. . . . . . Then why did Olaudah Equiano, an "Eboe" abolitionist, propose it all the way back in 1789 as well? The state of Israel wasn't exactly a paradise then and Jewish people weren't exactly the most richest in those days (or the most liked), they didn't even have a state, so why would Olaudah Equiano, an established man, latch on to the Jews among all people (why not the English?) because of "self esteem issues"?

Read the last paragraph on this page till page 27: http://books.google.com/books?id=FXVkAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&#PPA22,M1

Why are you bothering us with circumstantial evidence? If you are serious about proving your semitic origin, there are modern methods like DNA testing for example that would put this issue to rest.

Just do that and post the results before you begin to bore us with all this hearsay evidence.

ow11:

Why are you bothering us with circumstantial evidence? If you are serious about proving your semitic origin, there are modern methods like DNA testing for example that would put this issue to rest.

Just do that and post the results before you begin to bore us with all this hearsay evidence.

Could you answer this question, did anyone tell you to click the link? If no ones gonna offer up any evidence then who is going to care in doing the DNA test in the first place?

ezeagu:

Could you answer this question, did anyone tell you to click the link? If no ones gonna offer up any evidence then who is going to care in doing the DNA test in the first place?

The people who care that they are black Jews should care to do the test else we would continue to see their claim as what the title of this thread suggests.

ow11:

The people who care that they are black Jews should care to do the test else we would continue to see their claim as what the title of this thread suggests.

Wow, I didn't know it was that simple! BTW I don't believe in the term "black Jews", but thats just me. . . . . .

ezeagu:

Wow, I didn't know it was that simple! BTW I don't believe in the term "black Jews", but thats just me. . . . . .

It is that simple. . . The Lemba tribe of Zimbabwe had such claims and have done DNA tests to prove their semitic origins. You can read up http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8900243 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba OR pay a visit to Zimbabwe to ask how they did it if you don't believe the links.

I am Igbo and i am not a Jew!! what is wrong with my people? I am IGBO

romeo:

I am Igbo and i am not a Jew!! what is wrong with my people? I am IGBO

I know where Igbo, but there are groups around the word which are of semitic descent, I just want to know if there is any truth to this since there is credible evidence, can you understand?

There's a difference between Semitic and Jewish descent. For that reason, I always don't miss the opportunity to say that we are not Jews, or descended from Jews. If anything, we may have some links with/to the Hebrews, but not the current Jews. Also, even if DNA was tested, I doubt that it would prove much, because Igbo people in the past did not interrelate, or intermingle much, until colonialism. For that reason, even if there are signs of Semitic descent, it will most likely be localized to one, or a few small groups, and will probably not be very widespread.

Just my thoughts.

romeo:

I am Igbo and i am not a Jew!! what is wrong with my people? I am IGBO

lol

ezeagu:

I know where Igbo, but there are groups around the word which are of semitic descent, I just want to know if there is any truth to this since there is credible evidence, can you understand?

So Olaudah Equiano's thoughts and postulations count as credible evidence? This same man that married a white woman and refused to relocate to Sierra Leone?

ChinenyeN:

There's a difference between Semitic and Jewish descent. For that reason, I always don't miss the opportunity to say that we are not Jews, or descended from Jews. If anything, we may have some links with/to the Hebrews, but not the current Jews. Also, even if DNA was tested, I doubt that it would prove much, because Igbo people in the past did not interrelate, or intermingle much, until colonialism. For that reason, even if there are signs of Semitic descent, it will most likely be localized to one, or a few small groups, and will probably not be very widespread.

Just my thoughts.

Fathers always give Y-STR chromosones to their sons and mothers give mtDNA to their daughters. I wouldn't bore you with the details but you can find more online. This Jewish origin hypothesis will be proven by modern science to be true or false and not by write-ups from people with questionable motives. It may very well be true but we can not say so until the proponents of this myth like the OP grow some balls and do the damn test.

I dont really see why this issue is such a big deal.

Jews of today are a mixed bunch, just like the Jews of ancient times. They arent the original Hebrews of the bible (who were also mixed btw).

They've always been mixed ever since the relocation to Egypt. Likewise, they got more admixture during their stay in Babylon. By WWII, many were in Europe and most looked exactly like Europeans. Why? Because they were Europeans.



Olaudah Equiano obviously included that part of his narratives because he heard it from somewhere.

The reason the Jews always stood out in ancient times was because they rigidly stuck to the worship of one God, no matter where they were. At least outwardly. Back then that was unusual (and very stubborn) since 98% of other nations were idol worshippers.

anyway, to each his own.

tpiah:

I dont really see why this issue is such a big deal.

Jews of today are a mixed bunch, just like the Jews of ancient times. They arent the original Hebrews of the bible (who were also mixed btw).

They've always been mixed ever since the relocation to Egypt. Likewise, they got more admixture during their stay in Babylon. By WWII, many were in Europe and most looked exactly like Europeans. Why? Because they were Europeans.



Olaudah Equiano obviously included that part of his narratives because he heard it from somewhere.

The reason the Jews always stood out in ancient times was because they rigidly stuck to the worship of one God, no matter where they were. At least outwardly. Back then that was unusual (and very stubborn) since 98% of other nations were idol worshippers.

anyway, to each his own.

Thank you Tpiah.

ChinenyeN:

There's a difference between Semitic and Jewish descent. For that reason, I always don't miss the opportunity to say that we are not Jews, or descended from Jews. If anything, we may have some links with/to the Hebrews, but not the current Jews. Also, even if DNA was tested, I doubt that it would prove much, because Igbo people in the past did not interrelate, or intermingle much, until colonialism. For that reason, even if there are signs of Semitic descent, it will most likely be localized to one, or a few small groups, and will probably not be very widespread.

Just my thoughts.

Same thought, than you ChineyeN.

ow11:

Fathers always give Y-STR chromosones to their sons and mothers give mtDNA to their daughters. I wouldn't bore you with the details but you can find more online. This Jewish origin hypothesis will be proven by modern science to be true or false and not by write-ups from people with questionable motives. It may very well be true but we can not say so until the proponents of this myth like the OP grow some balls and do the damn test.

Maybe you should 'grow some balls' and stop posting in topics that "bore" you.

ow11:

So Olaudah Equiano's thoughts and postulations count as credible evidence? This same man that married a white woman and refused to relocate to Sierra Leone?

Yeah, he's also the one that rejected his slave name, kept his Igbo name, wrote a whole chapter on his home country and not to mention that he was an abolitionist which put his life at a great risk by setting himself against the whole establishment of Great Britain. Imagine all the money he could have received from slave traders if he condoned the trade.

What has Sierra Leone got to do with anything, is it his home? Many did not want to go to Sierra Leone, why? because they would have to start all over again, again, imagine all the abolition work Olaudah would have been out of touch with. I would advise you not to be irrational in trying to prove a point.

ezeagu:

Thank you Tpiah.


Yeah, he's also the one that rejected his slave name, kept his Igbo name, wrote a whole chapter on his home country and not to mention that he was an abolitionist which put his life at a great risk by setting himself against the whole establishment of Great Britain. Imagine all the money he could have received from slave traders if he condoned the trade.

What has Sierra Leone got to do with anything, is it his home? Many did not want to go to Sierra Leone, why? because they would have to start all over again, again, imagine all the abolition work Olaudah would have been out of touch with. I would advise you not to be irrational in trying to prove a point.

You're welcome.

His foreign name was Gustavus Vassa. He probably didnt revive his African name until he wrote that biography.

And while he was an abolitionist, he wasnt the only one, or even one of the prime movers. The abolitionists back then used many blacks and enslaved Africans to help get their message across to the white public. They also used black slave traders who had been captured, enslaved and were trying to return to their home villages in Nigeria.


seriously, I dont know why you keep worrying yourself about all these things. Why not just _privately believe what you want to believe - that way you wont get upset when people study the same things you're studying but still dont see it the same way as you.

tpiah:

You're welcome.

His foreign name was Gustavus Vassa. He probably didnt revive his African name until he wrote that biography.

And while he was an abolitionist, he wasnt the only one, or even one of the prime movers. The abolitionists back then used many blacks and enslaved Africans to help get their message across to the white public. They also used black slave traders who had been captured, enslaved and were trying to return to their home villages in Nigeria.


seriously, I dont know why you keep worrying yourself about all these things. Why not just _privately believe what you want to believe - that way you wont get upset when people study the same things you're studying but still dont see it the same way as you.

Well I guess people are going to believe what they wan to, until its proven it will not be taken seriously. Again, thanks to everyone that posted on this thread.