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MizJanet:


@ op , chrstianity teach that there are two destinies for everyone . Heaven or hell .

According to ur thread , nobody can go to heaven unless they re born - again .


My question is : where did Noah go when he died ? . Heaven Or Hell

Was he born - again ?

Living4christ:


Heaven, even methusalah, Daniel, moses, Elijah, Elisha etc. Those days there was no christ no cross, God worked on them specially.

You forget that those men aint born agains, yet they see the kingdom of God , which clearly contradict Jesus word that "unless any man is born again " .

I like the way you people contradict yourselves .

then you just prove Jesus is not the way , Daniel nd moses made heaven without Jesus dying for their sins ? Yes Or No

MizJanet:


@ op , chrstianity teach that there are two destinies for everyone . Heaven or hell .

According to ur thread , nobody can go to heaven unless they re born - again .


My question is : where did Noah go when he died ? . Heaven Or Hell

Was he born - again ?

Shollyps:
...where is Abraham, David,Jacob,Isaac right now?

MizJanet:



You forget that those men aint born agains, yet they see the kingdom of God , which clearly contradict Jesus word that "unless any man is born again " .

I like the way you people contradict yourselves .

then you just prove Jesus is not the way , Daniel nd moses made heaven without Jesus dying for their sins ? Yes Or No

MizJanet:



You forget that those men aint born agains, yet they see the kingdom of God , which clearly contradict Jesus word that "unless any man is born again " .

I like the way you people contradict yourselves .

then you just prove Jesus is not the way , Daniel nd moses made heaven without Jesus dying for their sins ? Yes Or No

Ebony7:


, ALL the dead, both righteous and sinners went 'down'!
There spirits were held captive in the lower parts of the earth. The sinners went to hell while the righteous were located above them in Abraham's bosom. Separating them was a mighty Gulf such that ppl from hell COULD NOT cross over to Abrahams bosom,
Luke 16 v 19-31

***No, none of them was born again at death
[/b]

Ebony7:


[b]Of a truth, NO ONE can see (talk less of entering) the kingdom of God except they are born again. Jn 3 v 3.
Before the death & resurrection of JC, NONE of d old testament Prophets saw/entered d kingdom of God. Once they died, they went straight down to Abrahams Bosom which was also beneath the earth but separated from hell by a large, uncrossable gulf.
They were there patiently waiting for the coming of Christ-The Messiah Lk 7 v 19-20.
They received salvation (during d 3 days) when Jesus Christ was crucified, died, descended, preached to them and ascended taking them on high with him. Matthew 27:50-53.
That was when they had d opportunity to SEE and ENTER the Kingdom of God!

So, Moses, Daniel etc made heaven WITH Jesus Christ!

All in all, Jesus Christ died for EVERYBODY'S sin(s) - mine, urs, David's, Noah's, the 'white', the 'black' etc. Just accept Him as ur Lord and Saviour! Except being born

Living4christ
so it pleased God to allow them enter the kingdom of heaven

Even though they are not born again , shey ?
So Jesus was lying when he said " UNLESS any man is born again " ?

MizJanet:


See delusion .

dont play Ludo game here , ur bible said Abraham BOssom , nw what is a bossom ? Literally "A persons chest position"

E.g john 13:23 - an apostle rest on the BossoM of Jesus . Not some crazy place beneath the soil but His chest position . Thats the meaning of bossom. Simple english

The bossom of the man , Abraham refers to the chestlike position of the man called Abraham .[/b]

MizJanet:


What is Abraham BOSSOM ? - clue: Gen 16:5

MizJanet:




...... tell me - how can Abel die and go to the bossom of a man called Abraham who is not yet born ? ? ?

MizJanet:



Even though they are not born again , shey ?


So Jesus was lying when he said " UNLESS any man is born again " ?

Ebony7:



bos·om (bo͝oz′əm, bo͞o′zəm)
n.
1.
a. The chest of a human: He held the
sleepy child to his bosom.
b. A woman's breast or breasts.
2. The part of a garment covering the
chest or breasts.
3. The security and closeness likened
to being held in a warm familial
Embrace: We welcomed the stranger
into the bosom of our family.
4. The chest considered as the source
of emotion.
adj.
Beloved; intimate: a bosom friend.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bosom
The word "bosom" as used in Luke 16:19-31 is used in the context of the (bolded) 3rd definition above.
"Abraham's Bosom" in this context is a translation d Greek word "kolpos [color=red] which conveys: "Abrahams side", "Abraham's arms", [u]"next to Abraham", [/u]Abraham's vicinity, "with Abraham".

NOW, it's Settled!

Ebony7:


I've already answered this in my 3rd post (@ 1.40pm October 29) above. Kindly check it.
Again, 4 emphasis, no "unborn again" shall enter the Kingdom of God!
Thanks.

you didnt answer anything , after you are caught red - handed trying to twist a mere bossom into a crazy place , you changed direction nd said abraham bossom refer to Abrahams Side .

That means all your dead go to the side of Abraham , you mean Abel died and go to the bossom side of a man named Abraham thats not yet born ?

Ebony7:

Good question!
1) Hebrew 7v9: "... Levi (Abraham's Great-grandchild) also, .... paid tithe in Abraham"
**How could ds be, since he was still in Abraham's loins?
.

2) John 1v30, John said, "This is he (Jesus) of whom I said, 'After me cometh a man which is preferred b4 me; for he was before me' ".
**How could ds be since John was "older" (at least in d physical sense) than Jesus?
Simple!

Here lies the answer:

** Psalm 135v6,
** Luke 1v37

MizJanet:



Even though they are not born again , shey ?


So Jesus was lying when he said " UNLESS any man is born again " ?

MizJanet:
See how hard you have to twist the below bible verses just to defend an absurd concept .



The writer is not dogmatic . He said " one might even say" . To explain his point he said Levi is still in Abrahams "loins" . That render the expression FIGURATIVE . Not that Levi himself literally approach melchizedek

Is Abel in Abrahams loins ? !!!



According to Christians Jesus preexist his birth, so your question is both dumb
and silly

Did Abraham Preexist Abel ?

Ebony7:


Of a truth, NO ONE can see (talk less of entering) the kingdom of God except they are born again. Jn 3 v 3.
Before the death & resurrection of JC, NONE of d old testament Prophets saw/entered d kingdom of God. Once they died, they went straight down to Abrahams Bosom which was also beneath the earth but separated from hell by a large, uncrossable gulf.
They were there patiently waiting for the coming of Christ-The Messiah Lk 7 v 19-20.
They received salvation (during d 3 days) when Jesus Christ was crucified, died, descended, preached to them and ascended taking them on high with him. Matthew 27:50-53.
That was when they had d opportunity to SEE and ENTER the Kingdom of God!

So, Moses, Daniel etc made heaven WITH Jesus Christ!

All in all, Jesus Christ died for EVERYBODY'S sin(s) - mine, urs, David's, Noah's, the 'white', the 'black' etc. Just accept Him as ur Lord and Saviour! Except being born again, It's a classic 'One Chance to hell' scenario!

Living4christ:


Jesus was not a human he is the son of God, he took Human form to save human, Phillipian 2:5-8

Living4christ:


Did you read the scriptural reference i gave you?
Read it you will understand what i'm saying, The fear of God was the only thing they had then, if you have it you will enter into his kingdom, because Jesus had not yet come, it was still on the process.

Living4christ:


Moses did not go to abraham's bosom, Hebrews 1:9, God took him, even Methuselah, he did not see death God took him, Elijah also, He did not see death God took him, God took them to heaven not abraham's bosom, The people that might have went there were the ordinary prophets and minor prophets and also people who had the fear of God.

MizJanet:


@ red _ Thats where the problem lies , how can Abel die and go to the side of a man called Abraham [size=20] who is not yet born? [/size]

MizJanet:


Your friend said john the baptist is older than Jesus. So John definitely lied when he said Jesus is older . while trying to defend his heretic theory

So whats ur point with the stuff u wrote above ?

Ebony7:



According to the Bible - Almighty God's Word, Jesus Christ (though physically younger) preexist John the Baptist - John 1v30; he also preceeded Moses- John 8v56-58.
Do you agree with this "Biblical assertions"?
If yes, why should you find it absurd that Abraham (could) preexist Abel (or perhaps any other progenitor)?

Loooooolssss , Abraham pre - exist Abel .

That means Abraham came down from heaven like bible Jesus . Shey ?

You are actually telling me that Jesus Lied , when he said he is the only one that has come down from heaven _ john 3:13

Jesus : " no man has ever been to heaven except the one [ Jesus] who came from heaven , the son of man "

Ebony7: Stop lying , even abraham pre - exist and come down from heaven .

MizJanet:




According to Christians Jesus preexist his birth, so your question is both dumb
and silly

Did Abraham Preexist Abel ?