Matthew 24:44-51King James Version (KJV)

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Take note of the bolded it was in singular term not plural, hence to imply that its refering to a single individual, not a group of men, as some groups imply, here is a n excerpt of a watchtower quote, similitudes of theses teaching exist in other groups, but am using the watchtower as an example, because the structure, foundation of the religion, rests on this scripture:

"That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel."

Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

"“The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”"

jw.org 10th Nov 2012

^^^ the logic is flawed because

1. Jesus reffered to just a singular person, not a group of people.

2. This now raises a serious question: What proof do they have to prove that they were specially hand picked by Jesus in 1919? The scriptures point to Jesus as the only link between God and man jh 14:6. Even the apostles who were called by Jesus had miracles and signs to prove that they were sent by God Heb 2:4. A mere claim is not enough proof, because talk is cheap!
One has to be careful, considering the fact that Jesus warned us against imposters and anti-christ (those mocking him). Mattew 24:5, john 10: 1, 12-13.
In my opinion, if you make a grandoise claim as such without backing it with proof, you are making a mockery of Jesus.

3. Faith in Jesus is required for salvation, not loyalty to any organization. John 3:16, romans 10:9,10.
Here is a word of Jesus we need to take seriously;

John 10:9King James Version (KJV)

9 I am the door: by me [size=16pt]if any man enter in, he shall be saved[/size], and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 10:1King James Version (KJV)

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

^^^ the scriptures above is very self explanatory!

who then is the faithful and wise servant?

The faithful and wise servant clearly refers to the early church foundational leaders, how do we know that?

2 Corinthians 4:5New International Version (NIV)

5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.

Romans 1:1 ESV

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an Apostle, set apart to proclaim God's word.

The Apostles proclaimed themselves to be the servant of Jesus apointed to look after his sheep, with the scriptures above, one calls to mind, Jesus' words to Peter telling him to feed his sheep.

Even at that, the Apostles taught only Jesus and emphasized him, and tried not to exalt themselves above Jesus, can we say so about denominations of Today who downplays the messianic role of Jesus?

They laid the foundation, with Jesus being the chief corner-stone.

Ephesians 2:19-20New International Version (NIV)

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

^^^ simple! Full-stop!

Hence any other teaching or claims of “new light“ is apostasy. The teachings of the apostles all had their root to Jesus, can we say the same for ALL "new lights" taught?

Who then is the evil servant? The evil servant is that one who departs from the teachings of the apostles and prophets, e.g Denmas 2timothy 4:10 apostle Paul talked about handing such one to satan for the destruction of the flesh 1Corithains 5:5.

The scripture is still acting itself out today it has not been fully fulfilled. What matters to Us is our faithfulness all loyalty to the feeding of the sheep (preaching the word). But then we must highly skeptical about those who claim that our salvation depends on them.

paulGrundy:
Matthew 24:44-51King James Version (KJV)

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Take note of the bolded [size=16pt]it was in singular term not plural[/size], hence to imply that its refering to a single individual, not a group of men, as some groups imply, here is a n excerpt of a watchtower quote, similitudes of theses teaching exist in other groups, but am using the watchtower as an example, because the structure, foundation of the religion, rests on this scripture:

"That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel."

Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

"“The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”"

jw.org 10th Nov 2012

^^^ the logic is flawed because

1. Jesus reffered to just a singular person, not a group of people.

2. This now raises a serious question: What proof do they have to prove that they were specially hand picked by Jesus in 1919? The scriptures point to Jesus as the only link between God and man jh 14:6. Even the apostles who were called by Jesus had miracles and signs to prove that they were sent by God Heb 2:4. A mere claim is not enough proof, because talk is cheap!
One has to be careful, considering the fact that Jesus warned us against imposters and anti-christ (those mocking him). Mattew 24:5, john 10: 1, 12-13.
In my opinion, if you make a grandoise claim as such without backing it with proof, you are making a mockery of Jesus.

3. Faith in Jesus is required for salvation, not loyalty to any organization. John 3:16, romans 10:9,10.
Here is a word of Jesus we need to take seriously;

John 10:9King James Version (KJV)

9 I am the door: by me [size=16pt]if any man enter in, he shall be saved[/size], and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 10:1King James Version (KJV)

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

^^^ the scriptures above is very self explanatory!

who then is the faithful and wise servant?

The faithful and wise servant clearly refers to the early church foundational [size=14pt]leaders[/size], how do we know that?

2 Corinthians 4:5New International Version (NIV)

5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.

Romans 1:1 ESV

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an Apostle, set apart to proclaim God's word.

The Apostles proclaimed themselves to be the servant of Jesus apointed to look after his sheep, with the scriptures above, one calls to mind, Jesus' words to Peter telling him to feed his sheep.

Even at that, the Apostles taught only Jesus and emphasized him, and tried not to exalt themselves above Jesus, can we say so about denominations of Today who downplays the messianic role of Jesus?

They laid the foundation, with Jesus being the chief corner-stone.

Ephesians 2:19-20New International Version (NIV)

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

^^^ simple! Full-stop!

Hence any other teaching or claims of “new light“ is apostasy. The teachings of the apostles all had their root to Jesus, can we say the same for ALL "new lights" taught?

Who then is the evil servant? The evil servant is that one who departs from the teachings of the apostles and prophets, e.g Denmas 2timothy 4:10 apostle Paul talked about handing such one to satan for the destruction of the flesh 1Corithains 5:5.

The scripture is still acting itself out today it has not been fully fulfilled. What matters to Us is our faithfulness all loyalty to the feeding of the sheep (preaching the word). But then we must highly skeptical about those who claim that our salvation depends on them.

Your comments in purple and blue above refer:

1. Are “the early church foundational [size=16pt]leaders[/size]” in plural or singular term?

2. Supposed you are wrong about whom you claim the faithful and wise servant is, as it's obviously so, what would you say about your comments in blue?

Freksy:


Your comments in purple and blue above refer:

1. Are “the early church foundational [size=16pt]leaders[/size]” in plural or singular term?

It reffered to the them individually not as a class or collective group, because the disciples didn't form a special structure that interpretes doctrine, although a special jerusalem council was set up, but it was to reconcile differences in doctrine not to formulate new doctrine, even at that some leaders did not conform to the councils recommendations. Early christains relied ONLY on the direction of the holy-spirit.

2. Supposed you are wrong about whom you claim the faithful and wise servant is, as it's obviously so, what would you say about your comments in blue?

Don't understand you.

paulGrundy:


It reffered to the them individually not as a class or collective group, because the disciples didn't form a special structure that interpretes doctrine, although a special Jerisalem council was set up, but it was to reconcile differences in doctrine not to formulate new doctrine, even at that some leaders did not conform to the councils recommendations. Early christains relied ONLY on the direction of the holy-spirit.



Don't understand you.

Are “the early church foundational leaders” in plural or singular term? The question is very simple - a YES or NO will do.

Your comment in bold is self-contradictory.

Freksy:


Are “the early church foundational leaders” in plural or singular term? The question is very simple - a YES or NO will do.

Your comment in bold is self-contradictory.

Its singular, but not collective.

paulGrundy:


Its singular, but not collective.

The word "Leaders", can only be singular when used to represent a group of persons, otherwise, it's plural.

paulGrundy:

The faithful and wise servant clearly refers to the early church foundational leader[size=18pt]s[/size],

Your usage is suggestive of a group, if you say "leaders" is singular. Note: You don't necessarily have to use the word "group", or the likes, for it to be so.

paulGrundy:

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

If they were the EARLY church foundational leaders, as you claim, the question is: according to Matthew 24:46, did the lord come and find them giving his household meat?

Freksy:


The word "Leaders", can only be singular when used to represent a group of persons, otherwise, it's plural.



Your usage is suggestive of a group, if you say "leaders" is singular. Note: You don't necessarily have to use the word "group", or the likes, for it to be so.



If they were the EARLY church foundational leaders, as you claim, the question is: according to Matthew 24:46, did the lord come and find them giving his household meat?

U seem not to understand me, if you read my conclusion, I said that the script is still acting itself out today.
by early church foundational leaders I mean those christain leaders who still adhere strictly to the foundatinal apostolic teachings of the early church which is centered on Jesus, in its pure unadulterated form/without building on it.

1 Corinthians 3:11English Standard Version (ESV)

11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

paulGrundy:


U seem not to understand me, if you read my conclusion, I said that the script is still acting itself out today.
by early church foundational leaders I mean those christain leaders [size=14pt]who still adhere[/size] strictly to the foundatinal apostolic teachings of the early church which is centered on Jesus, in its pure unadulterated form/without building on it.

1 Corinthians 3:11English Standard Version (ESV)

11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Bros, the early church foundational leaders can't mean their adherents. I think you are wrong. Please see below whom you claimed "the faithful and wise servant" is/are and compare with your comment above.

paulGrundy:


who then is the faithful and wise servant?

The faithful and wise servant clearly refers to the early church foundational leaders, how do we know that?

1 Corinthians 3:11 you quoted shows that Christ, the foundation, was laid far back in time of the apostles. The question again: According to Matthew 24:46, did the lord come and find them giving his household meat?


Again, who are Jesus' household that were to be served with meats by "the faithful and wise servant"?

Freksy:


Bros, the early church foundational leaders can't mean their adherents. I think you are wrong. Please see below whom you claimed "the faithful and wise servant" is/are and compare with your comment above.



1 Corinthians 3:11 you quoted shows that Christ, the foundation, was laid far back in time of the apostles. The question again: According to Matthew 24:46, did the lord come and find them giving his household meat?


Again, who are Jesus' household that were to be served with meats by "the faithful and wise servant"?

Its like classifying a group of christains and calling them pentecostals, they were not even born when the spirit was poured out at pentecosts, but they are called so because they have beliefs and practices of those who witnessed and advocated pentecost simple!

Freksy:


Bros, the early church foundational leaders can't mean their adherents. I think you are wrong. Please see below whom you claimed "the faithful and wise servant" is/are and compare with your comment above

.

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1 Corinthians 3:11 you quoted shows that Christ, the foundation, was laid far back in time of the apostles. The question again: According to Matthew 24:46, did the lord come and find them giving his household meat?

Yes, that was why he was called the faithful and wise servant, like said earlier, the script is still acting itself out.

Again, who are Jesus' household that were to be served with meats by "the faithful and wise servant"?

The belivers of Jesus galatains 6:10

paulGrundy:


Its like [size=14pt]class[/size]ifying [size=14pt]a group[/size] of christains and calling them pentecostals,

The above is not in consistent with what you said earlier. Please see your previous comments below:

paulGrundy:

Take note of the bolded it was in singular term not plural, hence to imply that its refering to a single individual, [size=14pt]not a group of men[/size], as some groups imply,

paulGrundy:

It reffered to the them individually [size=14pt]not as a class or collective group[/size],

DON'T YOU THINK YOU NEED TO REVIEW YOUR POSITION REGARDING WHOM THE FAITHFUL AND WISE SERVANT ARE?

paulGrundy:

they were not even born when the spirit was poured out at pentecosts,

Then who laid the foundation mentioned at 1 Corinthians 3:11 English Standard Version (ESV)
you quoted, and when was it laid? Is it possible that the said foundation was laid twice - before and after apostle Paul pened it down?

Recall that the text says "...no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid,..."

paulGrundy:

but they are called so because they have beliefs and practices of those who witnessed and advocated pentecost simple!

You have not answered the questions I asked.

Ephesians 4:11-16King James Version (KJV)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The minister of God, be it pastor, teacher, prophet or whatsoever is appointed over Gods domestics to give meat in due reason- rightly dividing the word of truth based on the belivers spiritual needs. 2timothy 2:15. It may be milk, 1Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12, 1Corinthians 3:2; it may be the “strong meat” or “solid food.”
Through spiritual discernment, the faithful and wise servant discerns not just the right food, but the right season to administer it.