trilobite:
EXPLANATION: we are afraid the satellite might have been sent to monitor our satellites.

The cold war continues.

bookface:
The stup'id Russians tend to get a high whenever the US claim to be "alarmed" by something.

In Russia's interpretation - We are so strong that the US is really afraid of what we have

In US interpretation - We are "alarmed" so we have a prelude to make a move based on "self defence"

For example - the US could claim to be "alarmed" by Russia's intermediate range missiles - therefore for "self-defence" reasons, it will station a full range of anti missile batteries in Eastern Europe.

Now the thing with these moves by the US is that they are often permanent moves as opposed to temporary ones. The US has 800 military bases around the world. Several of these basis are set up because the US claim to be responding to a "threat" - and even after the threat is no longer existing, the bases stay in place.

In reality, there's no technology that Russia has today that can really "alarm" or "surprise" the United States. - Forget even the US and look at junior NATO partners like Germany, UK and France. Even though these countries don't spend much on a gigantic military and will instead, piggy back on the US military - there is very little that Russia can really deliver in military tech that will be completely revolutionary or turn out to be a "surprise" factor to these guys. Germans don't spend on military, but there military hardware is the shit!

Appleyard:

How are the Russians stupid and getting a high when they aren't the ones wailing? In Russia's interpretation? It wasn't the Russians that are complaining: thus, it is the US that is actually doing the interpretation.

In the US interpretation, they are alarmed, and is rightly so, given the upsurge in Russia's military and strategic upgrades in recent times; something the Pentagon is not finding funny at all!

A prelude my foot! The US has been spemding billions upon billions in defence against a fictional so-called axis of evil, and has over the years, been engage in such act of military spending to realise its quest for global hegemony.

The alarm it has been raising since 2O11, is purely out of fear and concern regarding Russia's rapid growing military capability re-emerging as a key and indispensable player, especially in the wake of the Crimea lightning military show piece! And that is a fact on the part of the US, not a prelude!

Who cares if the US has 2OOO bases world wide? Having bases in Europe did not stop Russia from Liberating Abkezia and Osseta from Georgia after bombing the devil out of them. Neither was it and its military cronie bloc, NATO, able to stop the Red army from annexing the Crimea from Ukraine. Nor has it deter Russia's vow to directly engage in military action if Syria is attacked directly by the US and NATO: a fact that has ensured the survival of the Assad regime.
It is one thing to talk of bases and the movement of missile batteries here and there, but when ever the reality sets in, the results begs for answers to the questions of achievement: as Russia is seen countering every move with a better or equivalent moves.

Can you also point to one technology posessed by the US or the West that is not known to Russia, or it equivalent in purpose or in deterent?
It is laughable to hear insinuations that Russia has very little or nothing to offer in terms of military technology. Yet, Uncle Sam sees it as the greatest threat to its security! It has nothing to offer, but its missile programs and capabolity is causing ripples among its haters? Maybe just another prelude, right? I dey laf oo.

bookface:



You are either a lazy thinker or just someone who speaks borne out of emotive biases.

First, US will always outspend Russia 10 to 1 on military, that's a fact

Second , Russia's military parity with the US is only on nuclear terms - taking out the nuclear option, then you will quickly find that Russia is just another second rate power. It's ability to project extraordinary power well beyond its shores is limited and it doesn't have a litany of extremely loyal allies or the economic strength to wage a prolonged campaign

Third, Pentagon's concern with Russia is NOT in its upgrade to its military, but its tendencies to "strategically" expand its borders, like in Crimea and Georgia.

Fourth - You really have to admit, but Russia is a dying power that is longing to hold on to the reins. It's strategic planners realized a little too late that you cannot achieve dominance without economic rigour. So now, they will rather play a second fiddle to China than be left completely isolated. It's interesting to see how much the Russian press sing of the Russian-Chinese alliance, but the Chinese press doesn't give that much of a damn. Russia needs China now - and China can take advantage as much as it wants.

bookface:




Third, Pentagon's concern with Russia is NOT in its upgrade to its military, but its tendencies to "strategically" expand its borders, like in Crimea and Georgia.

Fourth - You really have to admit, but Russia is a dying power that is longing to hold on to the reins. It's strategic planners realized a little too late that you cannot achieve dominance without economic rigour. So now, they will rather play a second fiddle to China than be left completely isolated. It's interesting to see how much the Russian press sing of the Russian-Chinese alliance, but the Chinese press doesn't give that much of a damn. Russia needs China now - and China can take advantage as much as it wants.

Appleyard:


The thing about you that always interest me is that you always pride your self in your arrogance, while others before you are shallow minded, only in your arrogant mind and bias opinions! It is only a kid that starts a debate with insult.
But its accepted, we all are entitled to our views.

Now, regarding your numerical assertments; it is true that:

First,- the US would always outspend Russia 10 to 1 on military projects, but what difference does it make? If i spend 1000 dollar in research on a rifle, and you spent just 100 dollar on that same rifle research, but at the end you came out with the same result, or one even better, or its equivalent, then what is the difference in the amount spent? You should know that there is a difference between military technological know how and excessive military spending.
Military spending doesn't dictate capabilities. For instance, The Chinese outspend the Russians but they dont have the capability to even face them, rather they overwhelmingly depends on Russia for theirs. The Saudis outspend the Germans, France and the British, but can't compete with them or other key players; not even with Iran.

Thus, the usual excuse for the US outspending Russia makes no technological difference in the conventional sense in terms of results, since both have the same effect and level in capability, the only real difference being in NUMBERS. And where this becomes the case, Russia then counters with an opposite opposing capability.
That is why your uncle sam is always crying foul to high heavens whenever the Russians put up something that matches or out performed theirs!

Secondly, it is not true that Russia, aside the nuclear option, is a second rated military power. Rather, it is a nation whose advanced technology exports present a major strategic risk for the US, whether operated by China, or smaller players like Iran or Venezuela. These systems will deny access to most US ISR and combat aircraft. Russian high technology weapons are transforming the strategic landscape in Asia, as the defence industries of the former Soviet Republics export some of the most advanced weapons designed and built to date. This strategic has important long term implications for US policy makers, and from the uptick in the cries upon cries of alarm, it shows that the matter is well understood or indeed widely understood in Washington circles.

On this note, you are dead wrong! Russia has always, and will always be an indispensible player, whether conventional or nuclear.

And it does not need a litany of allies to defend itself when threatened, for she is big enough and strategically positioned to defend it self. The US and NATO can have as many allies as they want around Russia, with whatever battery missile they may want to station there; they would only end up being the perfect targets for Russian Iskander and defense penetrating missiles. Just As one Russian General aptly put it: " we will take care of them with one missile".

Believe it or not, whatever game the US will put up in Europe, the Russians will always come up with something that will beat it or atleast deny its aim.

I will take you up on the rest tomorow. Stay well.

bookface:




"Military spending does not dictate capabilities"

This is just rubbish ignorance - as i would dare say, a huge part of the points you've made.

First, the US spends only 30% of its military budgets on research and procurement - and a bigger part on maintaining existing capabilities. It doesn't matter if Russia spends 20,000 rubles producing a ship and the US spends 1 million - the difference is who has the spending capability to maintain that ship in the Mediterranean every day for the next 20 years?

The US maintains an incredible fleet of carrier battle groups and global "blue water" capabilities - that several countries can only dream of. Maintaining such a capability is directly proportional to military spending. - Even Britain & France had to scrap most of their maritime forces - since the costs are virtually prohibitive.

So yes, when US outspends Russia - it makes a difference on a technical level - because it dictates who has the staying power - The US navy alone has enough capabilities to fight both in Europe and Asia - simultaneously.

On your second point - No one denies that Russia has advanced technology that can do a lot of damage - but this does not change its position as a second rate military power without the nuclear option. Being a first rate military power is more than having advanced Iskanders and the like - You need what is called "reach". Like the case of the US going across the Atlantic into Iraq. On advanced technology alone, Russia is no better that the likes of UK, France and Germany really.

On your third point - I would dare say this also proves how little you know of military matters. According to Master Sun Tzu in the Art of War, the five critical factors to succeed in any war- Attack, Strategy, Alliances, Army and Cities.-

Russia is actually not strategically positioned- quite the contrary - Even though it is the largest country in the world, it has an indefensible territory. The core of Russia which runs from the volga green belts up to Moscow proper is without any natural geographic barrier. The biggest flaw with its geographic location is the Northern European plain - which has a gap between the Carpathian Mountains and the Baltic sea. Russia has faced three major invasions through this gap - from Napoleon, from Willhelm and from Hitler. May i also remind you that despite it's large Soviet army at that time, Hitler was only miles away from taking Moscow, if it hadn't been for his (Hitler) own strategic errors and the cruel Russian winter?

Underground:
To say Russia has a second rate military is an insult to the sensibilities of those of us that know better. Why then hasn't NATO dare attack Russia but instead engages more in saber rattling or empty threats? Why don't they embark on a bombing campaign and liberate the poor people of Russia from the evil and despotic Putin?.

Tkester:


Brotherly, You did a fine write-up, however, I cant comprehend why you called PUTIN evil and despotic.
I don.t see anything evil or despotic about PUTIN. you may want to clear my doubts.

Underground:
Appleyard, I couldn't have said it any better.
People fail to understand the difference between a military whose doctrine is to defend its territorial integrity and win its war at all costs within its borders. Such a military doesn't have the need for expensive - and to be frank, increasingly easy to target super-carriers. Has any of you heard about the super-carrier destroyers such as the DF-1D or YJ-18 missiles China has developed just for the purpose of incapacitating these carrier groups? What about the hypersonic missiles they recently tested? This so called blue-water power projection is of no interest to Russia since it has no desire to embark on "freedom" or "liberation" campaigns such as Iraqi Enduring Freedom. Lol! Well, I guess we can conclude with certainty that Iraq is at the moment enjoying that "Enduring Freedom" Uncle Sam has gifted them.
To say Russia has a second rate military is an insult to the sensibilities of those of us that know better. Why then hasn't NATO dare attack Russia but instead engages more in saber rattling or empty threats? Why don't they embark on a bombing campaign and liberate the poor people of Russia from the evil and despotic Putin? Cos they know that both parties are more or less evenly matched as far as conventional forces go and that the only way Russia could be possibly defeated is to employ a nuclear first strike so devastating and so unexpected that the chances of Russia launching a counter attack of its own is very minimal or non existent. The only other way Russia can succumb to the West is to defeat it from within hence the unnecessary and unprovoked sanctions with the hope that Russians would revolt and overthrow the Putin led government. Another tactic is using those so called NGOs such as NED, Amnesty International, etc and all those other fifth column agencies to fund and sponsor anti government activities.

India at the moment has cancelled it's order for French Rafale fighter planes and has switched to Russian SU-35 fighter jets. It is also considering buying the groundbreaking T-14 Armata tanks. China too has ordered 20 something plus SU-35s. If Russian military technology is second rate why then is their air defense system acknowledged as one of the world's best if not the very best and take a minute to appreciate that when u consider that when the S-500 system finally comes on board, the Russia air space will be practically impenetrable with the full spectrum coverage the S-500, S-400, Antey 2500 missiles - amongst others- will guarantee.

bookface:



You are either a lazy thinker or just someone who speaks borne out of emotive biases.

First, US will always outspend Russia 10 to 1 on military, that's a fact

Second , Russia's military parity with the US is only on nuclear terms - taking out the nuclear option.

then you will quickly find that Russia is just another second rate power. It's ability to project extraordinary power well beyond its shores is limited and it doesn't have a litany of extremely loyal allies or the economic strength to wage a prolonged campaign

Third, Pentagon's concern with Russia is NOT in its[b] upgrade to its military[/b], but its tendencies to "strategically" expand its borders, like in Crimea and Georgia.

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are you for real??..why are they shitting in their pants when they hear russia or see anything that concerns russia.
Infact,why are we discussing this issue in the first place?
If not for the fact that uncle sam is displaying the "weepy cushion" that he is.
On how cosmos-2504 is a possible threat to it military sattellite

Don't forget that your almighty U.S.
Uses russian space facilities to launch her military sattellite.

So much for a world power,with military supremacy..don't you think
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Fourth - You really have to admit, but Russia is a dying power that is longing to hold on to the reins. It's strategic planners realized a little too late that you cannot achieve dominance without economic rigour. So now, they will rather play a second fiddle to China than be left completely isolated. It's interesting to see how much the Russian press sing of the Russian-Chinese alliance, but the Chinese press doesn't give that much of a damn. Russia needs China now - and China can take advantage as much as it wants.

The bases are there to project power - US military strategy is always forward deployment. If you had any military intuition, you will care. According to Mr Putin himself, American subs are on permanent alert off the Norwegian coast equipped with missiles that can reach Moscow in 17 minutes.

Additionally - I should point out that your post is a bit reckless, as it posits that the US should have directly challenged Russia on these occasions. Of course, the US will be irresponsible to do so, since it will lead to an outbreak of war that will result in the death of millions. - Economic sanctions and isolation are the best recipes in these cases.

It is just plain insane to compare Russia with US or the collective NATO in terms of technological advantage. No one denies that Russia is a nuclear power - but beyond that - it's mostly just huffs and buffs.

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I really felt sick when I read this..(Your ignorance makes me sick)

It will take a russian batalion of K-300P Bastion-P, mobile coastal defence missile system to wipe out NATO navy in matter on minutes(NATO is no threat to russia).
No ship or plane will be involved.

I know you already know about "kitty hawk" and how russian su-24 "fencer" and su-27 "flanker which has two-
hundred-kiloton nuclear warhead has
almost twenty times the explosive
power of the atomic bombs dropped on
Hiroshima.
disgraced the U.S. Navy that has no defence against it missile.

I know you will rush to defend your master's. That it happened a long time ago.


I want to update you with the USS DONALD COOK destroyer episode.

last year april. US sent her ultra-modern donald cook destroyer into the black sea.
To protest against the russain annexation of crimea and to demostrate her military strenght and supremacy.

NOTE: this destroyer is equiped with most advanced Aegis
Combat System, a naval weapons systems which
ensures the detection, tracking and destruction of
multiple targets at the same time.
in addition,it also equipped with four large
radars.with more than 50 anti-aircraft missiles of various types.

out of usual arrogance. US broke the rule of "non black sea state being permitted to stay in black sea for no longer than 21 days". and Russia
responded by sending an unarmed SU-24 with electronic warfare device.

When the SU-24 approached the destroyer, all
radar and control systems, information transfers,
etc., of the USS Donald Cook were suddenly
paralyzed by Khibiny. In other words, the
seemingly superior Aegis system was completely
off — like when you turn off your TV with the
remote control and the SU-24 zoomed off,after it simulated 12 missile
attacks at low altitude on the virtually blind and
deaf USS Donald Cook.

After that. donald cook in full speed,moved to romania and all the crew members asked for dismissal from service and that's what I espect you do right now,cos licking uncle sam's ass will bring you doom,just like the deaf and dumb donald cook almost met it doom,if not for the all merciful russian's.
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For one, most of Russia's defence structure is still based on old soviet technology - even though its rapidly trying to modernise, it's purely insane to expect to revert decades of stagnancy over four or five years.

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What are you really saying..did you just wake up from sleep when you typed this

Hope you know that russia have the most advanced and best defence system in the world.
Russia recently sold RS S-300VM to iran,which made iran almost impossible to launch an offensive against.
Did you take time to ask yourself why US didn't use military option on iran but was quick to illuminate the sky of baghdad with strikes for the same reason.
and why US have to settle for a nuclear deal with iran.?

Think my friend.

We ain't even talking about russain Pantsir S-1,RS S-400 and RS-S500 which is impossible to launch an offensive against.
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For another - a large part of Russia's defense framework is actually based technology from countries like Germany, Italy and France. Here's an extract from a Russian source

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Are you for real dude?..this are NATO countries and you expect NATO to export such technology to her number. One enemy.

Have you forgotten that russia is the 2nd larget exporter of arm technology.

The countries you mentioned are down below the chart.

C'mon dude,I need something fresh [/size]

The Russian military is failing to meet its plans for this year on re-equipping its armed forces with modernized weapons because of Western sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine and a decline of domestic industries, a deputy defense minister told President Vladimir Putin.


Government defense contracts that have fallen behind schedule include production of Navy guard ships, Beriyev Be-200 amphibious aircraft, Vikhr anti-tank missiles, remote control and radio monitoring equipment for Igla surface-to-air missiles, and weapon launch systems for Tupolev-160 strategic bomber planes, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov told the president during a video conference, according to a transcript released by the Kremlin on Thursday.

"The objective reasons for the failure to meet state defense procurement orders include restrictions on the supply of imported parts and materials in connection with sanctions, discontinuation of production and the loss of an array of technologies, insufficient production facilities," Borisov said.

The West is not hungry for a military confrontation with Russia, that's for sure - but it will definitely give a bloody nose if the bear out steps its line

[size=13pt]it's time to wake up bro.

You have been sleeping for too long

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Cc seun,ishilove.

Please, you people should do something about this kuje prison wey I dey.

I dun serve finish but I still they see more sentence.

Please do something,I want to send something on that board.
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Raymonbell:
Outstanding analysis

The only forum on Nairaland with educative content

Following...

cyprus000:
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Cc appleyard

Just reported back to base soulja.
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I can see your hand work

Good to be home again..wattagwan?
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Appleyard:


Welcome back Soulja! Good to see you after such a long vacation from the frontlines.

I summon thee to take on a certain western G hyping on the Yankees capability to kill worlwide, while downgrading and threatening the Motherland of the Vladinator. But for now, it seems the G is busy offline or simply taking a nap off duty. Therefore, soldier; you may wana slip back in the shadows, but take this Intel, tag it and be ready for deployment at any moment when the target or any of it's proxy resurface.

Do you read me, Soulja? OVER!

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Copy soulja.

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Tkester:
@ appleyard.

e be like say you go military school. Damn your analysis are so spot on! I cant agree more.

Tkester:
@ appleyard.

e be like say you go military school. Damn your analysis are so spot on! I cant agree more.

Appleyard:


Thanks bro. But am just a homie like thee who have simply refused to be submerged in the Western waters of deception, emanating from Hollywood Combo-mode of Zombification, in this time of unparaleled Misinformation.

And with eyes wide open, we have come to realise and understand that, among the commity of Nations, There is But One Terrorist Plaguing the whole of mankind; and it is The United States of Anarchy and its war machine!