Is an ancient manuscript that claims Jesus married REAL? Study of ink used in ancient papyrus suggests it could be authentic

Text reads: 'Jesus said to them, 'My wife'' and 'she will...be my disciple'

Some have used this to prove Jesus was married instead of celibate

But many have argued the papyrus is a fake, due to inconsistencies

Columbia University says study of ink shows it was written by different author to the one who may have forged fragment from the Gospel of John


A study of the ink used in the 'Gospel of Jesus' Wife', an ancient papyrus that hints Christ was married, could reveal it is authentic.
Written in ancient Coptic, the papyrus reads: 'Jesus said to them, 'My wife'' and '…she will be able to be my disciple.'
Some have used this to prove Jesus was married instead of celibate - a view which could undermine some of the Church's main teachings.

Since its discovery, historians and religious leaders have attempted to both prove and deny the artefact's credibility.
But a new study of the papyrus' ink has undermined the document was written by an author who forged another papyrus.
The text was first shown to the world in 2012 Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King.The collection of documents, which were given to Professor King anonymously, immediately caused a stir.At the time, a furious Vatican newspaper dismissed the find as a fake. One editor, Giovanni Maria Vian, wrote a stinging piece entitled 'At any rate, a fake.'Last year, carbon testing on the papyrus seemed to suggest it was written between the fourth and eighth centuries and was therefore authentic.Now, researchers at Columbia have conducted new tests on the ink used on the papyrus which may confirm the papyrus is genuine.The team are saying little about their results until the study is published.But a detailed report by Owen Jarus at LiveScience, has revealed some results from the research, mainly, that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife holds different ink than the John papyrus.


This is important because last year papyri from the collection were tested for means of comparison.One of those was a fragment from the canonical Gospel of John written in a rare ancient dialect of Coptic known as Lycopolitan.At the time, cross comparisons show the online John text was very similar to the 'ancient' papyrus, CNN reports.

But carbon dating of the John fragment suggests it was from the seventh to ninth centuries.The Lycopolitan dialect died out as a language sometime before the sixth century - a great deal of time before the papyrus was written.Experts said at the time, this was evidence that the whole collection was a fake.James Yardley, a senior research scientist at Columbia University, told Live Science that the new tests suggest that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife was written by another person than that who wrote John papyrus.


[b]WHY SOME EXPERTS BELIEVE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS' WIFE IS FAKE
Critics have said that the fragment is a collage of pieces of the Gospel of Thomas by someone with a dubious grasp of ancient Coptic.
One scholar even claims to have found a typo in an online edition of the gospel, which matches one in what they say is a forgery.
Other experts have claimed that ink pooling suggests that the document was created in modern times.
Leo Depuydt, an Egyptologist at Brown University, said that none of the new tests have convinced him that the papyrus is a fake.
He wrote in the Harvard Theological Review that a forger may have 'wanted to put his or her own spin on modern theological issues' such as celibacy and the role of women in the Church.'As a forgery, it is bad to the point of being farcical or fobbish. . . . I don't buy the argument that this is sophisticated. I think it could be done in an afternoon by an undergraduate student,' he said.The provenance of the papyrus has also been questioned. The owner of the document has asked to remain anonymous but said that he acquired the artefact along with five other papyri in 1999 from a collector who got them in the 1960s in East Germany.
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'In our first exploration, we did state that the inks used for the two documents of interest [the John papyrus and the Gospel of Jesus's Wife] were quite different,' he said.'The more recent results do confirm this observation strongly.'Professor Yardley declined to comment further on the study: 'We are still in the midst of our research and the conclusions are not finalised,' he told DailyMail.com.

Complicating the debate, is the fact that it is difficult to trace the origins of the papyrus.The current owner has asked to remain anonymous, and said that he bought the ancient text from a man named Hans-Ulrich Laukamp in 1999, who acquired it from East Germany in 1963.
A representative of Laukamp's estate has argued, however, that Laukamp, who died in 2002, had never owned a papyrus.
But, after searching public databases in Florida a Live Science reporter, recently uncovered seven signatures signed by Laukamp between 1997 and 2001 on five notarised documents.LiveScience suggests Harvard University could use this to verify the signature to establish the papyrus authenticity.If Laukamp did own the papyrus, then the story of this mysterious text could finally be revealed.

WAS JESUS MARRIED?

[b]Many people over the centuries have tried to work out a 'bloodline' for possible descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
Most historians agree that there is no historical, biblical, archaeological or genetic evidence to support the idea.
But the fragment of papyrus that is said to be a translation of a lost gospel has Jesus referring to 'my wife'
A 13th century Cistercian monk and historian Peter of Vaux de Cernay claimed that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdalene.
Early Mormon leaders stated that Jesus as polygamous based upon an obscure passage attributed to a second century Greek philosopher called Celsus.In the 19th century, a politician called Louis Martin published a 'history' book that claimed Jesus was married to Mary and that they both travelled to the South of France where they had a son.Subsequent books have claimed Jesus fathered a child with Mary - or possibly had more offspring with a Kashmiri woman. Author Andreas Faber-Kaiser interviewed one person who claimed to be a Kashmiri descendant of Jesus.
Mary Magdalene has also been said to be the mother of Saint Sarah, while another author claims Jesus and Mary are the ancestors of all the European royal families.Earlier this year, an Israeli geologist claimed he had 'confirmed' the existence and authenticity of a tomb belonging to Jesus and his son in Jerusalem.After extensive chemical tests, Dr Arye Shimron says he has linked the James Ossuary – a 1st-century chalk box that some believe hold the bones of Jesus' brother – to the long disputed 'Jesus Family tomb' in the city's East Talpiot neighbourhood.
The research could have enormous ramifications as it suggests that Jesus was married, fathered a child and that a physical resurrection did not take place.
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Is an ancient manuscript that claims Jesus married REAL? Study of ink used in ancient papyrus suggests it could be authentic

Text reads: 'Jesus said to them, 'My wife'' and 'she will...be my disciple'

Some have used this to prove Jesus was married instead of celibate

But many have argued the papyrus is a fake, due to inconsistencies

Columbia University says study of ink shows it was written by different author to the one who may have forged fragment from the Gospel of John


A study of the ink used in the 'Gospel of Jesus' Wife', an ancient papyrus that hints Christ was married, could reveal it is authentic.
Written in ancient Coptic, the papyrus reads: 'Jesus said to them, 'My wife'' and '…she will be able to be my disciple.'
Some have used this to prove Jesus was married instead of celibate - a view which could undermine some of the Church's main teachings.

Since its discovery, historians and religious leaders have attempted to both prove and deny the artefact's credibility.
But a new study of the papyrus' ink has undermined the document was written by an author who forged another papyrus.
The text was first shown to the world in 2012 Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King.The collection of documents, which were given to Professor King anonymously, immediately caused a stir.At the time, a furious Vatican newspaper dismissed the find as a fake. One editor, Giovanni Maria Vian, wrote a stinging piece entitled 'At any rate, a fake.'Last year, carbon testing on the papyrus seemed to suggest it was written between the fourth and eighth centuries and was therefore authentic.Now, researchers at Columbia have conducted new tests on the ink used on the papyrus which may confirm the papyrus is genuine.The team are saying little about their results until the study is published.But a detailed report by Owen Jarus at LiveScience, has revealed some results from the research, mainly, that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife holds different ink than the John papyrus.


This is important because last year papyri from the collection were tested for means of comparison.One of those was a fragment from the canonical Gospel of John written in a rare ancient dialect of Coptic known as Lycopolitan.At the time, cross comparisons show the online John text was very similar to the 'ancient' papyrus, CNN reports.

But carbon dating of the John fragment suggests it was from the seventh to ninth centuries.The Lycopolitan dialect died out as a language sometime before the sixth century - a great deal of time before the papyrus was written.Experts said at the time, this was evidence that the whole collection was a fake.James Yardley, a senior research scientist at Columbia University, told Live Science that the new tests suggest that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife was written by another person than that who wrote John papyrus.


[b]WHY SOME EXPERTS BELIEVE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS' WIFE IS FAKE
Critics have said that the fragment is a collage of pieces of the Gospel of Thomas by someone with a dubious grasp of ancient Coptic.
One scholar even claims to have found a typo in an online edition of the gospel, which matches one in what they say is a forgery.
Other experts have claimed that ink pooling suggests that the document was created in modern times.
Leo Depuydt, an Egyptologist at Brown University, said that none of the new tests have convinced him that the papyrus is a fake.
He wrote in the Harvard Theological Review that a forger may have 'wanted to put his or her own spin on modern theological issues' such as celibacy and the role of women in the Church.'As a forgery, it is bad to the point of being farcical or fobbish. . . . I don't buy the argument that this is sophisticated. I think it could be done in an afternoon by an undergraduate student,' he said.The provenance of the papyrus has also been questioned. The owner of the document has asked to remain anonymous but said that he acquired the artefact along with five other papyri in 1999 from a collector who got them in the 1960s in East Germany.
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'In our first exploration, we did state that the inks used for the two documents of interest [the John papyrus and the Gospel of Jesus's Wife] were quite different,' he said.'The more recent results do confirm this observation strongly.'Professor Yardley declined to comment further on the study: 'We are still in the midst of our research and the conclusions are not finalised,' he told DailyMail.com.

Complicating the debate, is the fact that it is difficult to trace the origins of the papyrus.The current owner has asked to remain anonymous, and said that he bought the ancient text from a man named Hans-Ulrich Laukamp in 1999, who acquired it from East Germany in 1963.
A representative of Laukamp's estate has argued, however, that Laukamp, who died in 2002, had never owned a papyrus.
But, after searching public databases in Florida a Live Science reporter, recently uncovered seven signatures signed by Laukamp between 1997 and 2001 on five notarised documents.LiveScience suggests Harvard University could use this to verify the signature to establish the papyrus authenticity.If Laukamp did own the papyrus, then the story of this mysterious text could finally be revealed.

WAS JESUS MARRIED?

[b]Many people over the centuries have tried to work out a 'bloodline' for possible descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
Most historians agree that there is no historical, biblical, archaeological or genetic evidence to support the idea.
But the fragment of papyrus that is said to be a translation of a lost gospel has Jesus referring to 'my wife'
A 13th century Cistercian monk and historian Peter of Vaux de Cernay claimed that Jesus had a relationship with Mary Magdalene.
Early Mormon leaders stated that Jesus as polygamous based upon an obscure passage attributed to a second century Greek philosopher called Celsus.In the 19th century, a politician called Louis Martin published a 'history' book that claimed Jesus was married to Mary and that they both travelled to the South of France where they had a son.Subsequent books have claimed Jesus fathered a child with Mary - or possibly had more offspring with a Kashmiri woman. Author Andreas Faber-Kaiser interviewed one person who claimed to be a Kashmiri descendant of Jesus.
Mary Magdalene has also been said to be the mother of Saint Sarah, while another author claims Jesus and Mary are the ancestors of all the European royal families.Earlier this year, an Israeli geologist claimed he had 'confirmed' the existence and authenticity of a tomb belonging to Jesus and his son in Jerusalem.After extensive chemical tests, Dr Arye Shimron says he has linked the James Ossuary – a 1st-century chalk box that some believe hold the bones of Jesus' brother – to the long disputed 'Jesus Family tomb' in the city's East Talpiot neighbourhood.
The research could have enormous ramifications as it suggests that Jesus was married, fathered a child and that a physical resurrection did not take place.
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Try harder next time

Nd u expect khd95 to read that

Ok

starlingslimnet:
Try harder next time

Statement people utter when they have nothing to say.

I will rather choose not to comment.

They are looking for bloodline well I have Jesus blood flowing in my vein, am sure am the one they are looking for *smiles *