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Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by SamJed(m): 7:03am On Feb 07, 2016
We as Christians know that Jesus Christ came and gave us a new covenant but he also said in Matthew 5 vs 17 to 18... 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. My question here is why is there a controversy on whether it should be abolished or obeyed even after reading the above passage. Why do people decide not to pay tithe and at the same time hang on to the passage that says no weapon formed against me shall prosper when both are in the old books Pastors in the house, I need clarification here..

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Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 7:17am On Feb 07, 2016
SamJed:
We as Christians know that Jesus Christ came and gave us a new covenant but he also said in Matthew 5 vs 17 to 18... 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. My question here is why is there a controversy on whether it should be abolished or obeyed even after reading the above passage. Why do people decide not to pay tithe and at the same time hang on to the passage that says no weapon formed against me shall prosper when both are in the old books Pastors in the house, I need clarification here..

It's Abolished in christendom,Judaism,Buddha, Taoism doesn't even know those laws. Muslims are the only followers of harsh moses laws.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 7:58am On Feb 07, 2016
gimakon:


It's Abolished in christendom,Judaism,Buddha, Taoism doesn't even know those laws. Muslims are the only followers of harsh moses laws.
extreme situation needs extreme measure. the law of moses was also given by God. the christians have started behaving the same way that made God to give moses the law, we humans deserve the mosaic law
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 8:08am On Feb 07, 2016
Elosky20:

extreme situation needs extreme measure. the law of moses was also given by God. the christians have started behaving the same way that made God to give moses the law, we humans deserve the mosaic law

To some extent true tho.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:10am On Feb 07, 2016
Islam Means 'Peace'


The Myth:

Muslim apologists sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is "peace" in Arabic.


The Truth:

An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also orders them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its military and demographic success in conquering other cultures.

I think we should investigate islam further guys
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:13am On Feb 07, 2016
Crosses in every room at Washingon D.C.’s Catholic University of America are a human rights violation that prevent Muslim students from praying.
That’s the complaint to the Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights filed by a professor from rival George Washington University across town.
GWU Law School Professor John Banzhaf takes the Catholic institution to task for acting “probably with malice” against Muslim students in a 60-page complaint that cites “offensive” Catholic imagery all over the Catholic school, which he says hinder Muslims from praying.
Baffled Catholic University officials say they have never received a complaint from any of the schools Muslim students.
Banzhaf, who already has a pending lawsuit against the university over ending its policy of allowing mixed-gender dormitories and has a history of filing civil rights suits on such topics as childhood obesity and smoking, filed the complaint alleging that Muslim students are not given their own prayer rooms.
He alleges that the university, “does not provide space – as other universities do – for the many daily prayers Muslim students must make, forcing them instead to find temporarily empty classrooms where they are often surrounded by Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion,” according to the Tower, Catholic University’s student newspaper.
The complaint further objects that Muslims must pray at the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”
A spokesperson for the human rights office said they are investigating Banzhaf’s complaint — and the inquiry could take as long as six months.
“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” observed Patrick Reilly of the Cardinal Newman Socity. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”
The complaint is absurd, writes Thomas Peters on the website CatholicVote.
“Can you imagine a law professor helping Catholic students to sue a Jewish or Muslim school to demand that the schools install crosses, remove their religious symbols, and allow the Catholics to construct a chapel on their property?” wrote Peters. “Can you imagine the argument being that Jewish and Muslims schools using their religious symbols and following their faith traditions would be described in the legal brief as “offensive”?!
“Normally I would have confidence that this lawsuit will be deemed without merit, but the way things are going these days, I just can’t be sure anymore. Simply incredible.

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/10/lawsuit-says-crosses-at-catholic-university-offensive-prevent-muslim-prayers.php#kw8rdv7ilVzx05Bw.99
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 8:15am On Feb 07, 2016
As far as I know, if you follow all laws in bible verbatim, you would end up in Jail. Both the law of Moses and that of God.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:16am On Feb 07, 2016
Islam is Tolerant
of Other Religions


The Myth:

Religious minorities have flourished under Islam. Muslims are commanded to protect Jews and Christians (the People of the Book) and do no harm to them. In Sura 109, the Quran says, "To you, your religion. To me, mine."


The Truth:

Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they always dwindle to mere shadows after a few centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.

What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission. (See this link for rules imposed by the Islamic State)

Historically, dhimmis have often had to wear distinguishing clothing or cut their hair in a particular manner that indicates their position of inferiority and humiliation. They do not share the same legal rights as Muslims, and must even pay a poll tax (the jizya). They are to be killed or have their children taken from them if they cannot satisfy the tax collector’s requirements.

For hundreds of years, the Christian population in occupied Europe had their sons taken away and forcibly converted into Muslim warriors (known as Jannisaries) by the Ottoman Turks.

It is under this burden of discrimination and third-class status that so many religious minorities converted to Islam over the centuries. Those who didn’t faced economic and social hardships that persist to this day and are appalling by Western standards of true religious tolerance and pluralism.

For those who are not “the People of the Book,” such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Quran tells Muslims to “fight in the way of Allah” until “religion is only for Allah.” The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam).

Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered tens of millions of Hindus and Buddhists, and displaced or forcibly converted millions more over the last thousand years. Islamists in Somalia behead Christians. In Iran, they are jailed.

One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslims themselves would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no shame in the ingrained arrogance and double standard.
There are about 500 verses in the Quran that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that could be construed to say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.
As for Sura 109, any true Quran scholar will point out that the purpose of the verse was to distinguish Islam from the gods of the Quraysh (one of which was named "Allah"wink rather than to advocate religious tolerance for non-Muslims.

At the time that he narrated this very early verse, Muhammad did not have any power, and thus no choice but to be "tolerant" of others. By contrast, there was no true tolerance shown when he returned to Mecca with power many years later and demanded the eviction or death of anyone who would not convert to Islam. In fact, he physically destroyed the cherished idols of the very people he addressed in Sura 109.
If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's practice of Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 8:18am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:
Islam Means 'Peace'


The Myth:

Muslim apologists sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is "peace" in Arabic.


The Truth:

An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also orders them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its military and demographic success in conquering other cultures.

I think we should investigate islam further guys

Islam doesn't mean peace.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:19am On Feb 07, 2016
gimakon:


Islam doesn't mean peace.
Jihad Means
'Inner Struggle'


The Myth:

Jihad simply means 'struggle' and really just refers to a peaceful striving against sin rather than a holy war to spread Islam.

The Truth:

In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agree was fabricated.

By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Sahih Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad. Each carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war).
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 8:20am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:
Islam Means 'Peace'


The Myth:

Muslim apologists sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is "peace" in Arabic.


The Truth:

An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also orders them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its military and demographic success in conquering other cultures.

I think we should investigate islam further guys
have u ever looked into what happened when the popes where ruling the world. people were killed because they did nt believe in God. cities were burnt down, men and children were killed because they refuse to join christianity, SOCRATES was jailed and killed because he questioned christianity, i believe islam and christianity are the same, bt the moslem accord more respect to their religion than christians
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 8:22am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:

Jihad Means
'Inner Struggle'


The Myth:

Jihad simply means 'struggle' and really just refers to a peaceful striving against sin rather than a holy war to spread Islam.

The Truth:

In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agree was fabricated.

By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Sahih Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad. Each carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war).

You muslim?
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:23am On Feb 07, 2016
no.... Christianity does not harbour such....popes were not following the teachings or the acts of Christ!

Elosky20:

have u ever looked into what happened when the popes where ruling the world. people were killed because they did nt believe in God. cities were burnt down, men and children were killed because they refuse to join christianity, SOCRATES was jailed and killed because he questioned christianity, i believe islam and christianity are the same, bt the moslem accord more respect to their religion than christians
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:25am On Feb 07, 2016
am expecting moslems to counter this posts of mine..... cos I just have too much dossier on them...
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:29am On Feb 07, 2016
Islam Facilitated
the Golden Age of
Scientific Discovery


The Myth:

Muslims often claim that Islam fostered a rich heritage of scientific discovery, “paving the way” for modern advances in technology and medicine.

On this subject, they usually cite the period between the 7th and 13th centuries, when Europe was experiencing its “Dark Ages” and the Muslim world was acquiring new populations and culture through violent conquest.

The Truth:

Although there is no arguing that the Muslim world was relatively more advanced during this Middle Age period than the “Christian” world, the reasons for this have absolutely nothing to do with the Islamic religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion tends to discourages knowledge outside of itself (Quran 5:101-102), which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

[Note that the country of Spain alone translates more learning material and literature into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the 9th century. As the Saudi Grand Mufti bluntly put it in 2010, "The Quran with its stories and knowledge are sufficient for us... we don't need the Torah, or Gospels, or any other book"].

The many fundamentalists and other devotees who dress as Muhammad did and adopt 7th century lifestyles to some degree underscore the importance of tradition in Islam. The religion is highly conservative and resistant to change, which is viewed with suspicion. As scholar Bernard Lewis points out, in Islam an innovation is presumed to be bad unless it can be proven to be good.

Beyond this, there are four basic reasons why Islam has little true claim to scientific achievement:

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by dhimmi Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (One large reason for this, however, was that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

Secondly, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim science” until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). As Mark Steyn puts it, "When admirers talk up Islam and the great innovations and rich culture of its heyday, they forget that even at its height Muslims were never more than a minority in the Muslim world, and they were in large part living off the energy of others."
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 8:29am On Feb 07, 2016
Elosky20:

have u ever looked into what happened when the popes where ruling the world. people were killed because they did nt believe in God. cities were burnt down, men and children were killed because they refuse to join christianity, SOCRATES was jailed and killed because he questioned christianity, i believe islam and christianity are the same, bt the moslem accord more respect to their religion than christians

Witchcraft was what most of these popes fought against. Ancient time had several priests of sorcery hence these popes took it upon themselves to slaughter and kill those who never followed the right path of Christianity. Even islam as a whole forbids magic, but I would one day ask you, who is the Jinn? This your point about christians not respecting christendom is wrong. I for one value my religion.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:32am On Feb 07, 2016
The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:35am On Feb 07, 2016
To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 8:37am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:
no.... Christianity does not harbour such....popes were not following the teachings or the acts of Christ!

haha, bt do u knw that the popes are the pillars of christianity, if they can go out of their way to commit crimes against humanity, wat will the average do. i believe that the moslems are been misled by their religious leaders also, because the current case of islam terrorism around the world have been rejected by top islamic scholars as a misinterpretation of the quran. am a christian bt dont see anything wrong in islam.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 8:44am On Feb 07, 2016
gimakon:


Witchcraft was what most of these popes fought against. Ancient time had several priests of sorcery hence these popes took it upon themselves to slaughter and kill those who never followed the right path of Christianity. Even islam as a whole forbids magic, but I would one day ask you, who is the Jinn? This your point about christians not respecting christendom is wrong. I for one value my religion.
my brother did God nt tell joshua to tell the people of israelites to choose who they will serve. did he tell joshua to force them. did jesus kill the false prophets and also the unbelievers. my point still remains that the misinterpretation of the bible and quran are the cause of religious violence around the world.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 8:48am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:
The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.
what of saudi arabia
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 8:50am On Feb 07, 2016
what have they achieved scientifically

Elosky20:

what of saudi arabia

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Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 8:57am On Feb 07, 2016
takuradua:
what have they achieved scientifically

is this a religious war or what. whether they have achieved scientifically or nt is none of problem. u only asked of development.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:00am On Feb 07, 2016
The Life of Muhammad:
An Inconvenient Truth


Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)

570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:02am On Feb 07, 2016
Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove truths based on Islamic texts. The reward has gone unclaimed. Is it true?
"Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman, a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter."
Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone who could prove truth otherwise based on Islamic texts. The reward has gone unclaimed.



https://www.quora.com/Former-Muslim-Ali-Sina-offered-50-000-to-anyone-who-could-prove-truths-based-on-Islamic-texts-The-reward-has-gone-unclaimed-Is-it-true
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:07am On Feb 07, 2016
Sina's Challenge



I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist a misogynist a rapist
a pedophile a lecher a torturer
a mass murderer a cult leader an assassin
a terrorist a mad man a looter
I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:

a- Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)

b- Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.

These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.

Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site. Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.

Edit 2007/07/29

The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?

The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.

As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.

As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com

Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution. What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.

Sincerely

Ali Sina
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 9:07am On Feb 07, 2016
Elosky20:

my brother did God nt tell joshua to tell the people of israelites to choose who they will serve. did he tell joshua to force them. did jesus kill the false prophets and also the unbelievers. my point still remains that the misinterpretation of the bible and quran are the cause of religious violence around the world.

You have spoken well. This is why we have the new testament, thats why I say you muslims should seek guidance from God, and rewrite the quran
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:09am On Feb 07, 2016
There are ONLY two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose the latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:17am On Feb 07, 2016
Early Life at Mecca

Muhammad was born around 570 AD to a widowed mother who died just six years later. He grew up poor and orphaned on the margins of society, which was controlled by tribal chiefs and trading merchants. He worked for his uncle, Abu Talib, as a camel herder. Although his uncle had some standing in the community, Muhammad himself did not rise above his lowly station until he was 25, when he met and married a wealthy widow, Khadija, who was 15 years older.

His wife's trading business not only nurtured Muhammad's natural talents of persuasion, but it also gave the successful salesman an opportunity to travel and acquire knowledge that was not as accessible to the local population. He would later use this to his advantage by incorporating the stories that he had come across into his "revelations" from Allah, particularly the tales from the earlier religions, Judaism and Christianity.

Having attained a comfortable lifestyle and the idle time that wealth affords, Muhammad would wander off occasionally for periods of meditation and contemplation. It is quite likely that he was experiencing the symptoms of a midlife crisis, including a desire for personal accomplishment and meaning.

One day, at the age of 40, he told his wife that he had been visited by the angel Gabriel in a dream. Thus began a series of "revelations" which lasted almost until his death 23 years later. The Qur’an is a collection of words that Muhammad attributed to Allah. The Hadith is a collection of narrations of the life and deeds of Muhammad. The Sira is his recorded biography. The Sunnah is said to be Muhammad's way of life, on which Islamic law (Sharia) is based.

With his wife’s influence and support, Muhammad proclaimed himself a prophet in the same "lineage" as Abraham and Jesus, and began trying to convert those around him to his new religion. He narrated the Quran to those who believed him, telling them that it was the word of Allah (heard only by himself, of course).

Muhammad's Quran does not contain a single original moral value. It contributes only one new idea to world religion: Muhammad is Allah's prophet. In fact, Muhammad's "Allah" seemed oddly preoccupied with making sure Muslims knew to obey Muhammad's every earthly wish, as this mandate is repeated at least twenty times in the narration of the Quran.

In the beginning, Muhammad did his best to compromise his teachings with the predominant beliefs of the community’s elders, such as combining all 300 of their idols under the name “Allah.” His amalgamation of Judeo-Christian theology and pagan tradition grew more sophisticated over time. T[b]he "revelations from Allah" affirmed his own position repetitively. Even if he did not remember the Biblical stories correctly, for example, each was conspicuously modified to incorporate a common theme: "Believe in the Messenger (Muhammad) or suffer the consequences."[/b]
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Elosky20: 9:22am On Feb 07, 2016
gimakon:


You have spoken well. This is why we have the new testament, thats why I say you muslims should seek guidance from God, and rewrite the quran
am a christian. bt do u knw that u cant erase ur past. it follows you, we christian still practice the old testament and we continue to read it in our various churches. it took almost 2000 years b4 the christians started observing the new testament, so i believe with time their quran will be revised and corrected,
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by Nobody: 9:23am On Feb 07, 2016
Elosky20:

am a christian. bt do u knw that u cant erase ur past. it follows you, we christian still practice the old testament and we continue to read it in our various churches. it took almost 2000 years b4 the christians started observing the new testament, so i believe with time their quran will be revised and corrected,

I pray so.
Re: Should The Law Of Moses Be Obeyed Or Abolished??? by takuradua: 9:25am On Feb 07, 2016
revisions have been attempted in the hadith, Sira, etc......which is even worse

Elosky20:

am a christian. bt do u knw that u cant erase ur past. it follows you, we christian still practice the old testament and we continue to read it in our various churches. it took almost 2000 years b4 the christians started observing the new testament, so i believe with time their quran will be revised and corrected,

One day, at the age of 40, he told his wife that he had been visited by the angel Gabriel in a dream. Thus began a series of "revelations" which lasted almost until his death 23 years later. The Qur’an is a collection of words that Muhammad attributed to Allah. The Hadith is a collection of narrations of the life and deeds of Muhammad. The Sira is his recorded biography. The Sunnah is said to be Muhammad's way of life, on which Islamic law (Sharia) is based.

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