace the first one. The Bible says: “‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.”

Jesus, “the last Adam,” is like “the first man Adam” in that He was a perfect man, capable of fathering perfect offspring, who could live forever in perfection on earth.— Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4. It is because of this that Jesus is prophetically described at Isaiah 9:6 as "everlasting father". His fatherhood will give us everlasting life, unlike that of our first father/Adam. If we exercise faith in Jesus, he will become both our 'everlasting father' and our 'savior'.




Your earlier quote in bold tells us how he will accomplish John 16:7....by telling his father to send.

If a message is sent in your name, as you requested, it's as good as saying "you sent it".

None of the above submission by you is proof that Jesus is the father that sent Jesus.

An2elect2:
Oh am so loving this thread!!! This is so true!!! We have only one God and He is no other but Jesus Christ!!!

johnw74:


Then besides Jesus Christ the Father is another that is God?

An2elect2:


They are one.

johnw74:


You said Jesus Christ is God
and you said the Father is God
Why can't you say Jesus Christ and the Father are two persons?
they are One God yes
but you don't believe like some others here that Jesus Christ and the Father is one person
do you?