menesheh:
Angels are mighty monster in your brain

CaptainJune:


How can a blind man know what a monster looks like? No insult intended, Menesheh.

menesheh:



The Question is meant for you to answer not me.
How can any reasonable person believe that there are angels let alone how they look like.

CaptainJune:


[b]In your words, how can any reasonable person believe that the human race evolved from apes?

How can any reasonable person look at and believe that the sun, the stars and shooting stars, the moon, the mountains, the oceans, trees, the animals, hills and valleys, the volcanoes, their exact positions, and the presence of elements that sustain life on earth, which are all not present in other planets as well as the entire universe with all its planets all sprang from energy that created itself?

How can a right thinking human believe that his existence is meaningless, yet I wonder how an object meant to live a meaningless life came to discover his purpose of empty existence? Isn't he supposed to live and die like any mindless object, i.e. a tree, without knowing his meaningless purpose of existence? How can a person with a mind, life, senses, and with the ability to experience emotions, with creative abilities other animate things lack equate himself with the existence led by squirrels, dogs, elephants, plants, buffaloes, cattle, penguins, etc? This too is meaningless.

How can a reasonable man say there is no other world besides the physical world despite glaring evidence to the contrary? Many scientists without any religious affiliations who have conducted years of experiments on the possibility of the afterlife all came with the same conclusion that consciousness continues even after the brain dies. Yet, the so-called reasonable man insists it is not possible. He has conducted no experiment into the matter but refuses to believe those who have.

Finally, how can a reasonable man doubt the testimonies of a multitude of people from different races, countries, era, ages, language, and geographical locations, all saying the same thing about the reality of heaven, hell, angels and demons? How can a reasonable man say they are all suffering hallucinations when, scientifically, it is impossible given the limitations of time, space, distance, and age, of the possibility of ALL suffering the same specie of hallucination?

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menesheh:



All your arguments are logical fallacious appeal to ignorant.

Help yourself and pick any textbook on logic and argument, then detect by yourself those fallacies in your argument one by one.
Then quote me after then

CaptainJune:


No, you help yourself and use your reason. Those who wrote the textbooks on logic never claimed to offer any conclusive or full explanation behind existence, the world, and the universe. Their essays are but hypotheses at best.

This blind 'faith' in man's limited knowledge (textbooks) is the reason why God has hidden knowledge from the (proud) wise and revealed them to (the humble) babies.

Until you provide a conclusive explanation for your conviction in your scientific belief of the origin of existence, your claim to a reasonable man is just like a schizophrenic's claim to sanity. Again, no insult intended and never will.

CaptainJune:


[b]In your words, how can any reasonable person believe that the human race evolved from apes?

How can any reasonable person look at and believe that the sun, the stars and shooting stars, the moon, the mountains, the oceans, trees, the animals, hills and valleys, the volcanoes, their exact positions, and the presence of elements that sustain life on earth, which are all not present in other planets as well as the entire universe with all its planets all sprang from energy that created itself?

How can a right thinking human believe that his existence is meaningless, yet I wonder how an object meant to live a meaningless life came to discover his purpose of empty existence? Isn't he supposed to live and die like any mindless object, i.e. a tree, without knowing his meaningless purpose of existence? How can a person with a mind, life, senses, and with the ability to experience emotions, with creative abilities other animate things lack equate himself with the existence led by squirrels, dogs, elephants, plants, buffaloes, cattle, penguins, etc? This too is meaningless.

How can a reasonable man say there is no other world besides the physical world despite glaring evidence to the contrary? Many scientists without any religious affiliations who have conducted years of experiments on the possibility of the afterlife all came with the same conclusion that consciousness continues even after the brain dies. Yet, the so-called reasonable man insists it is not possible. He has conducted no experiment into the matter but refuses to believe those who have.

Finally, how can a reasonable man doubt the testimonies of a multitude of people from different races, countries, era, ages, language, and geographical locations, all saying the same thing about the reality of heaven, hell, angels and demons? How can a reasonable man say they are all suffering hallucinations when, scientifically, it is impossible given the limitations of time, space, distance, and age, of the possibility of ALL suffering the same specie of hallucination?

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CaptainJune:


[b]In your words, how can any reasonable person believe that the human race evolved from apes?

How can any reasonable person look at and believe that the sun, the stars and shooting stars, the moon, the mountains, the oceans, trees, the animals, hills and valleys, the volcanoes, their exact positions, and the presence of elements that sustain life on earth, which are all not present in other planets as well as the entire universe with all its planets all sprang from energy that created itself?

How can a right thinking human believe that his existence is meaningless, yet I wonder how an object meant to live a meaningless life came to discover his purpose of empty existence? Isn't he supposed to live and die like any mindless object, i.e. a tree, without knowing his meaningless purpose of existence? How can a person with a mind, life, senses, and with the ability to experience emotions, with creative abilities other animate things lack equate himself with the existence led by squirrels, dogs, elephants, plants, buffaloes, cattle, penguins, etc? This too is meaningless.

How can a reasonable man say there is no other world besides the physical world despite glaring evidence to the contrary? Many scientists without any religious affiliations who have conducted years of experiments on the possibility of the afterlife all came with the same conclusion that consciousness continues even after the brain dies. Yet, the so-called reasonable man insists it is not possible. He has conducted no experiment into the matter but refuses to believe those who have.

Finally, how can a reasonable man doubt the testimonies of a multitude of people from different races, countries, era, ages, language, and geographical locations, all saying the same thing about the reality of heaven, hell, angels and demons? How can a reasonable man say they are all suffering hallucinations when, scientifically, it is impossible given the limitations of time, space, distance, and age, of the possibility of ALL suffering the same specie of hallucination?

[/b]

winner01:
This is solid.

menesheh:



All your arguments are logical fallacious appeal to ignorant.

Help yourself and pick any textbook on logic and argument, then detect by yourself those fallacies in your argument one by one.
Then quote me after then

Blackfire:



@captainjune u my friend hit me, with an uppercut unknowingly... I wish some christains can be expose like u, give we the atheist a knock out reply to our questions,rather than higi haga murmuring from ya folks.
Like someone said this is solid.

Parisbookaddict come see this.

parisbookaddict:

The OP put him in his place. Very simple and profound points.

parisbookaddict:


U just committed ad hominem Mr atheist. Why don't u focus on presenting ur "wonderful" logical argument rather than imply how unclever the op is.

you, Mr atheist believe u come from an ape who just accidentally happens to exist for no reason and out of the choas of the big bang came order without the intervention of anything. If you break your watch to pieces, detach all the mechanical parts and pour it in a blend for a million years (chaos) will it all find its way back together and produce a working watch. NO. but this is what u believe. Out of chaos and meaninglessness came perfect order by the intervention of nothing.

The op and other theists believe they are created in the image of an infinite & perfect being who existed before all else and has revealed himself to his creation as he sees fit; and who created a perfect universe which works like clockwork, the only known planet in the billions of universes which has the only single conditions to support human life. We believe we are infinite beings who continue to exist after human life.

Mr atheist you appeal to textbooks on logical arguments written by men in an attempt to appear smart but please let's see how smart are, start quoting the logical fallacies as it concerns the OPs arguement. Even at that it won't matter, here is why;

We Christians appeal to the bible, the inspired word of a perfect being and thousands of years of wisdom both human and divine. A life manual full of lessons on how to live and the consequences of sin. A book that transcends all human knowledge.

Mr atheist one day you will need a miracle perhaps then u will see how important God really is. And when u bend your knees to pray with sincerity and humbled, he will listen.

parisbookaddict:


U just committed ad hominem Mr atheist. Why don't u focus on presenting ur "wonderful" logical argument rather than imply how unclever the op is.

You, Mr atheist believe u come from an ape who just accidentally happens to exist for no reason and out of the choas of the big bang came order without the intervention of anything. If you break your watch to pieces, detach all the mechanical parts and pour it in a blend for a million years (chaos) will it all find its way back together and produce a working watch. NO. but this is what u believe. Out of chaos and meaninglessness came perfect order by the intervention of nothing.


The op and other theists believe they are created in the image of an infinite & perfect being who existed before all else and has revealed himself to his creation as he sees fit; and who created a perfect universe which works like clockwork, the only known planet in the billions of universes which has the only single conditions to support human life. We believe we are infinite beings who continue to exist after human life.

Mr atheist you appeal to textbooks on logical arguments written by men in an attempt to appear smart but please let's see how smart are, start quoting the logical fallacies as it concerns the OPs arguement. Even at that it won't matter, here is why;

We Christians appeal to the bible, the inspired word of a perfect being and thousands of years of wisdom both human and divine. A life manual full of lessons on how to live and the consequences of sin. A book that transcends all human knowledge.

Mr atheist one day you will need a miracle perhaps then u will see how important God really is. And when u bend your knees to pray with sincerity and humbled, he will listen.

This too is solid, is this the era of solidity .

menesheh:


My happiness is that you understand to some degree how one can appeal to fallacies, that's why you detected that i committed ad hominem. Yea you are right.

My reasons being that both of us(CaptainJune) have been engaging in the same sort of argument over and over and over again. I tried my possible best and still trying to draw him to atleast checkout how inference and induction works, so that he will admit as i just did now whenever he is wrong or at most recognize when he is appealing to some logical fallacies.

I never said anything about those things am convinced about their facts. You are being dishonest by labouring those things like evolution and big bang on me on no just cause.

By the way, that's where the evidence are pointing to. If the evidence points to creationism, so be it. I will be compelled to follow suit.

I don't give a fvck about your personal belief.

I care about what's true. If you believe there is a dragon that do visits you in your dreams and you fervently believed that it is real, good for you. My problem is trying to subject me to play with the toy and also trying so hard to instigate your personal beliefs to the rest of the population.

I appealed to no textbook for my defense against his propositions but was trying to suggest to him to look up the intellectual processes human do apply in the cause of making decisions, so that both of us can have a more rational argument rather strawman sort of.

That's the problem here, i never said you are wrong about the bible but of the opinion that we didn't yet have enough evidence to say with certainty that those things are facts. We have to investigate and evaluate it's content, if there are good reasons to start believing those things, good, but if there none, we have push it where it should be resting until the time we have good reasons to believing it.

One day one day one day. Ok
Try praying fervently to your god to reveal himself to me so that i will rejoin you back. Am not gonna bend my knees to anything without good reasons and justifications.