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Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by bigi4u(m): 3:00pm On Feb 18, 2016
Pls my dear engeneers in the house, i salute you all.

I have read some of your advices on building on waterlogged areas and i appreciate your comments, but mine is a little different and i'll need your candid advises.

Please i bought a plot of land of 60 * 120 in iyana iba area, Lagos. its a waterlogged land (for sake of cost). with a layman experience i used a long narrow stick to see if i can determine how deep to the (Bedrock) solid ground beneath, it took between about 3ft (close to shore dept) to 6ft (centre dept) to pass the softtop(debris, decaying grasses, no mud, the soil is sandy, looks like sharpsand) to get to strong ground. i've filled it to some extent with filling sand, meanwhile some building are being erected in there but some didn't get their foundation well done, which is part of what i'm trying to avoid.
Now, i'm ready to build, (atleast the FOUNDATION for now), pls like how much will it cost to lay a good durable but cost effective foundation of 2 storey building of single 4 bedroom flat, (1 flat at ground flour, 1 flat at 1st flour) (BQ sort of.) and which type of foundation will be best option, considering its various depts and the costs (cos I don't have much, just trying to escape from high lagos rents and planning for retirement.). What will it require?

Also can the foundations be done in bits, (ie, casting now and german floor much later if raft or also in piles) or must everything be done at once? Please your help is highly needed for me to know what next to do.
Many thanks from bigi.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by geez18(m): 3:35pm On Feb 18, 2016
you had better secure the services of a registered and competent engineer.the incessant colapse of structures,in recent times,in this country is quite embarrassing yet avoidable.if you are around my location i could help you out.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Guyman02: 2:37pm On Feb 19, 2016
Foundation (or, more commonly, foundations) is the element of an architectural structure which connects it to the ground, and transfers loads from the structure to the ground. Foundations are generally considered either shallow or deep. (Wiki)

Pile foundation is quite costly and applied especially where you expect some level of vibration like in a factory or a plant.

You will need to some Excavation in a water logged area like you mentioned which should be at a depth of between three to five feet deep in the ground. This is done because when you set up a house without first considering what effect water will have on it, chances are that you might end up incurring double stretching expenses. After excavating about five feet deep, its always advisable to first lay a layer of hard core stones that are relatively bigger in size and not soil as most people do, reason being water from underground easily penetrates through soil. If available, the use of a hand or mechanical operated compressor is advisable to compact and compress the stones together.

After laying hard core stones, they should be followed by relatively smaller stones (gravel) and then a heavy heap of soil that should also be compressed to fill the gaps left unfilled by stones. This is done to ensure that there are no spaces left to prevent easy penetration and spillage of water.

It is then advisable to leave the newly laid foundation for some time of about three to six months for an area that is seasonally water logged and six to 12 months for an area that is averagely water logged before the final work plan of building is set up. This is because the compressed stones and the disintegrated soil must be given room to fully attach itself together to attain a firm and strong foundation.

The area where the new foundation has been set up should be cordoned off in a fence and proper drainage channels put up around it to prevent occurrences of massive erosion of the soil that has been compacted.

I can only talk about the cost of doing piling foundation which cannot be advised for you do to do due to the cost involved. Perhaps if I have time I can consult with others in the field on how much cost per square meter and height of filling and materials you may require.
Cheers!

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by SylarsMcQuins: 2:37pm On Feb 19, 2016
No idea
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Nobody: 2:37pm On Feb 19, 2016
Raft is preferable because of cost. Pile is too expensive.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by dunkem21(m): 2:38pm On Feb 19, 2016
Pile .. Though it will cost you a fortune ..
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Fadahunsi(m): 2:38pm On Feb 19, 2016
pile would be advisable!
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by opalu: 2:39pm On Feb 19, 2016
@Topic
Every Site has its own peculiarities. And as a Structural Engineer, I would need to examine yours before diagnose what type of foundation is best suited. Just as doctors can't use a single symptom to judge the type of drug, likewise it's wrong for any Professional in this field to use the word Swampy to judge the foundation type.
Therefore you will need a competent Structural Specialist to check it out and give you expert opinion. He may likely advise a soil test if he deems necessary. I have used Piles for 'swampy' site I have also used raft on several 'swampy' sites. Also other soil improvement methods.

@ALL

I usually advise my clients especially those about to purchase land for building project to go with an expert. You don't just carry a lawyer to look at the land and look at the neighbouring houses and the title documents and conclude it is a good deal. All those are proper but you need an Expert eye that can see many things you can't see.

Due to the recurrent issues of foundation that I receive year in year out, I categorised lands for building into 4 groups. I can only explain 2 and you will understand the rest
1. LOW PRICE HIGH VALUE LANDS (LPHV)
These are lands that are low in price but are valuable in so many ways. It is high value if the cost to do foundation is very low. I built a church in Ibadan where the subsoil is too strong and the client didn't spend much on foundation. It is high value if the cost of water drilling and treatment is very low. There are sites that costs so much to treat the water on them. I once did a project in Ikotun where the natural ground water from the borehole was sparkling clean. We took samples for lab analysis and we found that it was as pure as packaged water.

2. HIGH PRICE LOW VALUE LANDS (HPLV)
If you buy a land for 300 million naira and it is floodprone and you have to spend twice that amount to solve the flooding issue, then it is low Value in this context. We have done projects on such lands whereby we use 3 times the amount for the land in sand filing. You buy a land for X Amount and sandfill with 3X Amount. Total is 4X. So I ask the owners why they didn't just buy a clean land that costs1.5X or even 2X?

Others are LOW PRICE LOW VALUE LANDS.
and HIGH PRICE HIGH VALUE LANDS

I explained all these and more in my free Homeownership ebook.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by waloma(m): 2:40pm On Feb 19, 2016
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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Deivid10(m): 2:40pm On Feb 19, 2016
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by ricki: 2:41pm On Feb 19, 2016
Both
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Oguieke(m): 2:41pm On Feb 19, 2016
U need the service of competent registered civil Engr for advices.call Engr p.c Nnaemezie the c.e.o of laplas projects limited.m.n.s.e,m.nice.m.asce,Coren.08036289710.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by NairaLandEFCC: 2:42pm On Feb 19, 2016
Nice
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Teddeebear: 2:45pm On Feb 19, 2016
combine raft, pad and pile if you have money …
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by dedons: 2:46pm On Feb 19, 2016
So na now you wan spend your share of the "Dasukigate" money.

Baba boooooohari is coming for you.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by viktor01(m): 2:47pm On Feb 19, 2016
No idea.
Consult a professional.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by yosmen: 2:48pm On Feb 19, 2016
who did your architectural drawing?He should have done a full drawing for u.
Foundation is the heart of a building. Get a competent engineer who will do a detailed foundation design and carry out soil test.
Avoid assumptions.Avoid quacks and Don't be penny wise pound foolish

You can build in stages.feel free to contact me on 07030483650

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by ayotoyin(f): 2:49pm On Feb 19, 2016
Kindly go for Soil test to determine the best type of foundation to be used on that site. Its easier to ask for raft or pile, but safer to do soil test to guide your final decision.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by tayo200(m): 2:49pm On Feb 19, 2016
up man utd
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by yinparc: 2:50pm On Feb 19, 2016
my brother go for Raft.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by ABBEYBOBO: 2:56pm On Feb 19, 2016
Kindly endeavour to get a soli text report from a competent Engineer. The report will assist your structural Engineer to design have obtain your Architectural drawings.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by AreaFada2: 2:57pm On Feb 19, 2016
ayotoyin:
Kindly go for Soil test to determine the best type of foundation to be used on that site. Its easier to ask for raft or pile, but safer to do soil test to guide your final decision.

Seconded.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Mcbenjamin(m): 2:57pm On Feb 19, 2016
You have to first and foremost carry out a geotechnical survey to determine the soil structure of the area, and also the ground water content. Then that will determine what kind of foundation that will be suitable for the area. But most swamp areas we have worked on, we did pilling for their foundation.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by danemenike: 2:58pm On Feb 19, 2016
I'm Engr. Daniel Emenike, Director, MENIC NIG LTD. Phone No: 07037629947.
I stay in Keffi and practice in Abuja, Keffi and Jos...
To start with, your question is in line and I understand what you are going through. From your question you seem to be a moderate man who might not be able to afford a PILE FOUNDATION. Pile foundation which would have being the best in this case is quite expensive to construct, it is mostly used to construct bridges, dams, high-rise structures e.t.c it might cost you so much.
Notwithstanding, all hope is not lost because a good Engineer will be able to construct a good RAFT FOUNDATION at a reasonable cost. Raft Foundation if properly built will suit your building and any swampy area. Thanks!

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Sunnydj: 3:01pm On Feb 19, 2016
u can u raft with stones for the foundation and make sure the foundation deep to the 3ft level of hard surface and the foundation is 2/3 blocks higher than the soil surface.
Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by gist4kidsblog: 3:02pm On Feb 19, 2016
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Serious buyer should call/whatsapp 08085310359, 09054800167

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by xtremely9ja: 3:02pm On Feb 19, 2016
OP please if you are not a civil engineer, kindly contact a professional engineer to handle this job for you. Do not be penny wise and pound foolish. The bitterness of poor quality remains after the sweetness of low price is long forgotten.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by asamaigho(m): 3:05pm On Feb 19, 2016
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both foundations are ok,but d cost of pile foundation is higher raft foundation,because even in a pile foundation u stil have top it wit a raft foundation.
a raft foundation for a building of such magnitude could get to 1.5m thick,dats massive concrete as reinforcement.dat may cost u well above 10m naira.
for pile
a steel hollow pipe,say 24" pipe cost about 600k or there abt,hmmmm,multiply by d total number of columns ,lets assume 35,hmm dats alot of money.den u have to connect all piles with well reinforced beams,den cast the floor with a raft foundation of about 600mm thickness.

the bottom line is both foundations are ok,the cost is what u should b comcerned about.

finally foundation is very important in a building.so please get a civil engr dat is specialised in geotech for proper soil investigation and test.
2 get a civil engr dat is specialised in structural eng.


please dont go for roadside. brick layer oo hmm.

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by LagosObama: 3:07pm On Feb 19, 2016
You've made the first mistake by filling the site before commencing your foundation because you will
either have to allow the filled up sand to settle (which could take years!!) or dig deeper to more solid ground. Please follow
advice on this thread to employ a competent structural engr who can advise you further before you make more
mistakes!

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by Nobody: 3:08pm On Feb 19, 2016
Guyman02:
Foundation (or, more commonly, foundations) is the element of an architectural structure which connects it to the ground, and transfers loads from the structure to the ground. Foundations are generally considered either shallow or deep. (Wiki)

Pile foundation is quite costly and applied especially where you expect some level of vibration like in a factory or a plant.

You will need to some Excavation in a water logged area like you mentioned which should be at a depth of between three to five feet deep in the ground. This is done because when you set up a house without first considering what effect water will have on it, chances are that you might end up incurring double stretching expenses. After excavating about five feet deep, its always advisable to first lay a layer of hard core stones that are relatively bigger in size and not soil as most people do, reason being water from underground easily penetrates through soil. If available, the use of a hand or mechanical operated compressor is advisable to compact and compress the stones together.

After laying hard core stones, they should be followed by relatively smaller stones (gravel) and then a heavy heap of soil that should also be compressed to fill the gaps left unfilled by stones. This is done to ensure that there are no spaces left to prevent easy penetration and spillage of water.

It is then advisable to leave the newly laid foundation for some time of about three to six months for an area that is seasonally water logged and six to 12 months for an area that is averagely water logged before the final work plan of building is set up. This is because the compressed stones and the disintegrated soil must be given room to fully attach itself together to attain a firm and strong foundation.

The area where the new foundation has been set up should be cordoned off in a fence and proper drainage channels put up around it to prevent occurrences of massive erosion of the soil that has been compacted.

I can only talk about the cost of doing piling foundation which cannot be advised for you do to do due to the cost involved. Perhaps if I have time I can consult with others in the field on how much cost per square meter and height of filling and materials you may require.
Cheers!

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Re: Building On Swamp, How Do I Go, Raft Or Pile? by oludare007: 3:09pm On Feb 19, 2016
raft is what u will employ.

but like pile, it is overly expensive!

if u need a building technologist/architect, send me a pm. the site needs to be visited, and the type of foundation design will be laid bare in your eyes!

poking with a stick cannot be used to determine the stable strata...

thank u

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