JMAN05:


And history confirms and finds materials that supports the historicity of a myth? Where did u keep ur head?

Oh my goodness can this get any boring than this

This princess doesn't really know when something is classified a myth and what is not. . . History is reconstructed by archeological finds. . I think you need go check the myths you swallow and contrast them with scholarly consensus based on archeological facts. . .Maybe then we could manage to make something of you at least who can distinguish between myth and historical event.

Christendom, not xtainity honey. Hahaha

Go and think the meaning of the phrase "in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". That will clear u up

JMAN05:


Maybe in the future u ll understand. For now, keep viewing that source as accurate.
Now, if can go to the book "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Revised Edition, check under Religion of Egypt, you ll see why such claimed monotheism is doubtful. If you ve read well, you will understand that emperors were worshiped as gods.
Don't limit yourself to wiki.

johnydon22:
Lmao bursted are we?

God Zeus impregnated a human woman Danaë and had a son Perseus (Johnydon: this is a myth... JMAN5: yes it is a myth.)

The God Zeus impregnated a human woman Alcmene and had a son Hercules (Johnydon: That is a clear myth. . . JMAN5: Of course it is myth)

The God yahweh impregnated a human woman Mary and had a son Jesus (Johnydon: That obviously like others is a myth.
JMAN5: you don't love the truth, this one is the truth of God )

Can bigotry get any lower?

The difference between us is that you disbelieve other myths and believe only the one found in your religion while i myself disbelieve both other myths and yours too

Hinduism remains one of the top three major religions in the world even though it is the oldest religion known to man.

I do refer you to a Hindu and ask them how their old religion survived till now

I think you need to check the meaning of Myth and then relate it the stories.

The story of Achilles has tons of archeological findings suggesting Achilles is a historical figure but amidst this, Achilles mother being a Nymph is a pure myth.

You see, you don't even know what premise you were arguing over... Pretty lame

JMAN05:


Where did God impregnant mary to give birth to Jesus? Quote

And I ask, which archaeological finds or historical documents support the claim of the stories written in this mythological books. These writings are well known as myths, while archaeological finds and ancient writings keep confirming bible stories. So John, if youi think we just believe in the bible without evidence, you are funny. Be sincere man and see that you cant ever compare the bible to these tales.

No, please tell me.

This is the age of information, your phone can help with that.
if you find out the reason why your own religion transcends to next generation you will find out the reason why the oldest world religion still lingers till today.... Go ask a hindu

It thus seems you view it from a different context. From your view, you see some stories in mythology as true, while some are false. If that is the case, you do well to state what in a story you as a person refer to as a myth/fiction. You cant just come and claim that the bible is a mythological story copied from an ancient myth and re-fashioned by a set of people. Thats stupidity.
Since in your case, you dont view myth as entirely a fiction, what do you call fiction in your "myth".

JMAN05
Where did u get the lie that Moses worshiped a god that came to prominence after they had left Egypt?

Aten was never a universal god of the egyptians when Jews were in Egypt.

JMAN05
Again, who told you that Yahweh pronunciation was prohibited then?

Where did you derive this new lord concept?

JMAN05
Oga the Jew never knew Aten as a state god.

johnydon22:
Oh my goodness can this get any boring than this

This princess doesn't really know when something is classified a myth and what is not. . . History is reconstructed by archeological finds. . I think you need go check the myths you swallow and contrast them with scholarly consensus based on archeological facts. . .Maybe then we could manage to make something of you at least who can distinguish between myth and historical event.

Christendom /ˈkrɪs(ə)ndəm/
noun
the worldwide body or society of Christians.

are you really sure you knew the correct usage of that word when you employed it?

Oh oh sorry is it time to twist biblical texts already?

I think every clearly knows according to the bible "Sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day" princess you won't do a good job trying to twist that.

this is what we get when beliefs in myths run the minds of 21st century beings and somehow you still has the ludicrous idea that you are better than egyptians over their own myths.

they obviously are far better because they believed their own myths and you believe one that is a construct of ancient middle eastern civilization

johnydon22:
Now here goes the link, A bible encyclopedia.

Lmao and were we arguing whether emperors were worshipped as Gods, you obviously have lost your wits on this.... through out history Emperors as well as many other outstanding humans has been deified.

We were talking about the Pharaoh Amenhotep IV who introduced Egypt the monotheism during his reign which you sheepishly want so bad to say was worshipped as a God in order to distort history and claim it was polytheism.

He was regarded son of Aten kiddo

JMAN05:


When you say myth, you do not mean that its stories are all inaccurate stories. How do you pick your own myth, I mean fictional stories?

You see? am even arguing with someone who doesn't even know the meaning of myth and you have been yapping here since Pheeew quite demeaning..

Here please help yourself http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/myth

It basically means the christian world, area in which (profess) christians dominate. It is not the same with true Christianity.
Who is princess? Are you sure you are here with me?
And that is what people like you say when they observe that their stand has been faulted.
You ve not still told us what is fiction in your myth, since you believe that some stories in myths are accurate.
Where are these your egyptians with there myths?

JMAN05:


You are becoming annoying kid. If the emperor is viewed as a god, how can you call his subject who deify him as monotheists?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha am dead .. So it is no longer Yahweh that is the father of Jesus but now maybe it was Joseph after all or Mary played away match.

Is this the new tactics to distance your biblical son of God from his father? Or

Aaaaw christians are so gonna burst you for this..

[b]Seriously your naivete is stupendous. . This still keeps betraying the fact that you don't know what a myth means.

The ancient ruin of troy has been identified, thousand other archeological artifacts depicting the Homeric characters.

Again princess you still cannot even determine what a myth is because obviously you have no idea the definition of myth.

Let me repeat myself once more so as to know if you can at least deduct some little things from it for an upgrade because you clearly need it.

Just like i mentioned in the other thread; There may have been a historical Hercules, Achilles of even a Jesus in the roman Israeli outpost.

But when it is mentioned that Achilles body was invincible except heels, his mother was a Goddess (Nymph), Heracles has a father which is a God, Zeus, killed a snake with many heads, helped atlas carry the earth or jesus had a father which is a God named yahweh, replaced a severed ear and so on.

That is the myth amidst the fable. . .You obviously have no idea what a myth means.[/b]

This is the age of information, your phone can help with that.
if you find out the reason why your own religion transcends to next generation you will find out the reason why the oldest world religion still lingers till today.... Go ask a hindu

You see your life?

why do you keep showing yourself up to be pretty banked up upstairs.

This shows you have no idea what a myth is and that is so sad....

Let me give you another basic tutor to see if you can at least discern what a myth means.

"JMAN05 was born on earth but he had wings and could carry the earth on his shoulder and had a deity as a father"

That JMAN05 is a human can be a fact but he had wings, carry the earth, deity father is pure unadulterated myth.

You really need to go get a grasp of modern historicity and stop making a complete nonsense of yourself.

Archeological finds reconstructs historical facts and deducts exactly how the story plays out and dismisses the employment of myths (preternatural fabrications) found in the stories.

JMAN05
Please show me the clarification in Deutronomy.

The Yahweh you used as a lesser god is absurd especially when Yahweh has been in use before the Journey to Canaan.

Angelou:
i thought this God in question is called Amon-Ra... Where did you guys get the Amen From? Or did the hieroglyph translate directly to Amen?
Mr Sarassin I'd like to know if you are an atheist, agnostic, or member of an old confraternity dating back to pre-judaism Era?

johnydon22:
Where is sarassin?

johnydon22:


You see? am even arguing with someone who doesn't even know the meaning of myth and you have been yapping here since Pheeew quite demeaning..

Here please help yourself http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/myth


Oh meeeeehn what is this abject show of lunacy.

Come barbie please go look up the meaning of MYTH and it's usage in historicity.

" Historicity is the historical actuality of persons and events, meaning the
quality of being part of history as opposed to being a historical myth , legend ,
or fiction "

please go read about historicity and the deductive methods in contrasts to it's myths and fictions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity

I cannot keep discussing with someone who doesn't even know the premise he is arguing over just chipping in what ever absurd thinking that pops up into his head...

johnydon22:
You see why i call you a princess, because of the punny arguments you put up betraying epileptic cognition.

Please can someone help me tell this boy that Emperors or other humans being deified has nothing to do with the conventional God or religion of the people"

Messi is called the God of soccer, such distinctions is a show of respect it doesn't mean the subject is a conventional deity or has effect on religion... Wooow this is new..

JMAN05:


Oga, where did God impregnant Mary?

Oga myth can mean a story believe to be true, but which is not. But you have a different view. Many view Jesus as a myth, it seems you believe him. So tell us what you specifically call myth in biblical stories.

Do you accept all the characters as real humans and the stories told about them false. Whats your stand? some view all the stories as just a cock and bull stories, the characters inclusive. Dont know your perspective. Stop shouting myth cos myth could mean false stories.

Chai, runaway soldier.

Oga, those this mean that you accept all bible character as real, but the stories told about them false? Stop being stupid, some view even the bible characters, locations as myth. While you accept one thing as true, others may view the whole story as myth.

But before the acheaological finds, those stories were true. Can your skull carry that?

JMAN05:


If you accuse Deuteronomy of being copied from amenemope, you still accuse it of being copied from Hammurabi code. This shows that you just want to discredit the bible by all means.

You are wrong, Sir Charles Marston, on page 51 of his book The Bible Comes Alive, says: “It seems certain that Hammurabi’s laws were a codification of the older and existing laws and customs of the Semitic Race—the race that sprung from Noah’s son Shem, the race to which the Hebrews belonged.” The evidence is, therefore, that heathen nations carried over many ancient laws and customs from the Noachian system of law and order, which pattern the faithful Hebrew patriarchs followed.

Moreover, examining the two systems of law, that of Hammurabi and that given through Moses, the latter is seen to be the more just and equitable of the two and hence the more faithful to the original legal system that came into being among God’s faithful people. For instance, if an Israelite slaveholder became brutal and struck a male or female slave so that an eye was lost he was forced to let the slave go free, while under Hammurabi’s code he was let off with merely paying half the slave’s value. (Ex. 21:26; Ham. No. 199) Hammurabi’s code said: “If it [a poorly constructed house] cause the death of a son of the owner of the house, they shall put to death a son of that builder.” (Ham. No. 230) But the Mosaic law code specifically forbade putting to death a son for his father’s sin: “Fathers should not be put to death on account of children and children should not be put to death on account of fathers. Each one should be put to death for his own sin.”—Deut. 24:16, NW.

JMAN05:


Oga, Amenhotep IV view himself as divine. Stop this childish attitude and go into history. Not limiting yourself to wiki.

JMAN05:


From the definition you gave above, are you saying that myth cannot mean a fictitious story? Which of the definitions do you have in mind? I wonder if you read what i read or you see double.
I ve not yet read your wiki. It has something different from what we are discussing. it seems. unless you have something different from what i have in mind.

Sarassin:


I believe your question has been answered.

Angelou:
you have not answered my question about your religious affinity

Sarassin:


Let me help you out with context.

The prophets of the Old Testament practically knocked themselves out railing against Baal, Asherah and various other gods. Why? Mainly because the people of Israel worshipped these gods along with, and sometimes instead of, YHWH, the God of Israel. We gained a fresh perspective of this denunciation when the Ugaritic texts were discovered, because at Ugarit these were the very gods that were worshipped.
El was the chief god at Ugarit. Yet El is also the name of God used in many of the Psalms for YHWH; or at least that has been the assumption among Christians. Yet when you read these Psalms and the Ugaritic texts you discover that the very attributes for which YHWH is acclaimed are the same for which El is acclaimed. In fact, these Psalms were most likely originally Ugaritic or Canaanite hymns to El which were simply adopted by Israel.

In 1 Kings 22:19-22 we read of YHWH meeting with his heavenly council. This is the very description of heaven which one finds in the Ugaritic texts. For in those texts the “sons of god” are the sons of El.

Other deities worshipped at Ugarit were El Shaddai, El Elyon, and El Berith. All of these names are applied to YHWH by the writers of the Old Testament. What this means is that the Hebrew theologians adopted the titles of the Canaanite gods and attributed them to YHWH in an effort to eliminate them. If Yahweh is all of these there is no need for the Canaanite gods to exist! This process is known as assimilation.
One of the more important lesser deities at Ugarit was Baal. Baal is described as the “rider on the clouds” in KTU 1.3 II 40. Interestingly enough, this description is also used of Yahweh in Psalm 68:5.

In the Old Testament Baal is named 58 times in the singular and 18 times in the plural. The prophets protested constantly against the love affair the Israelites had with Baal ( Hosea 2:19, for example). The reason Israel was so attracted to Baal was that, first of all, some Israelites viewed YHWH as a God of the desert and so when they arrived in Canaan they thought it only proper to adopt Baal, the god of fertility. As the old saying goes, “whose land, his god”. For these Israelites YHWH was useful in the desert but not much help in the land.

There is one particular Ugaritic text which indicates that among the inhabitants of Ugarit, YHWH was viewed as another son of El. KTU 1.1 IV 14 says:
sm . bny . yw . ilt

“The name of the son of god, Yahweh.”

This text seems to show that Yahweh was known at Ugarit, though not as the Lord but as one of the many sons of El.

Therefore the implications of my statement with respect to the Divine council in Deut 32,8 should be clear to you by now. We now know from the Ugaritic writings that EL fathered seventy sons, therefore the seventy sons referred to in the book of Deuteronomy are in fact sons of the Ugaritic EL.

Sarassin:


I thought this thread was dead and buried !

What is your evidence that the Aten came to prominence only after the Hebrews/Canaanites had departed Egypt?

Biblical scholars place Moses historically in Egypt roughly around the time of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and his son who later changed his name to Akhenaten in honour of Aten. Moses who grew up in the household of Pharaoh clearly did not worship the God of Israel, only when he flees Egypt upon committing murder and goes into hiding at Midian does he become acquainted with the God of Israel, he had to ask YHWH to identify himself. If we place Moses in Egypt under the reign of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaten then he would have been a worshipper of Amen-Ra and latterly ATEN.

My evidence is that till today on particular Temples dedicated to the Aten there are symbols and hieroglyphs carved upon the main beams connecting columns and pillars. Of particular interest and prominence are those being that of a circle with falcon wings representing Akhenaten and others of water being poured from a jug or into cupped hands…….the emblem of the priestly caste of the house of Levi. These images persist in Masonic and Rosicrucian symbolisms as well as in Kabbala rituals.

Further, the only evidence that exists today of any exodus or mass movement of people from Egypt (of which I am sure you are unaware) is the Egyptian written history of the exodus of an entire city, which was the new capital of Egypt, Akhehaten named after Akhenaten who instituted the worship of Aten, this exodus took place in 1344BCE.

Again, misinformed.

There is strong evidence to suggest that the Hebrews who departed Egypt brought their Egypt deity worship along with them and in fact there are strong hints of the Hebrew priestly caste performing what would become dual roles as priests initially to ATEN and then eventually to YHWH

For instance Merari, the youngest son of Levi, who became the ancestor of the Merarites, one of the three branches of the Levite priesthood, is traditionally thought to derive his name from the Hebrew/Canaanite word meaning 'bitter'. However, it is more likely that it comes from the Egyptian mrry/mrrì, meaning 'to love', or 'beloved'. Curiously enough, there was a Mery-re II, a high priest of the Aten, who lived during the reign of Akhenaten and whose empty rock-cut tomb is situated in the cliffs beyond the site of Akhenaten's city.

Then there is Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the high priest and chief of the Levites, who was the grandson of Aaron. He played an active role during Israel's forty years of wandering in the wilderness, and went on to become the ancestor of the Zadok priesthood. The Hebrew meaning of his name is 'mouth of brass', but it quite clearly derives from the Egyptian Pinehsy, meaning 'the Nubian', indicating a person with dark skin or a true Nubian.(his mother was Putiel) Strangely enough, there was also a Pinehesy, a Chief Servitor of ATEN, who lived during the reign of Akhenaten. Like that of Mery-re II, his empty tomb can be found in the cliffs beyond the site of Akhenaten's city.

These are actual historical figures, whilst I cannot state with certainty that the aforementioned were indeed the descendants of the Levites the timelines fit and on a balance of probabilities, and not just simple coincidence, it seems the Hebrew priests served the ATEN and then departed the city in haste.

And lets not forget, there is also Moses, son of AMRAM, it is worth pointing out that the heavenly father of Aten was named IMRAM, coincidence?

Sarassin:


Where have I stated that Deuteronomy is copied word for word from the instructions of Amenemopet?, you are simply being disingenous, what is well accepted is that particular chapters of the book of proverbs is closely linked to the above codex, you should also read the hymn to ATEN and compare it to Psalm 104, and so what if the Deutero-canonicals were based on the Hammurabi code and enhanced, it was a good thing. The bible does not need me to discredit it, most of you Christians manage that quite well, and this Marston fellow implying that the Hammurabi Laws are the dregs of Noahide Law is a clown.

Likewise, there is considerable Egyptian influence on early Hebrew literature, the Book of Psalms, Proverbs and Deuteronomy attest to this, you will find passages word for word taken from the Instructions of Amenemope (an Eggyptian codex) in these books, indeed the book of Amenemope has been used to clarify verses in the book of proverbs.

johnydon22:

Oh nutters **Face palm**

What will it take to teach this barbie that deifying of a kingly nature or other type of human deifications has no tilt on conventional Gods or religion.

Amenhotep IV referred to himself as the son of Aten that surely is a divine claim..(Son of Aten)

Same way Guru marahaji lays claim to divinity but yet it doesn't hold sway on conventional Gods.

You clearly need a bit of help to develop a little sound cognitive ability.