PastorAIO:


I don't know what all that is that you're writing. I asked very simple questions. You said Satan tempted Jesus where he spotted weakness. So I asked you what weakness he was attacking when he offered him the Kingdoms. Was it megalomania? If not, just say, 'no it's not' and then tell us what the weakness was.

And also that for jumping off high place. What was the weakness? Was Jesus uncertain of God that he felt a need to test him for confirmation?

If you feel you can't answer these questions that okay too, but in that case just spare me the mentions.

malvisguy212:
For All the days of jesus on earth, the forty days fasting is the weakest point of his ministry, that is a very Good time for the enemy to approach and do all his trick..

malvisguy212:
I don't want to response to this post but a dear friend of mine ask me to. the passage clearly say, jesus fasted for forty days, and was hungry just as every human fell hungry, and what was the tempting about ? Turn this stone to bread, [size=13pt]the weakness satan see, is because jesus was hungry[/size].

Ishilove:

Assorted varieties. Name your choice

PastorAIO:


I'm getting analysis paralysis. Too much choice (judging from your posts).

Come judgement day I go point accusing finger at you, 'O Lord, your honour, The woman gave me to eat'. I go hire the same lawyer as Adam.

PastorAIO:


You are very clear when you talk here. You make a full exposition of the weakness at that point which is HUNGER, a weakness every human feels. Thank you very much.

I now ask you to do the same for the following 2 temptations that were mentioned. Instead of maintaining the same clarity of speech you decide to dance atilogwu instead. What are you afraid of? What are you hiding?

PastorAIO:


You are very clear when you talk here. You make a full exposition of the weakness at that point which is HUNGER, a weakness every human feels. Thank you very much.

I now ask you to do the same for the following 2 temptations that were mentioned. Instead of maintaining the same clarity of speech you decide to dance atilogwu instead. What are you afraid of? What are you hiding?

InesQor:
@PastorAIO

Here's my take. I think the problem with sin and temptation is "continuity" i.e. continuing in sin. Everyone will find themselves tempted (i.e. contemplating it) at some time or the other, and they will have opportunities to resist the temptation, like Jesus did, or succumb to it. "He was tempted in every way as we were, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).

The Pharisees were smartazzes. They liked to find ways to bend the law and appear righteous, so Jesus was clarifying that when you are getting your high by being close enough to dwelling in sin without appearing to actually be sinning, then you are still in error.

In short, there is nothing wrong with having a hard-one when that hot tamale passes by. It is a natural biological reaction, although you may also learn to control it. What actually counts is how you dwell on the thoughts after the biological reaction in your boxers. If you think you can enjoy fantasizing about that woman with glorious bo.obs and an amazing bo.oty in your office - without any consequences, you're in error because the more you yield to temptation, the harder it will be to resist further temptation. It's a slippery slope.

Your thoughts?

Ishilove:

Nice one

InesQor:

Ishi bebe How have you been? I missed you a bit.

Ishilove:

Ma niqqa... I missed you a bit too

Ishilove:
I've been okay o. Jungle don mature so the violent is taking it by force

shalom4eva:

he has answered your question ma brother. the devil came for the weak spot nd was defeated bt because he dint wnt to concede to defeat he decided to do 'try ur luck' bt also encountered defeat. look at it criticaly, if jesus was kingdom hungry the tempter wld hv started from showin him kingdoms but he started from that weak spot wch is fud. hope you grab my points

malvisguy212:
Temptation attack a WEAK spot, trials are meant for the STRONG spot.

malvisguy212:
see, you are missing the point, the forty days fasting is the time when jesus has weakness ( hungry) Why dint satan came to Him again after the fasting ? Because that was The ONLY time satan see the weakness, To satan, that was jesus weakness, but Thy Lord's prevail.

InesQor:
@PastorAIO

Here's my take. I think the problem with sin and temptation is "continuity" i.e. continuing in sin. Everyone will find themselves tempted (i.e. contemplating it) at some time or the other, and they will have opportunities to resist the temptation, like Jesus did, or succumb to it. "He was tempted in every way as we were, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).

The Pharisees were smartazzes. They liked to find ways to bend the law and appear righteous, so Jesus was clarifying that when you are getting your high by being close enough to dwelling in sin without appearing to actually be sinning, then you are still in error.

In short, there is nothing wrong with having a hard-one when that hot tamale passes by. It is a natural biological reaction, although you may also learn to control it. What actually counts is how you dwell on the thoughts after the biological reaction in your boxers. If you think you can enjoy fantasizing about that woman with glorious bo.obs and an amazing bo.oty in your office - without any consequences, you're in error because the more you yield to temptation, the harder it will be to resist further temptation. It's a slippery slope.

Your thoughts?

PastorAIO:


So according to you Malvisguy212 was wrong when he said the following:



Satan first tried the weak spot so that was temptation. Then he got desperate and decided to do 'try ur luck' in which case he would have been attacking strong spots. Therefore according to Malvis that is not temptation but Trial. And Trial comes from God.
Ergo: Satan is equal to God.

It seems to me that you are ready to twist and distort the bible just to protect certain non-biblical doctrines that you have taken up. Of course I'm not surprised.



Luke 4: 13And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.

PastorAIO:


So according to you Malvisguy212 was wrong when he said the following:



Satan first tried the weak spot so that was temptation. Then he got desperate and decided to do 'try ur luck' in which case he would have been attacking strong spots. Therefore according to Malvis that is not temptation but Trial. And Trial comes from God.
Ergo: Satan is equal to God.

It seems to me that you are ready to twist and distort the bible just to protect certain non-biblical doctrines that you have taken up. Of course I'm not surprised.



Luke 4: 13And when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from him until an opportune time.

shalom4eva:

nope, he was very correct, at dt tym there was a weak spot (hunger)

shalom4eva:

nope, he was very correct, at dt tym there was a weak spot (hunger) and strong spots nd accordin to wats in the bible, we read dt he was led by the spirit (nd not by the devil) into the wilderness to b tempted, meanin God know abt it nd dt qualifies it as a trial according to Malvisguy212. secondly, there was a weak spot (hunger) wch was xploited by d devil and dt also qualifies the statement as temptation. bros dont turn things upsyd dwn,read and allow God to interprete to u.tanx

sonOfLucifer:

Hunger isn't a weakness. Rather, it's a natural reaction to staying without food. Jesus was fasting in the wilderness, constraining himself in order to be in God's presence. An empty stomach wasn't Jesus' weakness. He wasn't tempted to eat. He was tempted to turn stone to bread.

PastorAIO:


So it was temptation and trial all at the same time. Because they were attacking weak spots and strong spots at the same time. God doesn't tempt but people but he tries people. So while Satan was attack Jesus on one side with temptation, God was attacking the other side with trials.

Please continue. I'm learning.

malvisguy212:
are you doing this things on purpose ? When you made public declaration of faith, as what happen in river Jordan, that's were the devil will come in . Our Lord’s human nature enables Him to sympathize with our own weaknesses, because He was subjected to weakness, too. More importantly, we have a High Priest who is able to intercede on our behalf and provide the grace of forgiveness. .

Read matthew chapter one. it was the spirit who led jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by satan, everything happen according to God's plan.

johnydon22:


It simply means God set Jesus up to be messed with to test his resolve (God's temptation is called trial so this is Trial)

then as a chief prosecutor of God's whims and tests Satan carried out the test called temptation.

So that's the relationship.

It was all God's will and plan, satan followed the almighty instruction and carried out the temptation but all in all it's all God's trial.

PastorAIO:


I get it. And seen it is the same greek word that is translated into trial and temptation though they are different depending on whether God is involved or not it therefore follows that the bible has been mistranslated in calling the incident the temptations of Christ.

It should be called the Trials of Christ.

PastorAIO:


What exactly do you mean when you say 'subjected to weakness'. Do you mean that Jesus experienced what I experienced at the first flush of puberty, when I looked at our neighbours daughter and spontaneously had a glorious awakening. I rose to the occasion like I never knew I could.

johnydon22:


- A christian do not need a dictionary, only his wits and the bible and he can coin words to mean exactly what he wants...

I doubt if you have ever seen a definition of TRIAL that is "test from God" and a definition of temptation that is "test from satan".

but in the christian mind coining up anything no matter how absurd is okay as long as you are trying to wriggle your way out in your own self induced labyrinth of biblical interpretations.

so today we have been dragged to a whole set of English class by a classical show of unreserved Christian apologetic .



Yes sure since the whole saga was all orchestrated by God

malvisguy212:
jesus is subjected to weakness, but the bible say He never sin, He never give in to the work of the flash. Thank you for your time, have a nice day.

PastorAIO:


See how you constantly fail. Na so them dey fail exam o!

I did not ask you if Jesus sinned. I asked if you mean that He was subjected to weakness the way I am subjected to weakness. That's all. If you can't answer my question that's okay. Talk anything you want to talk but don't quote me as if you are addressing my question when you are not.

malvisguy212:
is their any other way humans are subjected to weakness other than the one we All knows ? You guys are very good in argument.

malvisguy212:
is their any other way humans are subjected to weakness other than the one we All knows ? You guys are very good in argument.

sonOfLucifer:

One only reqiires basic comprehension skills to see the gaping holes in your logic.
Which Jesus was weak? Jesus the God or Jesus the Man? What does 'subjecting oneself to weakness' mean?
If any 'subjecting' was being done, it was Jesus taming his flesh to his will.
But, na wa.. why not just learn Greek so you can be closer to God? Who knows the many misconceptions you might have because a word was loosely or wrongly translated?

PastorAIO:


Good, that's all I was asking.

malvisguy212:
christ is a man, he was subjected to weakness, but the bible say He never sin. God the son is not subjected to weakness, He made His dwelling on the man (christ) who know no sins, God the son dwell on the man jesus because His body is sinless, purest, the bible say God hate sin, that's why God made his dwelling on christ.

PastorAIO:


Good, that's all I was asking.

PastorAIO:
It is very hard to draw that dividing line between the 'natural biological reaction' and dwelling on contemplating the action. How many seconds is one allowed to be aware of the sweet tingling before it stops being just a natural biological reaction and becomes a full blown fantasy.

InesQor:

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Yes it's hard to draw the line between a subconscious reaction and a conscious one, but each person knows when they begin "dwelling" on thoughts of sin. The very fact that we "hear" suggestions of temptation in our subconscious means we are liable to sin, but when we consciously begin to fantasize on it then the tables turn and we are dwelling in sin.

Jesus was "tempted in all ways as we are". This statement would make no sense if he never had the urges or was not liable to sin, but the key thing is that he didn't dwell on them.

John wrote about this, understanding that "newcomers in faith" (i.e. those with less experience handling sin) need to be guided out of it.
I write this, dear children, to guide you out of sin. But if anyone does sin, we have a Priest-Friend in the presence of the Father: Jesus Christ, righteous Jesus. When he served as a sacrifice for our sins, he solved the sin problem for good—not only ours, but the whole world’s.

"Solving the sin problem for good" means that Jesus' sacrifice gives us a fallback when we do sin. That's some hope, at least.

And he tops it up in 1 John 2:15-17 by telling us how to keep ourselves from living in sin. Reading the below passage shows that it takes a conscious effort. The subconscious temptation in itself doesn't count, so that "number of seconds" between the subconscious and conscious can't be something fixed for everyone. Sin is isolating ourselves from God, and there are some common triggers for it.
Don’t love the world’s ways. Don’t love the world’s goods. Love of the world squeezes out love for the Father. Practically everything that goes on in the world—wanting your own way, wanting everything for yourself, wanting to appear important—has nothing to do with the Father. It just isolates you from him. The world and all its wanting, wanting, wanting is on the way out—but whoever does what God wants is set for eternity.

Sin places that gun in our hands, we feel the weight and contemplate using it. The choice to press the trigger is always ours, but the longer you hold on to the gun and admire its beauty and grow dependent on it for your protection, the more likely you will use it on someone.[/size]