cckris:
Genesis 1:1-3
1. God
2. Spirit
3. Word

Matthew 28:19
1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy Spirit

Your HATRED against Jesus can't change anything.

HIbreed:
[size=25pt]Jesus the Son[/size]

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Since these texts exist in God's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Jesus had really been God and the ransom had not actually been paid!

BlackHummer:


You are absolutely correct. It takes great courage to break out of wrong doctrines that were fundamental in our orthodox up bringing. Infact, people shy away from iconoclastic truths for fear of being termed false prophets or apostates. Scripture is too palpable to mislead any educated Christian as regards the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Son of God, the apostles called him the 'servant of God.' This neither means Jesus did not have the nature of God (Phil 2:6) nor reduce the efficacy of His name. He is the express image of God as evident in the scriptural references you provided. In those days, we used to shade out the image of a coin on a sheet of paper. That image is the reflection of the real coin. Jesus is the reflection of God and scripture supports this. "I only do what I see my father do". Jesus is the projection of God the Father on the plane of humanity and that is why Jesus told Philip that if he had seen him, he had seen the Father (John 14:9). I have not found a christian that has properly explained the taught doctrine of Trinity and the simple reason is because it is wrong.

By the way, here's my 2 cents to further buttress that Jesus is the Son of God, not necessarily the same (singular) being as God.
1 Cor 15:23-24 (Jesus will hand over the kingdom entrusted to him to the Father after perfecting the work of redemption)

eduj:
Genesis chapter 1
in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
now the earth was formless and empty,darkness was over the surface of the deep,and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

emphasis on "the spirit of God"

eduj:
Genesis chapter 1
in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
now the earth was formless and empty,darkness was over the surface of the deep,and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

emphasis on "the spirit of God"

HIbreed:
Holy Spirit is God's active force,or work force.It our cherished gift from God.

cowgirl9090:
The Bible is contradicting, you can go on and bring a 100 verses from the Bible proving that trinity doesn't exist, another person will also bring 100 verses to prove to you that trinity exist.

I don't know why people want to kill them self because of this trinity.

eduj:
though a Catholic I doubted the Trinity dogma until I read the gospel of John. pls op explain the first chapter of John because to me, it's proof of the Trinity.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There was a man sent from God whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”)
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

eduj:

sister your right. apart from this Trinity issue I wanted to quit the Catholic Church over the Holy mother (virgin Mary) issue .it was during that period that I also discovered that, those other churches aren't perfect .I came to realise that its not about the church but about whom I am. Nebuchadnezzar wasn't a Jew, but he found God's favour .ballam the prophet brought to curse the isrealites wasn't among the tribe of Jacob but, he was A man of God in the midst of pagans.

eduj:
John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6
in the above verses, Jesus said that "I am whom I am"
this is the same answer God gave Moses when he asked :whom shall I tell the Egyptians sent me?

HIbreed:
i believe in Jesus,the only begotten son of the true God,who died so that we shall be saved. He is not God,stop twisting the glaring bible truth.
Proclaimers of the Trinity theory use John 1:1 as their strongest proof that Jehovah and Jesus are one and the same: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
And, on the surface, this statement seems to be a rather straight forward explanation of the relationship of God and Jesus. However, truth does not arise from single Bible verses taken out of context or blindly accepted without research and study.However,there are hundreds of bible verse that shed light on Jesus rightful place among The heavenly realm and men.

HIbreed:
Holy Spirit is God's active force,or work force.It our cherished gift from God.

eduj:
Hebrews chapter 1vs 8
but about the son he says"your throne oh God would last forever and ever,and righteousness would be the scepter of your kingdom"

note it's God the father speaking

eduj:
John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6
in the above verses, Jesus said that "I am whom I am"
this is the same answer God gave Moses when he asked :whom shall I tell the Egyptians sent me?

malvisguy212:
did you just say the Holy spirit is God active force ? Then as long as it is a force, everyone is entitle to it ? May God forgive you my friend.

The holy spirit is a person, He teaches:
John 14:26
26 “But the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the
Father will send in My name, HE WIlL TEACH YOU
all things, and bring to your remembrance all
that I said to you.

He testifies (John 15:26)He guides into all truth, He hears, speaks, shows ( John 16:13). "What constitutes the essentials of personality? Usually three things - a person must possess intelligence, emotions, and will. A thing lacks these, but the Holy Spirit is not a thing because He has intelligence, emotions and will".

Intelligence -The Spirit knows the things of God (1. Corinthians 2:10-11)
Emotions - The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30, and He loves Christians (Romans 15:30). Both emotions are experienced by a person not a thing or power.
Will -The Spirit gives gifts to men as He wills (1
Corinthians 12:11)

HIbreed:
if Jesus is of the same equality with God, why did he directed all the glory.To God.

Answer:
Philippians 2:5 - 11 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself, [size=14pt]taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men[/size];
and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.[/b]

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.

John 7:16 Jesus therefore answered them and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me.

Scholar8200:


You asked a question and quoted a passage that answers you.

These passages you quoted:
Were spoken after the Word became flesh.