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Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by musicwriter(m): 6:57pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
vicadex07: The political or economic power of ancient kingdoms like Ghana kingdom, Songhai, Bini empire, Egypt, Ethiopia, e.t.c are not necessarily related to their current political influence, otherwise, Egypt would have been the most successful nation on earth. Rome, not even Italy would have been the most successful nation in today's Europe. Where is Rome today?. Egypt brought civilization to the world; where is Egypt today?. Ethiopia was so powerful in the past that they were not colonized; where is Ethiopia today?. Some ancient great kingdoms are not even heard of today, cause nothing is left of their former selves. Where is Songhai today?. It's just a name in the history books!. Kingdoms fall!. Kingdoms rise!. Kingdoms reach a height at specific time in their history, and that's what the Bini empire did up to the 1800 century AD. As a matter of fact, the Bini Kingdom is globally recognized as one of greatest empire of the ancient world, not just in Africa. Ife or and Oyo empires were an offshoot of the Bini empire, and that doesn't diminish the power wielded by the Oyo empire at their prime. I try to avoid this kind of thread cause it leads to ethnic bashing, something I don't want to be part of. However, my theory about the cause of this incessant argument on Nairaland about who was greater or not, is that Yorubas today are more educated than the Bini's and could re-write history to their favour. Afterall, after the British committed so much crime all over the world, Mr. Oscar Wilde told them not to worry, because according to him "the only thing we owe to history is to re-write it". The greatest African kingdoms before the coming of Europeans. See http://www.africason.com/2016/02/great-african-kingdoms-before-coming-of.html 3 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Nobody: 7:31pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
musicwriter:nice |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by vicadex07(m): 10:44pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
musicwriter: At least all those countries and ancient empires you mentioned as examples fill up a country or even countries and they have reigned in farther distant years than the benin empire...but the world acclaimed benin empire with historical records up till the 19th century cannot boast of just one state in Nigeria. They cannot even be said to be the 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th largest and most influential ethnic group in Nigeria. To me, their so called greatness was just overstated and exaggerated. Meanwhile.... PeterKbaba: 2 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by bigfrancis21: 3:13pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
vicadex07: I just had time to respond to this post of yours. First of all, Israel just became a country only as recently as in 1948, while the kingdom of Benin is of many African kingdoms that existed many centuries ago. This should explain to you why one still exists till today and the other does not. You should also realize that nations rise to power and fall. This is history. Egypt was once a world power but today it is not. Rome once rose to power and influence but today it is a shadow of its former self. Benin empire was a great influential kingdom, wielding influence over Bini land, parts of Yoruba territory, parts of Igbo territory etc. This is WELL DOCUMENTED in history. The Benin empire was defeated by the British after it was invaded, destroyed and the king sent to exile. If not for this, I would expect the Bini kingdom to continue to exist till today. I see attempts to belittle the Bini kingdom by some people on this forum or even more so to re-write history and undermine the influence it had. Your question about if war breaks out between Bini and Yoruba does not even make sense in this question because you are assuming that the greater population of Yoruba would make sure they win, while forgetting that today wars are much less of physical fighting than in the past and are more of use sophisticated weapons. Also, having allies on your side can assist a country in winning its wars. Whether you choose to accept it or not, the Bini people had a GREAT kingdom, and wielded great influence over several areas, including Yoruba land. You don't have to agree with history and you are entitled to your own beliefs. But do not try to belittle someone else's influence or claim someone else's influence as yours just because it does not belong to you. 3 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by pdpchangeapc(m): 6:39pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: The fact remains that evidence of that your acclaimed greatness was/is not present here and so because both yorubas and binis have no valid written history, it will be good for us to assume the present situation to judge. That is my own point. 2 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by bigfrancis21: 8:14pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
pdpchangeapc: For starters, I am not Bini but I do not need to be Bini to speak on Bini history. @bold...please do not drag Bini into this your self-acclaimed history revision. If you think Yorubas do not have a valid written history, the Binis DO have a valid written history and do not drag the Binis down to that level of yours. |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Nobody: 10:39pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
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Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Nobody: 2:09pm On Feb 25, 2016 |
The UK is undoubtedly greater than Nigeria even if the population of both countries differ considerably in favour of Nigeria. Am not really saying bini is, but your excuse is insensible. 1 Like |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by absoluteSuccess: 2:50pm On Feb 25, 2016 |
omonnakoda: how does this portrayed iwapele? Our father's says beti o ba gbo yingin, inu oni baje. You are questioning his position about Ife empire, are you Oyo? If so, Oyo is ife's brother somewhere and they can find somewhere to settle their difference. |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by absoluteSuccess: 3:45pm On Feb 25, 2016 |
vicadex07: Many are the new versions of Yoruba history, we need to keep abreast of the ones yet to come from the enemies' camp. Some Yoruba writers preferred local version of Oduduwa, and they want to stick to the east too, so Bini comes to the picture. When you dump the East, dump the 'East line of story'. Dump Oduduwa, and dump Ile Ife, don't try to inherit it, don't plagiarize, it will haunt you as 'quacks' unable to tell a good story. To the acclaimed Igbo Republican, 'east' and partisan sympathy to Bini cause is political, a new dimension of 'east versus west' camouflaged as 'history'. There is this Igbo proverb I know: 'Yoruba are cowards' they says, But since the beginning of Yoruba writers at the turn of the last two centuries, Yoruba never wrote their history with cowardice perspective. From Crowther to Biobaku, none went to the grave thinking they were suppressing a Bini connection anyway, this new bini variant never existed. That a group of people has turned 'Job comforters' shows that the enemies can never be loved so as to change. The Yoruba is not a 'Yoruba empire', it is a 'Yoruba race'. Let Bini be whatever empire suits her, we are but Yoruba race. We are a civilization that was planted with everything that makes for a civil and organized city-states from the onset. We have checks and balance. Yoruba history is in a class of its own. Where did you read a Yoruba history written in two chapters of a book of a funny title? When did Yoruba King became a Yoruba historian? Even my books on Yoruba historical traditions are of 'hundred pages not enough'. History of a great people always have an aura of greatness about it. And Yoruba history is part of her greatness. People should be ashamed to have read Pauline epistles and fail in their own stories 2000 years later. And you still think its not cowardly to call the history book of a great empire by a funny name? If you can't be great by this token, how have you told men of your greatness? We are the envy of others. Adie funfun, aayo Olodumare. 2 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Armaggedon: 12:43pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
sunkieisland:tribal rant can never take the place of sound historical discourse. There was nothing like 'yoruba kingdom' |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by kaythomas: 1:08pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Armaggedon:Yes you're right, nothing like Yoruba kingdom. Yoruba had an empire not a kingdom. Benin had a kingdom while Yoruba had an empire. Benin/Edo is an enclosed tribe within a single Nigeria State while Yoruba is a race in Africa and beyond. Between a kingdom and an empire which one is superior? Here is the dictionary meaning of the two: An empire is an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state. A kingdom is a country, state, or territory ruled by a king or queen. 2 Likes |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Armaggedon: 1:19pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
kaythomas:oyo was a kingdom not an empire we now know better |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Armaggedon: 1:20pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
kaythomas:oyo was a kingdom not an empire |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by kaythomas: 1:28pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Armaggedon:Oyo? a kingdom and not an empire? You've got to be kidding. |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by lawani: 4:02pm On Apr 28, 2016 |
Since the Yoruba language arrived in West Africa, it upstaged others. That language was the language of the Ife Ibinu now known as Benin which was used throughout the empire that was an Ife successor empire no different from Ijesa, Oyo, Ijebu and etc. The closest languages to the language of the Benin empire would be Ilaje and Itsekiri in my opinion but nowadays the capital of the old Benin empire now speaks an Edoid language. That is their dilemma. We Yorubas also had old Akokoid languages totally different from what we now speak but we have all adopted Yoruba. If the Benin empire had lasted for long enough, all of the empire today up to Ogba land, Onitsha and etc would have been Yoruboid speakers. So the Benin of the past was Yoruboid while today is Edoid. They are not really thesame. If a people are representative of the Benin empire in language and culture, those will be the Ilaje and Itsekiri and other Eastern Yoruba not the indigenes of Benin city. There was an Edoid empire that predated the Yoruba one of Benin, that one was named Igodomigodo and would have used a proto Edoid language while earlier Ife people used proto Akokoid. The Edoid people in Benin want to claim the Benin empire but that empire was Yoruba and not Edoid, the founders of that empire would not have been saying they are not from Ife as the benin now say. 1 Like |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by ritababe(f): 4:25pm On Apr 28, 2016 |
vicadex07: a Benin person can still defeat more than a thousand of your tribe. |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by vicadex07(m): 6:30pm On Apr 28, 2016 |
In ur dreams. The so called benin empire has been decimated to the extent that u cant get just one state to call your own in todays Nigeria, while the Yorubas occupy a whole region, the South West, with five states and anexes in kwara and kogi state. ritababe: 1 Like |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by Oluwamuyeewa(m): 12:26pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
vicadex07: And where did you hear this crap? |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by vicadex07(m): 12:40pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Answer my question first. At least it isnt a lie Oluwamuyeewa: |
Re: If Benin Is Greater Than Yoruba, Why Cant Their Entire Population Fill A State by sherlock229(m): 8:53am On Mar 14, 2019 |
I'm yoruba and I agreed Benin empire at it's height was the greatest in Nigeria by far. 1 Like |
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