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Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 2:33pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
IamAtribalist: The only article I think i've pasted here is that of Acholonu. The rest were written by me. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 2:39pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
IamAtribalist: Some people would want to think of Igbo as one of the oldest surviving languages of the world, or better still a surviving proto-language of our world till today. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 2:45pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
ChinenyeN: Thanks for the clarification. I just wanted to get across to you that research is never-ending and established facts are often supplemented, or even totally replaced by newer or totally different established facts. The entire world once thought that the earth was flat such that if humans got to the end of the earth they would fall off. Remember, there was no solid proof or evidence for this theory and it was more of a widely-held and 'established' fact in the minds of humans at one time. This school of thought was held by the 'intellects' and 'great thinkers' of the society then only to be replaced in years to come with the theory that the earth is indeed spherical (i.e. roundish but a bit flattened at the top). |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by IamAtribalist: 2:47pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Some people also would want to think the earth is just 6000 years old - you see how that works? 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 2:52pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
IamAtribalist: Yes, if justifiable by concrete evidence. I think supporters of that theory use the bible to justify a much younger earth than science espouses. Afterall, the Egyptian pyramids is recorded to have risen to fore at around 3000BC and we are currently in 2015AD, summing both years up of which gives nearly 5000 years +. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by IamAtribalist: 3:02pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Yes except they are flat out wrong. And the age of the earliest Egyptian civilization has NOTHING to do with the age of the PHYSICAL earth. Common are you smoking expired weed? 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Nobody: 9:44pm On Sep 23, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Cool. No shii. I was sure Catherine Acholonu was bound to enter this discourse at some point. Hopefully in future there'll be a more appropriate thread where we can really get into Acholonu's contributions to prehistory and linguistics. I'm sure she was a brilliant academic - in her own field, which is Literature. Her master's and doctorate degrees were in English and African Literature. So I'm sure she was in a class of her own when discussing and critically analysing the plays of Wole Soyinka and Samuel Beckett, or the poems of Christopher Okigbo and Robert Browning. But when she veered into prehistory, anthropology and historical linguistics, she was more like an imaginative Professor of Physics trying to decode ancient Etruscan inscriptions - out of her depth, 'original' and 'entertaining', rather than intellectually sound. Taking one of many examples, in one paper where she argued that Igbo was once a global lingua franca and the mother of the Semitic languages, she said things to the effect that: 1. Igbos migrated from the legendary civilization of Atlantis, 2. She implied that Adam was a historical figure predated by the Igbo and the Igbo language, 3. She said that the Egyptian city of Hellopolis was in Punt (ignoring the fact that archaeologists are positive about where Hellopolis was - and it wasn't Punt), and then she went ahead to say that Punt wasn't even in Northeast Africa at all, but in the forested area of West Africa (even though we have contemporary written evidence from Ancient Egypt that places Punt in the general Northeast African area), 4. Then she went even a step further and said Igbo-Ukwu WAS Hellopolis and that Igbo-Ukwu/Heliopolis was the source of both Egyptian and Indian Civilizations. Bro, I believe in thinking outside the box, but I don't believe in thinking outside the bounds of reason. Catherine Acholonu perfected the art of thinking outside the bounds of reason. She got accolades for her works, no doubt - though those accolades were largely from the literary community (a Flora Nwapa award, a Phillis Wheatley award); the 'Historical Studies' community shunned her basically. I patiently read the Acholonu article you pasted here. I wasn't disappointed. She quoted some researchers on the origin and evolution of human language, then she proceeded to take their theories out of context. The lack of consistency between what the language researchers postulated and the conclusions Acholonu reached are amazing! You couldn't have missed it if you had read and understood it. 2 Likes |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by lawani: 12:27pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
YOU SAY OLUKUNMI ARE ON IGBO LAND? HOW ARE THEY ON IGBO LAND? THEY BORDER FULL IGBOS TO THE EAST! ARE THERE IGBOS BEHIND THEM? OR TO THEIR WEST? WE HAVE EDOID GROUPS BEHIND THEM NOT NECESSARILY IGBOS. SO THEY ARE ON THEIR LAND AND NOT NECESSARILY ON IGBO LAND! YOU SAY IGBO IS ANCESTOR OF YORUBA LANGUAGE? THAT IS NOT AN ACADEMIC STATEMENT! YOU SAY IGBO IS THE PROTO FORM OR ANCESTOR OF YORUBA? THAT ISNT ACADEMIC! WHY? THERE ARE DIFFERENT IGBO DIALECTS THAT ARE NOT MUTUALLY INTELLIGIBLE, THEN YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED EKPEYE A LANGUAGE YOU SAY IS SIMILAR TO IGBO. SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE PROTO FORM OF LANGUAGES IN FAMILIES! AND THE ANCESTOR OF EKPEYE AND IGBO ISNT EKPEYE OR IGBO! CANT YOU DEDUCE THAT? SO HOW MUCH MORE YORUBA AND IGBO? THAT IS THE LOGIC. THEN THE ANCESTORS OF IGBOS MADE A LOUSY DECISION WHEN THEY REJECTED KINGS. THAT WAS A LOUSY DECISION. IT WAS HOW THEY SEPARATED FROM YORUBAS! LET ME TELL YOU, IGBO UKWU DOES NOT BELONG TO A KINGLESS SOCIETY! THOSE ARTWORKS ARE NOT NRI BUT IFE. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
lawani:lol@ igboukwu artworks are not NRI but ife |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by lawani: 3:32pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
catal: DEDUCTIVE REASONING IS PART OF WHAT MAKES US HUMAN! THE IFE IN OSUN WAS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OLD IFES CLOSE TO THAT AREA! AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN IFES ON LAND NOW TAGGED IGBO LAND!. THE IGBO UKWU BRONZES DEFINITELY ORIGINATED FROM IFE IGALA OR IFE IJUMU. BY THE WAY IGBO UKWU MEANS BURIAL FOREST OR DEATH FOREST IN YORUBA LANGUAGE!. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Nobody: 3:39pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
lawani:lol, you're still sounding stupid. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Probz(m): 4:29pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
lawani: Know your place, kid. bigfrancis will roast you when he sees this nonsense. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 6:53pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
Probz: Lol. The kid is a troll. He's well-known here for speculating unreasonable things. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by lawani: 7:25pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
WHEN YOU TALK RUBBISH, IT SHOWS YOUR MENTAL ABILITY AND YOU LOSE CREDIT WITH QUALITY, INTELLIGENT READERS ACROSS THE GLOBE. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Probz(m): 9:08pm On Jan 26, 2017 |
lawani: You've just accurately described your posts in a sentence. How old are you? Straight question. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Probz(m): 5:35pm On Feb 06, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Just re-read this thread and I just had to bring this to the spotlight. I don't believe everything I come across online but you can't let an article like this go by without bringing it to the spotlight. Any further research been conducted on this, bigfrancis? |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by SUNNYsparkle: 11:43am On May 17, 2017 |
Omi in Igbo also mean Spring Water |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by SUNNYsparkle: 11:50am On May 17, 2017 |
lawani:Please did you attend to any school at all? This is the most unacademic thing I've seen of recent. What course did you study? Who are you quarreling with the you have to descend so low to go against proven studies. Nowadays people are not into this low life ethnic rivalry and politics, we are only interested in studies not outbursts. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Nobody: 1:37pm On May 17, 2017 |
@lawani The people of Olukwumi are Igbo. No doubt about it. They are Igbo. In fact they are the aboriginal Igbos that Moremi married into. If Olugbo claims he married Moremi, then Ugbo also might be one of the Olukwumi, just as Ugbodu, Onicha Ugbo, etc. are. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by lawani: 9:46pm On Jul 28, 2017 |
igbodefender:. They all speak Igbo as second language after their Yoruba dialect. That puts them under the Igbo umbrella but they are Yorubas. I have explained using the people of Alsace Lorraine in France. Those people are Germans by ethnicity but under France. They are French citizens. ok? |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by geosegun(m): 10:15pm On Jul 28, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: So what makes you think Igbo cannot be an offshoot of Ancient Yoruba Language? Why do you always want to measure up to the Youruba in your achievements. Let me tell. it is a sign of inferiority complex. You are possibly a tribal bigot. How dear you compare the yoruba race to Igbo ukwu or what have you or Bini Kingdom to the world wide acknowledge Oyo empire. Even the Benin Kingdom you mention only became relevant when the Oyo empire was having internal problems. The Benins know this... So you are claiming a civilization that walks around almost naked just about a 100 years ago is grester than an empire that developed adire almost half a millenium ago and the great art that the Europeans describe as second to non in its time? You better dont start what you can not finish? You better get your act right before tribal bogotry destroy the little life you have left. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by geosegun(m): 10:29pm On Jul 28, 2017 |
igbodefender: Olukumi are Yorubas. Google it and you can only tell your own story a not tell the story of others. They said they are Yorubas and a tpyical will alwsys be yourubas irrespective of locations. That tells the reason why the Yoruba culture survived even in far away Brazil and the Carribeans. How can you force a people into a race they said they do not belong? Common! |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by bigfrancis21: 4:57am On Jul 29, 2017 |
lawani: Not really. For most of them, if not all, Igbo is their native language and Olukwumi an extra language to the elderly especially. Asides speaking Olukwumi in addition to the generally spoken Igbo, they are the same culturally and traditionally as other Igbos. There are 6 olukumi villages, out of which 3 have switched to Igbo completely leaving traces of partial bilingualism in Igbo and Olukwumi in the other 3 villages, especially in Ugbodu (one quarter especially in the entire Ugbodu village). As confirmed by many anioma people, Olukwumi identify as Olukwumi or Delta Igbo or Anioma, rarely as Yoruba. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by ewa26: 3:23pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
ofe oha ok, ingredients u wee need - mashed potato, 22 hot scotch bonnet pepper, 1 teaspoon cameroon pepe, a medium bunch ora leaves, uziza seed, curry and turmeric, beef and paprika, ogiri ok mash the potato and grind the uziza seeding. then cook d beef with no wata (d natural juice in beef is enough for stock), you can add wata once e don cook finish ok, den put em distin, eh he ora leafy (ora is tougher than uziza so must come first) with the mash potato, wait until the potato dissolve wello, den put u pepper, condiments and ogiri and let it boil for 7 mins (well dat the time all the ingredients will come together and blend ok). then serve with akamu, pepper soup or (MY FAVE) jollof rice DAT is how we cook ofe oha in delta state, in the part of delta ibo i from in ogwashi ukwu ok. you can add a little ketchup for colouring but I like my ora soup plain ok. DO NOT PUT PALM OIL. |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by ewa26: 6:38pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: echoligwagee oo k |
Re: Igbos Vs Yorubas: Similarities In Diversity by Nobody: 8:55pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: thanks for your long write up. But oduans didn't migrated from eastern igbo. on olukunmi stuff; olukumi simply means "my friend" |
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