goodnews201668:
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Those are parable not real event.
According to John 3:13 Jesus says no man has ascended to heaven except him that came down from heaven.
So neither Lazarus nor Abraham was in heaven when Jesus narrated the story.
If jesus story were to be taken literal it means someone in hellfire can see someone in heaven. It also means someone in hellfire can as well talk to someone in heaven.

I no wan go that kind Heaven o

DoctorAlien:


Will eternity for righteous people be such that the wicked (supposedly also alive forever) will be within earshot disturbing their communion with GOD with their constant cries and be them begging for water?

The rich man begged to have somebody be sent to warn his brothers on earth. Who will the wicked beg to be sent and to whom are they going to be sent?

Ask him ooo, who will the wicked be begged to sent to and to who are they going to be sent to?

DoctorAlien:


I no wan go that kind Heaven o

My brother the thing tire me ooo

DoctorAlien:


I no wan go that kind Heaven o

He shy away from answering these two questions ooo:

1: According to Ezekiel 28:13-18, Satan will be burnt to ashes. How is it you claim he will be alive burning forever? Or can ashes be alive?

2: Jesus said it's easier for a Camel to pass through the needle's eye than for a rich man to make the kingdom.
If parables are to be taken literally,
Does it mean a Camel can possibly pass through the needle's eyes?

Was Jesus saying that a Camel must pass through the eyes of a needle for a wealthy man to make the kingdom?

goodnews201668:


He shy away from answering these two questions ooo:

1: According to Ezekiel 28:13-18, Satan will be burnt to ashes. How is it you claim he will be alive burning forever? Or can ashes be alive?

2: Jesus said it's easier for a Camel to pass through the needle's eye than for a rich man to make the kingdom.
If parables are to be taken literally,
Does it mean a Camel can possibly pass through the needle's eyes?

Was Jesus saying that a Camel must pass through the eyes of a needle for a wealthy man to make the kingdom?

I guess he couldn't find any scriptural back-up for the lies he has chosen to believe.

Scholar8200:
Cross check this with Psalm 9:17, will the righteous and wicked head to the same place going by the tenor of Palm 9:17?

"
All go to the same place.All came from the dust and all return to the dust. " Ecc 3:20.

Even Job ehn , knows he will go to the pit or sheol. Job 17:16 , is he a wicked person ?




like psalm 9:17, Job even prayed to go to " hell " Douay rheims bible (sheol) - job 14:13 .

Scholar8200:
Cross check this with Psalm 9:17, will the righteous and wicked head to the same place going by the tenor of Palm 9:17?

Of what purpose is the resurrection if at death we never truly die but just shed our mortal bodies?

goodnews201668:

Did you read the thread at all?
Why don't you go through the thread first.

I am not you even understand what you said here. If am wrong in any way point it out.

DoctorAlien:


Do you know that the same thing that happens to animals is what happens to man?

"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath; ... All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again" Eccl. 3:19,20.

If the same thing that happens to man happens to animals, are the souls of animals immortal too?

does this verse say the soul of animals are immortal ?

MizJanet:




really ? @ bold

hindu, Buddhist, muslims, taoist and others who dont belive in Jesus have mortal souls abi ?

dont they have the same biological make up with you ?

do they have eternal life as promise by jesus to those who believe in Him ?

malvisguy212:
does this verse say the soul of animals are immortal ?

neither did the verse say the soul of man is immortal .

Jozzy4:


okay , u mean there are two options , its either eternal life ( living forever) or destruction - john 3:16

but can you tell me the difference between eternal life and immortality ?

You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

Jozzy4:


neither did the verse say the soul of man is immortal .

saying man soul is not immortal, you are given credit to satan.

malvisguy212:
saying man soul is not immortal, you are given credit to satan.

lol, explain how ? am sure u will see u are his supporter when we start

malvisguy212:
You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

if immortality is something humans are born with , then they automatically have eternal life .

therefore u just showed Jesus death is useless . u cant give a never ending life to an immortal person, he already HAVE IT.

you cant expect God to be given eternal life, he doesn't need it because he is IMMORTAL already .

malvis , u keep commiting blunders

DoctorAlien:


Can you give one instance in the Bible?

The bolded part above: only GOD has that attribute.(1 Tim. 6:15,16). What are you saying?

"Shall mortal man be more just than GOD? Shall a man be more pure than his Maker?" Job 4:17. Is there anything in this text which implies that man has another component which is immortal?

While Elijah was at the house of a widow in the city of Zarephath, the woman’s son died.
But Elijah “cried unto Jehovah, and said..., Jehovah my God, I pray thee, let this child’s SOUL COME INTO HIM AGAIN ” (1 Kings 17:21). Hezekiah celebrated the fact that the soul survives the death of the body: “But thou hast in love to my soul (nephesh) delivered it from the pit of corruption” (Isaiah 38:17)

malvisguy212:
While Elijah was at the house of a widow in the city of Zarephath, the woman’s son died.
But Elijah “cried unto Jehovah, and said..., Jehovah my God, I pray thee, let this child’s SOUL COME INTO HIM AGAIN ” (1 Kings 17:21). Hezekiah celebrated the fact that the soul survives the death of the body: “But thou hast in love to my soul (nephesh) delivered it from the pit of corruption” (Isaiah 38:17)

According to 1 Tim. 6:16, only GOD has immortality. What are you saying?

malvisguy212:
do they have eternal life as promise by jesus to those who believe in Him ?

Jesus promised eternal life to those who believe in Him.

But did Jesus say that anything about man is immortal?

Jozzy4:


if immortality is something humans are born with , then they automatically have eternal life .

therefore u just showed Jesus death is useless . u cant give a never ending life to an immortal person, he already HAVE IT.

then of what purpose is the death of jesus christ ? Do jehoveh witness have john 3:16 in their bible ? Dint the bible say whoever believe in him shall have eternal life ?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, BUT have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

The word BUT imply eternal life is not what you are born with, is some you have after believing in jesus christ.

malvisguy212:
You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

Really? When the Bible makes it clear in 1 Tim. 6:16 that GOD is the only one that has immortality?

malvisguy212:
While Elijah was at the house of a widow in the city of Zarephath, the woman’s son died.
But Elijah “cried unto Jehovah, and said..., Jehovah my God, I pray thee, let this child’s SOUL COME INTO HIM AGAIN ” (1 Kings 17:21)

soul accordind to the bible, means life or a living being

its the life or conscious existence of the child that come into him .

for u to get it : the scripture said the soul of every flesh is in the blood , it doesn't mean an entity in the blood , it means the life or conscious existence of every flesh is in the blood


dont read platonic pagan greek philosophy into the Bible.

. Hezekiah celebrated the fact that the soul survives the death of the body: “But thou hast in love to my soul (nephesh) delivered it from the pit of corruption” (Isaiah 38:17)

Hezekiah meant God delivered him from death and grave the pit of corruption.

God also use the expression my Soul , does it mean another God entity exists within him. it means myself .

malvisguy212:
You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

Please show us the place in Revelation that talks about "something underneath the human body that survives death".

DoctorAlien:


Jesus promised eternal life to those who believe in Him.

But did Jesus say that anything about man is immortal?

did he say man soul is not immortal ? But the bible imply that.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into eternal
punishment, but the righteous into eternal
life.”

malvisguy212:
then of what purpose is the death of jesus christ ? Do jehoveh witness have john 3:16 in their bible ? Dint the bible say whoever believe in him shall have eternal life ?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, BUT have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

The word BUT imply eternal life is not what you are born with, is some you have after believing in jesus christ.

nd what brings JW to this discussiion

besides Jw dont make Jesus death useless by claiming they are immortal. they never claim immortality.


u said man is born immortal , u are the one I should ask if john 3:16 is in your bible because it very clear an IMMORTAL person dont need eternal life . He already have it.

Jozzy4:


soul accordind to the bible, means life or a living being

its the life or conscious existence of the child that come into him .

for u to get it : the scripture said the soul of every flesh is in the blood , it doesn't mean an entity in the blood , it means the life or conscious existence of every flesh is in the blood


dont read platonic pagan greek philosophy into the Bible.



Hezekiah meant God delivered him from death and grave the pit of corruption.

God also use the expression my Soul , does it mean another God entity exists within him. it means myself .

DoctorAlien:

Please show us the place in Revelation that talks about "something underneath the human body that survives death".

Jozzy4:


soul accordind to the bible, means life or a living being

its the life or conscious existence of the child that come into him .

for u to get it : the scripture said the soul of every flesh is in the blood , it doesn't mean an entity in the blood , it means the life or conscious existence of every flesh is in the blood


dont read platonic pagan greek philosophy into the Bible.



Hezekiah meant God delivered him from death and grave the pit of corruption.

God also use the expression my Soul , does it mean another God entity exists within him. it means myself .

No need for this argument. The truth is in the bible.

malvisguy212:
did he say man soul is not immortal ? But the bible imply that.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

See Malachi 4:1,3. The wicked will be burnt to ashes. Will their ashes be alive suffering forever?

malvisguy212:
did he say man soul is not immortal ? But the bible imply that.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into eternal
punishment, but the righteous into eternal
life.”

u use imply because u actually know that verse never said soul is immortal .

meanwhile what confuse u is the word eternal purnishment, u reason this means a never ending purnishment. taken at face value . but is eternal destruction not an eternal punishment ? 2 the 1:9


hypocrite! why not take this will go to eternal life at face value too instead of giving bogus explanation , eternal life = never ending life . if the eternal purnishment is hellfire , then that means those in hellfire also have eternal life since they must have a never ending life


hahahahaha

malvisguy212:
No need for this argument. The truth is in the bible
.

that truth which u cant see .

malvisguy212:
No need for this argument. The truth is in the bible.

The truth has always been in the Bible, but you decided to believe a lie.

Now, answer this question sincerely with your head: If man (or supposedly a part of man) is immortal (which means, he cannot die), is there any need for Jesus to give us another eternal life?

Jozzy4:


nd what brings JW to this discussiion

besides Jw dont make Jesus death useless by claiming they are immortal. they never claim immortality.


u said man is born immortal , u are the one I should ask if john 3:16 is in your bible because it very clear an IMMORTAL person dont need eternal life . He already have it.

I just made myself clear here.

malvisguy212:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, BUT have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
The word BUT imply eternal life is not what you are born with, is some you have after believing in jesus christ.

malvisguy212:
I just made myself clear here.

If somebody is immortal, does he not have eternal life?