Pdizzle:
I, though being a christian, have learnt a lot from the numerous intelligent atheists here trying to debunk the theism theory logically. I for one think they argue with very good points, but let's look in the direction of the African Traditional Religion. This is a religion where worshippers tends to see and feel the effectiveness of the African voodoo on a practical basis.
These traditionalist not only rely on faith as in the case of Christianity.
There are likewise situation in the christendom too, in the case of prophecies, miracles e.t.c even though some are proven to be hoax. But we have some people with one-on-one experiences.
My questions are; What is the stance of you atheists on the African Traditional Religion? These are proofs of supernatural powers.
Won't it be unfair if you accept the existence of these dieties and deny the existence of Jehovah?
Or are you intelligent folks saying 'powers that be' don't exist at all?
What are your views on witches, sorcerers, magicians etc.

Addietunes:


To be sincere as an atheist, i dont know if their power is real or they are just tricks. But you might wanna answer these questions, thousands of years ago Yoruba's believed sango existed, they believed him so much that when it rains they believed he controls thunderstorms. At the same period, just kilometres away, igbos believed and feared amadioha because of the same power over thunderstorms. Moving out of Nigeria to Greece we hear about Zeus controlling thunderstorms. Now over the world at that time there were thousands of gods controlling thunderstorms and each tribe believed and feared them. Now the questions are that, were these people all correct or all wrong, or maybe the lack of scientific knowledge made them to reason alike. If the gods then were real are they still real? You do know those traditionalist you mentioned believed them. Remember the answer you give to these questions, because they are the answers you desire to know.

Pdizzle:


Come to think of it, these are different people in different geographical locations. What if Sango is Amadioha and Amadioha is Zeus. People still worship them today and it still works for them.

CoolUsername:
But where was their jazz when the whites attacked?

Pdizzle:


Come to think of it, these are different people in different geographical locations. What if Sango is Amadioha and Amadioha is Zeus. People still worship them today and it still works for them.

JigsawKillah:
I was opportuned to be in the front seat when a girl was being delivered from what the Igbos call 'Ogbanje'. During the rituals, a hole was dug, the medicine man said some incantations and threw an egg into the hole. It disappeared instantly.


Tell me what I saw was an illusion. . .

Addietunes:


Seems you are not here for answers but to challenge the atheistic belief. People like you can never believe in facts, even if you were enlightened.

krattoss:
op what would u call electromagnetic waves if not for proper education?

why don't u call call making and answering juju?
or internet? just because u have known the facts and realities behind them.

by the time u know the facts and fictions behind ur so called juju, then u will know that everything in this world has an explanation.. but some are yet to be explained.

Pdizzle:


I like that angle. But let's look at it critically, Science is an established idea proven through empirical formulaes, Voodoo on the other hand has its process but more of mystical. We know chips are put in phones as processors and the physics is explicable, but how do we explain a leaf that make one dissappear.

Pdizzle:


I like that angle. But let's look at it critically, Science is an established idea proven through empirical formulaes, Voodoo on the other hand has its process but more of mystical. We know chips are put in phones as processors and the physics is explicable, but how do we explain a leaf that make one dissappear.

krattoss:
lol.. u know what? in as much as I don't want to doubt that a leaf makes one to disappear.. now kindly proof to me that a leaf can make someone disappear.


have u seen such with ur bare eyes?

why isn't there a record or a documented video evidence of such?

u see, to the best of my knowledge, I think these guys play with our minds.

if leafs makes someone disappears, then I think I might have to get one and go rob some banks Tommorow.

Pdizzle:


Now you're being sceptical, even though they play with our mind, it works. I have heard of an accident in which the driver disappeared, also seen live Sango stage play magic. Are you yoruba, have you heard of 'egbé'

Pdizzle:

What are your views on witches, sorcerers, magicians etc.

CoolUsername:
Jazz is very powerful in stories but when the camera crew comes along it is explained quite easily. I remember when National Geographic was still a quality network, they did a documentary on all those guys who use 'jazz' to stab themselves and feel no pain. The theory was that it was the power of the mind can sometimes translate to the body.

For example, if a person is having aches, dctors give them sugar pills and lie that they are painkillers and sure enough, it works. So to test it out the guy National Geographic guy who was doing the investigation convinced himself that he could do all these stuff, so he psyched himself up and stabbed himself through the cheek with no pain.

Nothing supernatural after all, just mind over matter.

CoolUsername:
Jazz is very powerful in stories but when the camera crew comes along it is explained quite easily. I remember when National Geographic was still a quality network, they did a documentary on all those guys who use 'jazz' to stab themselves and feel no pain. The theory was that it was the power of the mind can sometimes translate to the body.

For example, if a person is having aches, dctors give them sugar pills and lie that they are painkillers and sure enough, it works. So to test it out the guy National Geographic guy who was doing the investigation convinced himself that he could do all these stuff, so he psyched himself up and stabbed himself through the cheek with no pain.

Nothing supernatural after all, just mind over matter.

Pdizzle:


Well you're talking about the placebo effect, but i think jazz and the ATC is more than that due to the processes, ingredients and initiations. Can you put your mind over matter and stand in front of a dane gun or pscyche yourself up and let me axe you with a UTC?

onetrack:
It is my firm conviction that everything has a natural explanation. If someone says that they saw juju working, then I presume that they were tricked by some clever charlatan. I have never seen anything supernatural, and there are people in the west who have rewards waiting for someone who can really do juju/magic. But no one is ever able to claim the reward.

winner01:
They will share their views on witches, some will make sense, some will not.
Try harder but you cant make them cant shift focus away from christianity to the african traditional religion, islam and co. They dont have the human capacity to do that.
The do not control their obsession for christianity, the devil does.
The devil know the truth, you will be seeing them here for a long while.

CoolUsername:
Thanks for the kind offer but I'll have to politely decline. I'm just saying that I want to see jazz on video in a way that can't be explained.

You don't have to see jazz on video, there are a lot of festivals that go down in the South West, you can attend one. I really wish i had the genuine atheists view of ATR

Pdizzle:


Devil? Lol. Let's leave Christianity out of this and analyse logically.

Pdizzle:



You don't have to see jazz on video, there are a lot of festivals that go down in the South West, you can attend one. I really wish i had the genuine atheists view of ATR

onetrack:
It is my firm conviction that everything has a natural explanation. If someone says that they saw juju working, then I presume that they were tricked by some clever charlatan. I have never seen anything supernatural, and there are people in the west who have rewards waiting for someone who can really do juju/magic. But no one is ever able to claim the reward.

CoolUsername:
B-b-but I'm a genuine atheist .

Dudes like me can't come all the way from Abuja to the South West, unfortunately. So, if these guys are so confident in their abilities; then, they should film that their work in action.

Street magicians pull off tricks all the time, but they don't claim that they are real. Hypnotists make people do stuff but they never claim to have any power. But in Nigeria, when a dude does a little parlour trick everybody is completely sold on his 'powers'.

Critical thinking is something that's seriously lacking in this part of the world.

CoolUsername:
B-b-but I'm a genuine atheist .

CoolUsername:
Dudes like me can't come all the way from Abuja to the South West, unfortunately. So, if these guys are so confident in their abilities; then, they should film that their work in action.

CoolUsername:
magicians pull off tricks all the time, but they don't claim that they are real. Hypnotists make people do stuff but they never claim to have any power. But in Nigeria, when a dude does a little parlour trick everybody is completely sold on his 'powers'.

CoolUsername:
Critical thinking is something that's seriously lacking in this part of the world.

malvisguy212:
see bro. I've even seen a little boy beat up a grown up man with the help of juju.

I've see a lady who was HIV positive, I know her for long with the disease . She was healed in a crusade I attend with her. That very day, me and my friend was on the same seat, as the pastor began to pray, my friend start speak with some kind of voice, uncontrolled voice, double voice, I was suprise.

There are many peoples her who are possessed with evil spirit but did not know, this spirit will hardened your heart and prevent you from believing in God.

UyiIredia:


So there must be fake atheists.

UyiIredia:

Go to your nearest Christ Embassy branch and ask if they'll play videos of Pastor Chris performing miracles like healing , casting out demons etc. If so, go to the church, watch and evaluate the evidence for yourself.

UyiIredia:

Jazz is for real. This ain't cheap parlor tricks that involve sleights of hand. The problem is not with the (not stage magicians) but with you and your irrational doubts and fears.

UyiIredia:

Critical thinking isn't materialistic thinking please.

CoolUsername:

Nah bro, I was just joking around. I really don't care about 'real' or 'fake'.

CoolUsername:
I'll like to see him heal an amputee. You know? Something that is very difficult to fake onscreen.

CoolUsername:
I'm not scared of anything. I'm just like, if you're so strong let people see. If you do jazz to fly for example, fly around the country so people all over can come and patronize you.

UyiIredia:



You are so damn naive. Jazz is secondary. Strength of character is far more important than the ability to do miracles. I suggest you go back to the Bible, read up on all the miracles God did and how people remained rebellious and unbelieving.