| was reading some objections that people raise against islam, I came across a record by an islamic historian called Ibn Ishaq where he narrated an incidence where satan speaking through the prophet asked the people of Quraysh to seek the intecessions of Allat, Manat and Uzza(pagan goddesses).


Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 165-166:
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Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third ,  these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird) whose intercession is approved.

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.( poves the existence of such incidence)



Later on the verses were edited/abrogated to now read what is in today's quran.

Have ye seen Lat and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? [These are the high-flying ones, whose intercession is to be hoped for!] What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! these are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! [Qur'ân 53:19-23]


Qur'an 22:52, Dawood
Never have We sent a single prophet or apostle before you with whose wishes Satan did not tamper. But God abrogates the interjections of Satan and confirms His own revelations.

Now Questions:
If satan could mislead Allah's prophet into thinking he was speaking the mind of Allah, Does there exist a  probability that Satan could have decieved him about the entire quran ?

If such propability exist (no matter how insignificant it is) What does it  portend for islam?

Let just assume that you are right, it is a fair question. What happens in the case of jesus, a god that the devil was able to run over in at least three instances? Should we trust anything that comes from his mouth, parables or not? In america, there is something called three strikes you are out. That is in the Baseball. Now it is the order of the day in the courts; three confictions, you are in for life!

In the case of Muhammad; if there is any abrogation, what is abrogated is still kept intact in the Quran. Read the Quran and see how wrong you are. There is no possibility for the devil to have control over Muhammad or any prophet (Isa Bin Mariam, AS included). Allah chos eHis elects and Personally protected them. Note that Muhammad's heart was filled with beliefs throughout his lifetime. Angels and indeed Jibril was always around him.

It is the same Muhammad that Allah sent for and was granted the most fantastic journey of all; Isra wa Miraj (in just a portion of a night). Was this incident of bowing down because of the devil before revelation or after? Was it before Isra wa Miraj or after? I am sure that Allah would not have allowed such an incident to occur with His Beloved (AS).

And just because a person has a middle eastern sounding name does not make him a muslim. And finally, ahadith are in gradations. We know fabricated ahadith and the weak one because for one, they always go against the nature of the Quran and indeed the essence of Islam! To have said that the beloved of Allah will bow down to satan, when He Allah is never asleep, never wary, never fatigued, etc, render your wicked suggestion laughable.

By the way Allah is not like your after six days of work I have to rest for a day god! A god who rests may have a prophet that may fall under the spell or control of the devil.

Sirah Muhammad (AS) is like the Gospel. Many people wrote them. There are some writers who write some lies in them. Thats what you have in the Ibn ishaq version of the Sirah (life History/story).

Crane or whatever bird is not what is common and known to the people of the deserts. Animals in the deserts are always small compared to their non desert kind. If you have ever seen a desert lion (and they do exist, Davidylan), they are noticeable smaller than what you will find in the Serrengeti! Therefore it is not possible that such an unknown birds will be introduced to a makkan. Afterall, in Surah the Elephant, a bird, so small was mentioned. Whoever went to Hajj will see those birds, and there is no high flying big bird (crane) in sight.

By the way al manat, al uzza and al lat are arab idols. Two were part of the 360 idols stationed in Kaaba by the pagans. I dont know how they could be all of a sudden be refered to as flying "birds" when they are easily seen as nothing but carved out or clayed out idols!

And below are verses from Surah Najm (The Star). I want you to tell me how idols in Kaaba and the visinity becomes a suddenly high flying birds?


53:2 Muhsin Khan: Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
53:3 Muhsin Khan: Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
53:4 Muhsin Khan: It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.
53:5 Muhsin Khan: He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].
53:6 Muhsin Khan: Dhu Mirrah (free from any defect in body and mind), Fastawa [then he (Jibrael - Gabriel) rose and became stable]. [Tafsir At-Tabari].
53:7 Muhsin Khan: While he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] was in the highest part of the horizon,
53:8 Muhsin Khan: Then he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] approached and came closer,
53:9 Muhsin Khan: And was at a distance of two bows' length or (even) nearer,
53:10 Muhsin Khan:.So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave [Muhammad SAW] through Jibrael (Gabriel )
53:11 Muhsin Khan: The (Prophet's) heart lied not (in seeing) what he (Muhammad SAW) saw.
53:12 Muhsin Khan: Will you then dispute with him (Muhammad SAW) about what he saw [during the Mi'raj: (Ascent of the Prophet SAW over the seven heavens)].
53:13 Muhsin Khan: And indeed he (Muhammad SAW) saw him [Jibrael (Gabriel)] at a second descent (i.e. another time).
53:14 Muhsin Khan: Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha [lote-tree of the utmost boundary (beyond which none can pass)],
53:15 Muhsin Khan: Near it is the Paradise of Abode.
53:16 Muhsin Khan: When that covered the lote-tree which did cover it!
53:17 Muhsin Khan: The sight (of Prophet Muhammad SAW) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond (the) limit (ordained for it).
53:18 Muhsin Khan: Indeed he (Muhammad SAW) did see, of the Greatest Signs, of his Lord (Allah).
53:19 Muhsin Khan: Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs).
53:20 Muhsin Khan: And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
53:21 Muhsin Khan: Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
53:22 Muhsin Khan: That indeed is a division most unfair!
53:23 Muhsin Khan: They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!
53:24 Muhsin Khan: Or shall man have what he wishes?
53:25 Muhsin Khan: But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).
53:26 Muhsin Khan: And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He wills and pleases.
53:27 Muhsin Khan: Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
53:28 Muhsin Khan: While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.

dexmond; you have only guessed and guessing is not the truth. Anyone who reads the above verses, will know that all you have to do is to visualise the verses. It is self explanatory. Muhammad (AS) is not insane or abnormal. He spoke only the truth as he was commanded. Allah spported him by Malaika Jibril. Jibril is a mighty Angel. The three idols are nothing but solid idols, not flying birds as you have suggested! They arab pagans named them femine names and called them out of ignorance daughters of Allah, the same way you christians call Jesus son of God! Women are deemed beautiful far more than men, snd this is the reason that the pagans called idols, intercessors beteween them and Allag the Creator females/daughters! Allah rebuked them for their conclusons.

olabowale:

Let just assume that you are right, it is a fair question. What happens in the case of jesus, a god that the devil was able to run over in at least three instances? Should we trust anything that comes from his mouth, parables or not? In america, there is something called three strikes you are out. That is in the Baseball. Now it is the order of the day in the courts; three confictions, you are in for life!

In the case of Muhammad; if there is any abrogation, what is abrogated is still kept intact in the Quran. Read the Quran and see how wrong you are. There is no possibility for the devil to have control over Muhammad or any prophet (Isa Bin Mariam, AS included). Allah chos eHis elects and Personally protected them. Note that Muhammad's heart was filled with beliefs throughout his lifetime. Angels and indeed Jibril was always around him.

It is the same Muhammad that Allah sent for and was granted the most fantastic journey of all; Isra wa Miraj (in just a portion of a night). Was this incident of bowing down because of the devil before revelation or after? Was it before Isra wa Miraj or after? I am sure that Allah would not have allowed such an incident to occur with His Beloved (AS).

And just because a person has a middle eastern sounding name does not make him a muslim. And finally, ahadith are in gradations. We know fabricated ahadith and the weak one because for one, they always go against the nature of the Quran and indeed the essence of Islam! To have said that the beloved of Allah will bow down to satan, when He Allah is never asleep, never wary, never fatigued, etc, render your wicked suggestion laughable.

By the way Allah is not like your after six days of work I have to rest for a day god! A god who rests may have a prophet that may fall under the spell or control of the devil.

how did the devil run over Jesus? when? where?

How do u know that angels were always beside mohammed?
2corth 2:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

@ Olabowale.

You Know very well that a lot of things about the prophet are not in the quran itself. His Personal life, military expeditions, his career as a prophet etc. It was not just Ibn ishaq that recorded this incidence, Al-tabari did likewise.

Ths is what Al-tabari recorded:

When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed: "By the Star when it sets, ", and when he came to the words: "Have you considered El-Lat and El-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other?", Satan cast onto his tongue, because of his inner debates, and what he desired to bring to his people, the words, "Those are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval", Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the Messenger of God was much greived and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him (Qur'an 22:52), for He was merciful to him, (The History of al-Tabari, translated by W. M. Watt and M. V. McDonald, vol. 6, page 108, 109)


If the record is not true how come Sahih Bukhari recorded the fact that both the pagan, the jinns, and the prophet bowed when the prophet ricited the suratul-an-Najm. Note that prior to this ayat, the Quraysh people did not accept him until he recorgnised their Goddesses which was a serious compromise.


Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Moreover the word crane is "al-Gharaniq al-ula"


Does there exist a probability that Satan could have interfere with the entire Quran ?

I have said on this forum not once but twice that Ibn Ishaq and Atabari are not authorities in the field of islamic jurispudence or aqeedah. A tabari of blessed memory works were mainly research work meant for scholars to validate . It contained many un verified stories and he himself acknowledged it and left the verification and authentication of those works to scholars. Same goes to ibn ishaq. It was this same works theat i think it was TUdor quoted and he eventually apologised for it.

The books of authenticated history like ibn kathir's "A bidaha wa nihayah" is a very good one it means "the begining and the end" . A tabaris books on histroy are meant for scholars and not people like you and me, just like a published science paper in scientific journals are not meant for the layman but people of strong scientifc knowledge.

The prophet never recieved any inspiration from satan and there is no quranic verse or authentic hadith that says contrary.

The hadith you quoted in bukhari is authentic but i dont understand how it butresses your claim. Surah najm has a verse in it that when we recite we have to prostrate and that was what happened the prophet AS did and those that were with him followed suit.

Later on the verses were edited/abrogated to now read what is in today's quran.

The quran has never been edited, abrogated verses in the quran have remained in the quran as compiled in the time of the prophet. What you have stated here is absolute malicous falsehood

Qur'an 22:52, Dawood
Never have We sent a single prophet or apostle before you with whose wishes Satan did not tamper. But God abrogates the interjections of Satan and confirms His own revelations.

Now Questions:
If satan could mislead Allah's prophet into thinking he was speaking the mind of Allah, Does there exist a  probability that Satan could have decieved him about the entire quran ?

If such propability exist (no matter how insignificant it is) What does it  portend for islam?

One thing you should note here is Allah was talking about the earlier prophets AS and not the prophet muhammed AS. You should also read the translation below for better understanding

" Q22 v 50 Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower[b][/b]," Pikhtal translation

What the verse simply means is that the devil always tampers with the message of God in misleading people. This exists in all the abrahamic faiths. Verses are always twisted to suit individualities but Allah says the main message of islam - the Quran he will protect till the day of judgement.

Islam's message is simple - Come to the submission to the will of your creator, associate not any partners with him and accept all the prophets including Muhammed, Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Davis Peace be on them all. Believe in the Angels, Believe in destiny, Beleieve in the books (message of the earlier prophets and not neccassaily the bible or torah we have today),Believe in the Last day and Believe in the day of reckoning.

If you accept all these then alihamdulilah your a muslim.

@poster :

Of course Yes. That is why the Quran is called satanic verses. Facts which they always deny