I need someone who will teach me hands-on Python intensively for about 3weeks.
Possible?

Go to Sambisa Forest and you'll see a cobra. I believe a cobra can teach you python well.

Me too urgent help needed

Hey guys...if you need a personal tutor on python. contact me via my email.
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Please stop learning this slow stupid language and just switch to java for everything.

Borwe:
Please stop learning this slow stupid language and just switch to java for everything.

a post not backed by facts.
how is python slow?

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I AM HARDLY EVER IRRITATED but this is one of the few comments that have made me want to puke...

Borwe:
Please stop learning this slow stupid language and just switch to java for everything.

PS: Not because am a python-head (which i am) but because it speaks bad about the mentality of many-a-programmer

'programming languages are tools meant to lessen the art of problem solving through code' java has its uses, c# has its niche and python is king in some areas. THIS IS NOT MY 2CENTS

Anyone here ever dared to use the so called super cool GUI creation libraries in python? Well I did. Shit looks easy at firest and gets you addicted to Python but when you go beyond creating some stupid hello world GUI to some more advanced ones, well Python starts looking like shit, lags like shit. It is said that simple games like Super Mario with 2d graphics will need a computer with i3 core, with about some 2+ ghz processors. I call that crap.

Yes I Have... When I Started learning python the first thing i did was port all my preexisting C# applications to python for cross platform portability.

I DON'T DO WEBAPPS A FRACTION AS MUCH AS I WRITE DISTRIBUTED ENTERPRISE DESKTOP APPLICATIONS AND PYTHON HAS NOT FAILED ME

Borwe:
Anyone here ever dared to use the so called super cool GUI creation libraries in python? Well I did. Shit looks easy at firest and gets you addicted to Python but when you go beyond creating some stupid hello world GUI to some more advanced ones, well Python starts looking like shit, lags like shit. It is said that simple games like Super Mario with 2d graphics will need a computer with i3 core, with about some 2+ ghz processors. I call that crap.

Care to share the library/libraries you used?

Here is some prove for you...
Only reason python is cool is cause it is some how faster and easier when at writing code. But shit slow when it comes to performing the codes. WHat's the point of writing short code that lags and save 1 hour instead of writing java code that will run smoothly but probably need more code and more time to code.

Java code is compiled into byte code and then moved to the JVM to be turned to native code to excecute by the system.
Main steps after compiling java code to running it is:
ByteCode-->(by JVM)Native Code;

But Python code is written without byte code compilation. This is done in the back scene so before running a single line of code it it transformed to bytecode by the python interpreter then to native code all on the go. So everytime you run the program you have to generate bytecode over and over and over again. While Java compiles into bytecode for its JVM and excecutes only once. No need to recreate the byte code over and over again.

That is the main reason why Python sucks in performance compared to Java.

Borwe:
Here is some prove for you...
Only reason python is cool is cause it is some how faster and easier when at writing code. But shit slow when it comes to performing the codes. WHat's the point of writing short code that lags and save 1 hour instead of writing java code that will run smoothly but probably need more code and more time to code.

Java code is compiled into byte code and then moved to the JVM to be turned to native code to excecute by the system.
Main steps after compiling java code to running it is:
ByteCode-->(by JVM)Native Code;

But Python code is written without byte code compilation. This is done in the back scene so before running a single line of code it it transformed to bytecode by the python interpreter then to native code all on the go. So everytime you run the program you have to generate bytecode over and over and over again. While Java compiles into bytecode for its JVM and excecutes only once. No need to recreate the byte code over and over again.

That is the main reason why Python sucks in performance compared to Java.

Bro I've used Python extensively and equally Java. If you really knew this two programming languages like you claim you wouldn't even dare compare them with each other (as in they are not even related). They both have their perks and caveats. We should try to maintain some professionalism when writing up post in this forum abeg.

Some beginner programmer will read a your post on python being slow and skip learning python entirely cause you said so. VLC(and many more solid application such as GNU radio) is of the most fastest media player I've come across and it might interest you to know that it was written in python. Or try doing some Digital Signal Processing (DSP) with Java as against python...life go tire you. Even for Image processing I'll def pick Python before Java. I rarely write GUI application in python however I develop most of all my utility tools in python. That said because I use them both so much for so different stuffs, please don't compare them as it is not worth it. And don't discourage people from learning either of them.

The delay in your GUI might even be as a result of the code your wrote or the GUI framework your used. It's an hasty conclusion to say that python is slow as poo (Whatever that means)

Borwe:
Please stop learning this slow stupid language and just switch to java for everything.

Choi!! You called Python silly and slow. In fact, i rest my case.

kudaisi:
Bro I've used Python extensively and equally Java. If you really knew this two programming languages like you claim you wouldn't even dare compare them with each other (as in they are not even related). They both have their perks and caveats. We should try to maintain some professionalism when writing up post in this forum abeg.

Some beginner programmer will read a your post on python being slow and skip learning python entirely cause you said so. VLC(and many more solid application such as GNU radio) is of the most fastest media player I've come across and it might interest you to know that it was written in python. Or try doing some Digital Signal Processing (DSP) with Java as against python...life go tire you. Even for Image processing I'll def pick Python before Java. I rarely write GUI application in python however I develop most of all my utility tools in python. That said because I use them both so much for so different stuffs, please don't compare them as it is not worth it. And don't discourage people from learning either of them.

The delay in your GUI might even be as a result of the code your wrote or the GUI framework your used. It's an hasty conclusion to say that python is slow as poo (Whatever that means)

You read my mind

I tweeted about this.... let me look for it and put it here for historical reasons.

**modified**

We have so many #programming languages because they are just tools, meant to lessen the difficulties of problem solving through #code.

Borwe:
Here is some prove for you...
Only reason python is cool is cause it is some how faster and easier when at writing code. But shit slow when it comes to performing the codes. WHat's the point of writing short code that lags and save 1 hour instead of writing java code that will run smoothly but probably need more code and more time to code.

Java code is compiled into byte code and then moved to the JVM to be turned to native code to excecute by the system.
Main steps after compiling java code to running it is:
ByteCode-->(by JVM)Native Code;

But Python code is written without byte code compilation. This is done in the back scene so before running a single line of code it it transformed to bytecode by the python interpreter then to native code all on the go. So everytime you run the program you have to generate bytecode over and over and over again. While Java compiles into bytecode for its JVM and excecutes only once. No need to recreate the byte code over and over again.

That is the main reason why Python sucks in performance compared to Java.

1. Only reason python is cool? ::: It's not just about being a RAD tool or simplicity of its syntax. Extensibility, Portability, Community, Massive Libraries ETC ETC... i.e. python lets you get to the crux of the reason why you write code (to solve problems) without any overheads or unnecessary rites or rituals. (see code snippets below: 'all i want to do is print all numbers less than a given value')

//java
class ABC{
    public static void main(String[] args){
        for(int num = 0; num < 10; num++){
            System.out.println(num);
        }//end of for
    }//end of main
}//end of class

#python

num = 0
while num < 10:
    print num
    num += 1

As you can see above i can get to the meat of the problem i want to solve in python without the needed overhead of creating a class, then a main method, and all that jazz.

2. Python is slower than java? ::: Programming languages have no inherent speed. Let me explain, what you decide to implement using a language is what can be timed not the language itself. (most times the speed difference will put java microseconds ahead of python, however some times i.e. karastuba's algorithm - python is faster)

3. Python is slow because its interpreted? ::: leaking roof argument.... google .pyc

SUMMARY::: Ever heard of a one trick horse, don't be a slave to technology sir. Flip it the other way and use it for what it truly is - i.e. Technology should never prevent you from doing a thing, on the contrary technology as a concept was born to drive productivity.

Bro, I know about pyc. It supposed to be the bytecode compiled version of python raw code. As you said python is simple to read, understand and implement what you want while saving time. And you claim that there is no such thing as performance comparisons?

Hmmmm. Now here is where I laugh. Well you see Python bytecode or raw code all try to compile to native code at runtime, mean while native code is what c++ and c programs compile to before running. With this fact well, you see, python is going to be slower than c++ at everything due to the extra steps taken to run the program at runtime. On the other hand java is still faster than python but slower than c++ for this same reason. And if you go onto compare PHP, you will find out it's even slower than python, due to it's crappy, hence is only used on servers, Haven't seen any simple php program that runs stand alone in my life.

Now here is the reason why Java is faster than python. As you said python simplifies coding, making it easier to understand. But this simplicity causes difficulty during compile time and runtime due to it's different coding characteristics as compared to c++ or c. Meanwhile java coding is slightly similar to c++ coding, all main excecutables must have main methods, etc.. only real difference is limited memory managment on java as compared to c++ since the jvm handles everything. Now seeing that java codes are more similar to c++ codes than python will ever be the bytecode to native code process works better and faster since it is almost the same.

And what is this about different Languagess boosting tecnology?
WOW! all this many languages just try to imitate the idea java came up with, way back when you was even probably born(I know I wasnt). Python is using virtual machine to translate it's bytecode to native code, and this is one of the main characteristics of java. And java just tried to make c++ easier to learn and implement without the hustle of compiling or optimizing codes for particular machines, java would do that for you with jvm.
Picture this, Android started from back in 2006( lets make it in likes of java, hell it's main language for programming is java!!), and then Samsung, Blackberry, come up with their own versions Operating systems, which claim to be able to run android apps and do more(Make this python and all those other script languages, Ruby etc, claiming they can do what java does and more), but the down side is that they suck at performance on android apps( Yeah, I am talking about Tizen and Blackberry 10+ OS). So eventually Android is still king and this others are it's servants. )((Java rules over others why you think google didn't use python for android instead of java? because java has better performance. ))

Borwe:
Anyone here ever dared to use the so called super cool GUI creation libraries in python? Well I did. Shit looks easy at firest and gets you addicted to Python but when you go beyond creating some stupid hello world GUI to some more advanced ones, well Python starts looking like shit, lags like shit. It is said that simple games like Super Mario with 2d graphics will need a computer with i3 core, with about some 2+ ghz processors. I call that crap.

if you are building a serious gui app, you need to at least have a "thread creator" class which you ship your tasks to.
I have used tkinter, i currently use QT and i am yet to experience any of the nightmares you listed.

You dont do major tasks on the main thread, which is obviously the same thread the GUI is on. your app will freeze.

Sigh(SMH) .... I have heard you!

Borwe:
Bro, I know about pyc. It supposed to be the bytecode compiled version of python raw code. As you said python is simple to read, understand and implement what you want while saving time. And you claim that there is no such thing as performance comparisons?

Hmmmm. Now here is where I laugh. Well you see Python bytecode or raw code all try to compile to native code at runtime, mean while native code is what c++ and c programs compile to before running. With this fact well, you see, python is going to be slower than c++ at everything due to the extra steps taken to run the program at runtime. On the other hand java is still faster than python but slower than c++ for this same reason. And if you go onto compare PHP, you will find out it's even slower than python, due to it's crappy, hence is only used on servers, Haven't seen any simple php program that runs stand alone in my life.

Now here is the reason why Java is faster than python. As you said python simplifies coding, making it easier to understand. But this simplicity causes difficulty during compile time and runtime due to it's different coding characteristics as compared to c++ or c. Meanwhile java coding is slightly similar to c++ coding, all main excecutables must have main methods, etc.. only real difference is limited memory managment on java as compared to c++ since the jvm handles everything. Now seeing that java codes are more similar to c++ codes than python will ever be the bytecode to native code process works better and faster since it is almost the same.

And what is this about different Languagess boosting tecnology?
WOW! all this many languages just try to imitate the idea java came up with, way back when you was even probably born(I know I wasnt). Python is using virtual machine to translate it's bytecode to native code, and this is one of the main characteristics of java. And java just tried to make c++ easier to learn and implement without the hustle of compiling or optimizing codes for particular machines, java would do that for you with jvm.
Picture this, Android started from back in 2006( lets make it in likes of java, hell it's main language for programming is java!!), and then Samsung, Blackberry, come up with their own versions Operating systems, which claim to be able to run android apps and do more(Make this python and all those other script languages, Ruby etc, claiming they can do what java does and more), but the down side is that they suck at performance on android apps( Yeah, I am talking about Tizen and Blackberry 10+ OS). So eventually Android is still king and this others are it's servants. )((Java rules over others why you think google didn't use python for android instead of java? because java has better performance. ))

PS: I feel sad when I see sum1 (especially Nigerian programmers) get stuck in the java/c#/haskell/python/lisp/c is king mentality. Someday you might get it... for now my advice to you is - "Shut up and write some code".

Borwe:
Bro, I know about pyc. It supposed to be the bytecode compiled version of python raw code. As you said python is simple to read, understand and implement what you want while saving time. And you claim that there is no such thing as performance comparisons?

Hmmmm. Now here is where I laugh. Well you see Python bytecode or raw code all try to compile to native code at runtime, mean while native code is what c++ and c programs compile to before running. With this fact well, you see, python is going to be slower than c++ at everything due to the extra steps taken to run the program at runtime. On the other hand java is still faster than python but slower than c++ for this same reason. And if you go onto compare PHP, you will find out it's even slower than python, due to it's crappy, hence is only used on servers, Haven't seen any simple php program that runs stand alone in my life.

Now here is the reason why Java is faster than python. As you said python simplifies coding, making it easier to understand. But this simplicity causes difficulty during compile time and runtime due to it's different coding characteristics as compared to c++ or c. Meanwhile java coding is slightly similar to c++ coding, all main excecutables must have main methods, etc.. only real difference is limited memory managment on java as compared to c++ since the jvm handles everything. Now seeing that java codes are more similar to c++ codes than python will ever be the bytecode to native code process works better and faster since it is almost the same.

And what is this about different Languagess boosting tecnology?
WOW! all this many languages just try to imitate the idea java came up with, way back when you was even probably born(I know I wasnt). Python is using virtual machine to translate it's bytecode to native code, and this is one of the main characteristics of java. And java just tried to make c++ easier to learn and implement without the hustle of compiling or optimizing codes for particular machines, java would do that for you with jvm.
Picture this, Android started from back in 2006( lets make it in likes of java, hell it's main language for programming is java!!), and then Samsung, Blackberry, come up with their own versions Operating systems, which claim to be able to run android apps and do more(Make this python and all those other script languages, Ruby etc, claiming they can do what java does and more), but the down side is that they suck at performance on android apps( Yeah, I am talking about Tizen and Blackberry 10+ OS). So eventually Android is still king and this others are it's servants. )((Java rules over others why you think google didn't use python for android instead of java? because java has better performance. ))

you know u should provide benchmark to back up your rants.

language performance is debatable because language only have semantics not performance.
is like saying Arabic is faster than French.

language performance has to do with lots of factors like runtime,implementation, the coder himself & what have you.

sorting in o(n2) in Java is slower than o(nlogn) in python but then this is about implementation of a given task

It's quite interesting what this thread turned into - a Python vs Java debate.

Quite an interesting post.
Java which represent just a tea cup and python,a huge snake.
...guess the winner.lol.

Go for python if you are learning programming for the fun of it, go for Java if you are learning programming to make good GUIs and are interested in possibly learning c++ later on.