Nihilist:
Mafia music 3 especially with Sizla Kalonji.

Mehn Officer Ricky sabi book

tammyboy1:
Fav tracks, mc hammer, bill gates,sorry ft christ brown, she wanna f*ck ft august alsina, so sophisticated, etc so long mehn, ah love the full black dollar album

WPBandit:
I'ma big fan of Rick Ross confidence. Homeboy continuously got better. His new album is pretty decent.

http://www.theratingsgame.net/2015/12/rick-ross-black-market.html

Surprisingly, I think he even got better!

WPBandit:
Teflon Don is one of the top hip hop albums of all time to me. It's that good!

WPBandit:
Teflon Don is one of the top hip hop albums of all time to me. It's that good!

RSAMAN:


Edit: one of the top COMMERCIAL hip hop albums of all time.

JayKayMaybachz:
Why say commercial

RSAMAN:


Because his music is watered down and is meant to appeal to the masses than the true hardcore rap fan. All rap aritsts that you hear their music driven by a constant base line instead of lyricism are commercial. Almost all rap artists you see on tv and hear on radio are commercial.

RSAMAN:


Because his music is watered down and is meant to appeal to the masses than the true hardcore rap fan. All rap aritsts that you hear their music driven by a constant base line instead of lyricism are commercial. Almost all rap artists you see on tv and hear on radio are commercial.

Nihilist:


I think this is rubbish though...

For example, How is some one like Common or Jay Electronica's content that much different to K. and Jcole?

How is Immortal Techniques content and style that much different to Eminem?

Is Nas Commercial or Non-Commercial?

The so called non-commercial rappers are those who make content that nobody wants to listen to....not because they are making any so called music for purists.

Otherwise Vic-0 and Idris Abdulkareem can claim to be non-commercial rappers...

RSAMAN:


Man Honestly I don't know who Jay Electronica or K. Is. But really, Common is more lyrically skilled than Jcole is(I haven't heard much of his work but what I've heard is enough to make such conclusion). Common's work has more substance, take for example his album "BE". That album will still sound fresh in next 30 years or so. There is this song by Jcole;I'm sorry I don't know the name of the song(and I couldn't care) even though it was played to death on tv and perhaps the radio too(sorry I don't listen to radio)I don't know what the name of the song is; but the song was featured him seeming to making a prayer to God and kept looking up in the sky in video, I don't know if this can help identify the song but he keeps saying "yeah yeah yeah" in the song. Everytime that song was on tv my nephew(6 year old) would sing-along so loud and with joy to that song; I don't know when the song was released but it featured on tv a lot last year; yeah I didn't have anything against the song, the lyrics were conscious and yeah the message was good, but the song it didn't seem to hold any substance for me, just wasn't my kind of thing. After the song was played out on tv then the channel stopped playing the song for like 6months and when they got to play it again for the first time after so long and when I saw it was on tv I yelled out to my nephew "hey your song is on tv", even though I yelled with so much enthusiasm my nephew wasn't so keen about the song, he just didn't feel it anymore, it was played out on tv for him to like it anymore. Five years from now I suppose either nobody will ever remember that song anymore or nobody that who loved that song before will ever want to hear it again or care. But with Common as I've said before, just whip out his album "BE" after 30 years from now and you will remember how great rap was back then, It will still sound fresh. If you like Jcole I have nothing against you man. I'm just saying Common's music has more substance and his lyrical ability is way above jCole's.

Immortal Technique always made music the way he wanted it. Eminem is a legend, probably Immortal Technique will never release an album as great as Marshal Mathers or slim shady lp but have you listened to eminem lately? Isn't he working his ass off to appeal to masses? Isn't he making pop songs featuring rihanna? And Has the guts to name the album mmlp2 with rihanna on the album? Maybe the album is great itself, I haven't heard it, just the rihanna collabo was a turn off, perhaps someday I may listen to the album, but not until I can get it for 3dollars. Just what I've heard from it wasn't that great, the likes of Rap God, Legacy and the song with rihanna, its just not the eminem I know.

Nihilist:


The so called non-commercial rappers are those who make content that nobody wants to listen to....not because they are making any so called music for purists.

Nihilist:


To be honest, It's kinda difficult to get into this discussion if you don't know the artists I mentioned, or haven't listened to the back catalogs of the artistes i mentioned that you do know...

Let's just leave the convo here...

RSAMAN:


Man this statement is just ridiculous. Ok maybe fans want to listen to Jcole but who are those fans exactly? I've already mentioned my 6y.o nephew. Then we have you as well as jcole's fan and who's the rest, you will be surprised to find out if you didn't know
. Ok it gets me when you say nobody wants to listen to the likes of Pharoahe Monch. You don't know much, do your research, you have amazon, you have youtube, great way to start researching from those sites and you'll come to know the type of fan.

Man I don't have a problem if you make a thread about rick ross and I was not gonna respond but this is a free forum and I can read through the thread if I want to and I will come across such statements as "Teflon Don" is one of greatest rap albums of all time. If commercial rap I would agree but rap as a whole there is a lot of great albums and teflon don will never feature even in the top 200. Sorry but it wouldn't. But if like rick ross man then its choice. But anyway man have you have you heard Raekwon's Only built 4cuban linx pt 2. If not you ought to, I can recommend an album "Only built 4 cuban linx pt ii"released in 2009 by Raekwon; it tells the stories of pushing coke and the likes. The album is a banger and every song can stand on it's own as a single for that album. Tell me how teflon don fairs against it?

Nihilist:


Dude, like I said let's live it.

Music is a matter of subjective tastes anyway.

I can't go into this discussion with you because you're really not grounded in hiphop, and won't be able to discuss the reference points because as you admit, you either don't know or haven't listened to these guys anyway.

If you don't know who K dot is, what discussion are we even having?

Let's just leave it there. Good night.

P.s Monch had a hugely commercial hit with 'Simon Says' and featured on Linkin Park's multi-platinum selling album....kinda blurs the line between commercial and non-commercial don't you think?

Well goodnight

RSAMAN:
I've googled the name k dot. And by k. You mean kendrick lamar? Dude you're not serious, this is your new low. I'm just not into the guy and couldn't care what name he went by. Not that he's bad. I'm just not into him. Doesn't matter what name he once went by. I used to hear about this guy in the old days, people saying "kendrick lamar, kendrick lamar" and decided to check him out but wasn't exactly as impressed. Wouldn't leave "blackalicious" for k. I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

Nihilist:


Why are you being so aggressive?

Are you salty because I refused to debate this matter with you?

You raised an interesting question with your initial post, but then interesting questions don't always need to be answered.

How can we have a wider discussion on this issue if we can't examine the bodies of work of several contemporary artistes, artistes who unfortunately, you are not familiar with?

You haven't listened to J.Cole but you've already decided Common is better.

You haven't really listened to Eminem but decided he makes 'commercial' music, without even defining what commercial music means...

You're 'not into' Kendrick Lamar...

In the end, the only thing we would discussing is your opinion, which is formed from a clearly limited knowledge of hip hop, and hip hop artistes.

You're entitled to your opinion of course...but that doesn't mean I have to respect it, or discuss it.

Last response.

RSAMAN:


I haven't listened to eminem? says who? Dude I have listened to every eminem album except mmlp2. And I don't intend to listen to it any time soon. Dude I've heard enough jcole to know he doesn't hold a candle to common. I'm not obliged to torture myself with his albums when I know I'm not gonna like them or I might as well listen to fetty wap and lil wayne. Yeah I'm not into kendrick lamar, like I said I wouldn't give up blackalicious' blazing arrow for kendrick's section.80. As for saying I have a Limited knowledge of hip hop artists. Check yourself.

Nihilist:


Again, it's your opinion that Common is better than J.Cole. No Problem.

But we simply cannot have that conversation about commercial rap vs non-commercial because you're simply too poorly educated in hiphop matters to understand what I'm even talking about.

Notice that my first response to you was focused on comparing and contrasting the content of some of the so-called commercial rappers vs non-commercial rappers. Being ignorant of these rappers and their work, you tried to change the discussion to one about preference...a discussion I am simply not interested in...

I mentioned JCole because he dropped 'Forest Hill Drive' 2 years ago...It had no radio singles and not a single featured artist on any of it's tracks.It had very little marketing and only dropped 3 weeks after it was announced....Yet it went Platinum. The first hiphop album without features to go platinum in 25 years in fact.

I mentioned Kendrick Lamar particularly for his latest Album 'To Pimpp A Butterfly'...another album with virtually no radio friendly songs, experimental tones, etc....yet it went Platinum

If you were familiar with any of these guys, We would be able to confidently hold a discussion on how these Albums with seemingly 'non-commercial' content performed very strongly in commercial terms...and how the difference between commercial vs non-commercial rap is very blurred

But you cant discuss things you don't actually know...which explains why in a discussion about the commerce of rap, you are instead discussing who is the better rapper...

WPBandit:
No One is wrong when you think about what makes a song commercial or not. It's all subjective. A song can be "noncommercial", but still reach the masses. When I mentioned one of the "Top Rap Albums of all time", I meant in terms of every aspect including "the production, it's innovation, it's appeal, its subject matter, it's energy, it's everything. It's the whole body of work! You gotta look at every aspect of an album, not just one if you want to be considered the one of the top. Rick Ross is one of the few artists that actually accommodates all those descriptions on Teflon Don.