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Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by itzWarner(m): 4:09pm On May 10, 2015
iamord:
your talk is attributed to brainwash


And nobody is asking for your lame concern sucker
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Whobedatte(m): 4:13pm On May 10, 2015
roqchiq:
Stop confusing yourselves, the "bible" which you people like to quote is contradictory even in its simplest form. Since the beginning, humans have tried to explain their world and themselves, yet they seem to get more confused. Whether there is God or not, whether you believe or not. The overall message is simple and clear, LOVE (Not the diluted version you guys know). It's preached in every religion, understood in every language, encouraged by every folktale, and practised in every culture. True LOVE, that knows no colour, race, tribe, or religion. The LOVE which is "the beautiful scent that the flower leaves on the heels that crushed it".

I dare you to try it!!!!
LOVE. That's my religion
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 4:17pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


You didnt answer my question - is the fall of man as written in the bible , literal or figurative


Ok , I now understand why this is called theistic evolution Trying to say God is the cause



You need to start from the basics of evolution . You are picking pieces to suite your claim

What does "literal" mean to you? What about "figurative"? I already said Adam did not fall physically (which means literally), so what else are you asking again?

Do you mean the basics of evolution according to you? Or according to general scientific knowledge? Because from everything you've said, your own get semi colon.

What pieces am I picking now? All I've said is that I believe God directed the evolution process.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by nairalandbuzz(m): 4:20pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Not that book but his explanations + internet research answered most of the questions I had about creations . I also searched pre-adamic age on the internet and read about the talking snake . Do you know Dake's opinion about the talking snake is quite different from another research I made nairalandbuzz ?

Source?
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 4:21pm On May 10, 2015
nairalandbuzz:


For point 8. The passages quoted are not in line.

Quote me wrong... Uve been reading Gods plan for man by dake

Dake is the one that started all this falsehood about the preAdamic creation, and the Lucifer flood eisegesis. He's either reading Dake or else he has studied from someone that has taken Dake hook, line and sinker.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by fairheven: 4:21pm On May 10, 2015
DaPhilosopher:


Seems u did real whr i said 'my philosophical opinion'?

Can u explain how a spirit created sth material? The 'light' (C&S Hymn book said he saw His Back) Moses saw on that mountain was spiritual too right? When did fire 'matter' becomes spiritual?

It is better you leave my post and enjoy you religion!

C&S hymn? That is wat is giving u inspiration?you better go Forr an ordaination so u can become their BABA ALADURA
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:25pm On May 10, 2015
InesQor:


What does "literal" mean to you? What about "figurative"? I already said Adam did not fall physically (which means literally), so what else are you asking again?

Do you mean the basics of evolution according to you? Or according to general scientific knowledge? Because from everything you've said, your own get semi colon.

What pieces am I picking now? All I've said is that I believe God directed the evolution process.

1.Bro I quickly googled 'theistic evolutionist' and found this . Maybe you'd understand where am coming from

http://creation.com/10-dangers-of-theistic-evolution

2. Why are most evolutionists atheists?
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:28pm On May 10, 2015
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by MyMentor: 4:31pm On May 10, 2015
Deception on d highest order: Adam remain d 1st man; 2 Pt 3v5-7 is talking abt d time of Noah Gen. 7. Jere 4v23-26 is talking abt future judgment 2pt 3v10,11. Rev. 20v11. Dn't b dciv!
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:33pm On May 10, 2015
InesQor:


Dake is the one that started all this falsehood about the preAdamic creation, and the Lucifer flood eisegesis. He's either reading Dake or else he has studied from someone that has taken Dake hook, line and sinker.

off course am reading dake and it makes complete sense . I once tried to theistic evolution(I didnt know it was actually a thing , I just thought evolution started after the creation of Adam since articles suggest we are evolving even now , but slowly) in sec school to make my Christian beliefs and science compatible and now I know better
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by bond77: 4:36pm On May 10, 2015
linearity:


Not in all cases, you have to read within the context of the text to deduce that....When Joshua asked the Sun to standstill for one day in the battle of the Amorites, the Sun did not Standstill for a thousand years....also when the Bible said Jonah spend three days and three nights in the belly of a fish, that does not mean he spend three thousand years.

I agree, not in all cases. But sometimes the Bible speaks in figurative terms, some words can mean the opposite of what we think. Another example is that of Adam and eve when God told them that the day they should eat from the forbidden fruit, that is the day they will die. But they didn't die that same day, because Adam still lived for almost a thousand years so the rules of a day for a thousand years was still applied in this situation.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by iamord(m): 4:36pm On May 10, 2015
itzWarner:



And nobody is asking for your lame concern sucker
the truth is always bitter. If u want to speak, speak for yourself. Not everyone is as low IQ'd as you are to to grab what the op is saying . Just don't drag people into your ignoramus school of thought
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by macof(m): 4:37pm On May 10, 2015
Lol christianity redefined

Op the bible is very clear

The sun was created after the earth
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:37pm On May 10, 2015
MyMentor:
Deception on d highest order:
Adam remain d 1st man; 2 Pt 3v5-7 is talking abt d time of Noah Gen. 7.
Jere 4v23-26 is talking abt future judgment 2pt 3v10,11. Rev. 20v11.
Dn't b dciv!

explain the presence of fossils then and no , not with evolution
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by itzWarner(m): 4:38pm On May 10, 2015
iamord:
the truth is always bitter. If u want to speak, speak for yourself. Not everyone is as low IQ'd as you are to to grab what the op is saying . Just don't drag people into your ignoramus school of thought

God bless you even if you don't want bro
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 4:41pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


1.Bro I quickly googled 'theistic evolutionist' and found this . Maybe you'd understand where am coming from

http://creation.com/10-dangers-of-theistic-evolution

2. Why are most evolutionists atheists?

Okay so you're sending me a link to a creationist website arguing against theistic evolution. Should I start posting links of sites arguing for theistic evolution? Personally I'm not about all of that - searching the internet to support a religious stance. People have argued these things for centuries and the arguments still continue.

Most atheists believe only in evidence-based events. Science is all about evidences. Science shows that evolution occurred, so it makes sense for atheists to accept it.

The difference between their views on evolution and mine is that atheists believe evolution began from a random spontaneous event, and I believe God set that thing off.

Where we agree is that evolution took place at all.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by Nobody: 4:43pm On May 10, 2015
IYANGBALI:
I even hear say she be secondary school drop out,na rokiatu tell me o

hen hen, i tot as much, and some guys on nairaland don sell their birthright on top her matter...

shes not all dat fine sef
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by iamord(m): 4:44pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Nod - means wandering

Let me ask you mr. How many children did Adam have?
the exact figure was not written in the Bible but one thing i am clear about is the fact that after Cain left. Adam had a child known as seth. Then later other sons and daughter. If we are looking at the time frame there is a very glaring missing link. If that's so then where from his wife.. The city.. And whosoever finds me. You didn't answer that
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by davien(m): 4:50pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


I'm I missing something here ??
shocked shocked shocked

then davien ,johnydon22 should come to my aid here
I thought I warned you to stop inviting me to your topics undecided

And as much as I don't believe in "god/gods" I can't say they/it/he/she.... did/didn't orchestrate evolution without any form of evidence or justification..

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Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:56pm On May 10, 2015
[quote author=InesQor post=33604787]

Okay so you're sending me a link to a creationist website arguing against theistic evolution. Should I start posting links of sites arguing for theistic evolution? Personally I'm not about all of that - searching the internet to support a religious stance. People have argued these things for centuries and the arguments still continue.
a.
Most atheists believe only in evidence-based events. Science is all about evidences. Science shows that evolution occurred, so it makes sense for atheists to accept it.
b.
About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer. In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders?

a and b are contradictory statements , I think .Maybe you can explain better , lemme not quickly draw conclusions

If the product of evolution is evident that it was designed then I see no reason why atheistic evolutionists should deny God or not see Him as the cause or not see it as a supernatural process .

Example below , there is no space for God in the theory according to them because there is no evidence

And as much as I don't believe in "god/gods" I can't say they/it/he/she.... did/didn't orchestrate evolution without any form of evidence or justification..




The difference between their views on evolution and mine is that atheists believe evolution began from a random spontaneous event, and I believe God set that thing off.

I understand that

Where we agree is that evolution took place at all.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by MistadeRegal(m): 4:57pm On May 10, 2015
I think you need to go through thorough teaching about the Words and Works of GOD.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:04pm On May 10, 2015
davien:
I thought I warned you to stop inviting me to your topics undecided

And as much as I don't believe in "god/gods" I can't say they/it/he/she.... did/didn't orchestrate evolution without any form of evidence or justification..

grin ... calm down
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by lookingfly: 5:07pm On May 10, 2015
OwerriChairman:
Wonderful Nonsense;
especially the part you said Adam was not the first man.
Are you serious?

It was after God said "Let us make man in our own image..." That He made Adam.

So, you mean there were nations somewhere at that time?
Yet God would say "Let us make man in our own image and likeness?"

Do you by any chance know that you re implying that God was not actually aware of those "nations" you are talking about?

Exactly why I called this a packaged nonsense!
i dont know what you understand by this statement"let us make man in our own image and likeness" but i agree with the op's view that adam was not actually the first man but the first man in God's image.the statement also implies that God could possibly had created man not in his image and likeness before that statement.also if they weren't other humans created by God though,not in his image and likeness,then who was it or which people was God protecting cain from by placing a mark on his forehead and who did he marry after leaving the garden of edem?
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:08pm On May 10, 2015
iamord:
the exact figure was not written in the Bible but one thing i am clear about is the fact that after Cain left he had a child known as seth. Then later other sons and daughter. If we are looking at the time frame there is a very glaring missing link. If that's so then where from his wife.. The city.. And whosoever finds me. You didn't answer that

its takes 9 months to bear a child .Adam lived hundreds of years before and after Cain . Adam's kids had offsprings and the offsprings had their own offsprings ... do the math
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by iamord(m): 5:15pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


its takes 9 months to bear a child .Adam lived hundreds of years before and after Cain . Adam's kids had offsprings and the offsprings had their own offsprings ... do the math
no u do the math. Cain was the first son. Until the death of able there were only two offsprings. Then seth came in after. He got married around the time seth was born. Or a kid. Where did the wife now come from. Abi he married eve Foetus?
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 5:16pm On May 10, 2015
[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=33605269][/quote]

They are not contradictory. Just try to drop all your assumptions and read what I said again.

In simpler words:
- Evolution doesn't care about who or wat started the process of change. What it describes is the process itself and its products, and how the process works in such a way that it improves the product.
- Atheists believe evolution started by chance occurrence, by an absolute necessity at some point in time.
- Adherents of theistic evolution believe God started the process.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by ogaprime(m): 5:17pm On May 10, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:
Hello Christians who are really passionate about God . Today , I want to talk about many misconceptions about the creation story . I've read interesting debates concerning this issue(creation story) and I want to address some things most Christians find mind boggling .

Errmm , I wanted to write about pre-adamic creation (life before Adam , yes there was) but let me deal with this first.

So here are few things the Bible never said about the creation story

1.The beginning was 6,000 years ago
Genesis 1:1

Ive always talked about God being a self-existent and ageless being .He is the creator of living things , planets , universe etc. Now ,this verse has always been misunderstood . Its just talking about the original creation of the universe billions of years ago .

2.The earth was created 6,000 years ago
Genesis 1:1-2



My God ! Christians have been mocked with the 'earth is 6,000 years old ' thingy and its very embarrassing . People get these two verses mixed up . Periods of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 are different . Genesis 1:2 is talking about the period of restoration of earth and recreation of natural forms in it . A lot happened between these two periods which will be addressed in another thread.

3.Light and darkness were created in day 1 as seen in Genesis 1:5

Genesis 1:5


The functionalities of the sun and moon on earth were restored on day 1

4.The sun , moon and stars were created on day 4

No no no they weren't .They were created in the beginning before the existence of earth . God just regulated them in connection with the restored earth

5.Animals , birds ,man were first created on day 5 and 6

Some were created during the pre-adamic age but were destroyed by the first universal flood (Lucifer's flood). This would be addressed fully in a new thread . A quick bible reference

2 Peter 3:5-7



6.Vegetation came forth for the first time in day 3 .
Dear Christian, Jeremiah 4:23-26 doesn't agree with you


This proves that there was vegetation during the pre-adamic age

7.The earth was created 6,000 years ago

No sir/ma , it was restored 6,000 years ago
A quick look at Genesis 1:1-2

"... and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters ", what waters ? And we all thought the earth was created in day 3 ! Seeeee ... after God destroyed everything on earth in the first universal flood , there was chaos and it was flooded . God then began its restoration as His Spirit was hovering over the waters.

And yes ,Satan lived among the pre-adamic men or during the age of the 'first earth' .Look at Isaiah 14:12-14



This happened during pre-adamic age not after the 'creation ' ( recreation) . Some think this happened moments before the "talking snake" caused the fall of man

8.That Adam was the first man God created .
Adam was a recreation of man in God's image . Isaiah 14:12-14 , Jeremiah 4:23-26 and 2 Peter 3:5-7 quoted above have already proven that 'men and nations' existed before Adam .

9.That the universe , earth are a product of evolution .
Nope, God created all of them

Ephesians 3:9


Colossians 1:15-18


10. Man is a product of evolution - from lower life forms , to cave men
The Bible says God created man perfect and intelligent
Genesis 1:27



Evolution denies the first cause. The theory starts with matter being in existence . The theory is that all forms of life derived from gradual modification from simpler forms to a complex form.

Genesis 1:21



A Christian should not accept evolution because

1.evolution says man evolved from beast , so our Lord Jesus Christ was an evolved beast or a product of evolution?
2.The bible clearly stated that we (men) are created in God's image , ET clearly denies that
3.ET also degrades God's image to a mere beast
4.It nullifies the idea of the Bible creation by God
5. It denies miracles , the supernatural and the bodily resurrection of Christ ... and I can go on and on

cc: lalasticlala

Please , You can ask me questions if need be

One word for you... 2 peter 3:8 a lot can happen with a thousand years...
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:20pm On May 10, 2015
iamord:
no u do the math. Cain was the first son. Until the death of able there were only two offsprings. Then seth came in after. He got married around the time seth was born. Or a kid. Where did the wife now come from. Abi he married eve Foetus?

I think the bible emphasized Cain's birth because of his wicked act of murder against his brother ,Abel . Do you have proof Cain was Adam's first son?
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by InesQor(m): 5:29pm On May 10, 2015
To clarify, evolution does not claim there's a need for a designer. Neither does it claim there is no need for one.

What I do know is that it acknowledges that evolution works in a way such that it "betters" the product. To me, that can't be a random process. It must have been controlled by a prime-mover, and for me that's God.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:30pm On May 10, 2015
ogaprime:


One word for you... 2 peter 3:8 a lot can happen with a thousand years...

tongue tongue tongue

Exodus 20:11

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : 10 Things The Bible Never Said About Creation by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:32pm On May 10, 2015
InesQor:
To clarify, evolution does not claim there's a need for a designer. Neither does it claim there is no need for one.

What I do know is that it acknowledges that evolution works in a way such that it "betters" the product. To me, that can't be a random process. It must have been controlled by a prime-mover, and for me that's God.
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