Science Has Its Limitations
In recent times, a number of books setting out the views of the so-called new atheists have come into circulation. These publications have caught the attention of many and have brought about no little discussion and debate. Regarding this, neuroscientist David Eagleman wrote: “Some readers walk away . . . with the impression that scientists think they have the big picture solved.” Then he added: “But good science is always open-minded, and the history of science is one of surprises.”
Down through the ages, talented scientists have indeed made surprising breakthroughs in their search for answers to puzzling questions about nature. Some, however, have also made serious errors in the process. Isaac Newton was one of the greatest scientists of all time. He showed how the force of gravitation binds the planets, stars, and galaxies into one universe. He invented calculus, a branch of mathematics used in computer design, space travel, and nuclear physics. However, Newton also pursued alchemy, a pseudoscience that used astrology and magical formulas in attempts to turn lead and other metals into gold.
Over 1,500 years before Newton, the Greek astronomer Ptolemy explored the heavens with his eyes alone. He tracked the planets across the night sky and was skilled as a mapmaker. But he believed that the earth was the center of everything. Astrophysicist Carl Sagan wrote of Ptolemy: “His Earth-centered universe held sway for 1,500 years, a reminder that intellectual capacity is no guarantee against being dead wrong.”
Today scientists face similar challenges in their pursuits. Will they ever find a complete explanation of the universe? While it is proper to acknowledge the progress science has made and the benefits it has brought us, it is also essential to bear in mind its limitations. Physicist Paul Davies observed: “The search for a closed logical scheme that provides a complete and self-consistent explanation for everything is doomed to failure.” Those words state an undeniable truth: Humans cannot completely understand the natural world. So when assertions are made about the potential of science to provide an explanation of everything that exists, it is only reasonable to take such assertions with reservations.
The Bible speaks of the wonders of nature in these words: “Look! These are just the fringes of [God’s] ways; only a faint whisper has been heard of him!” ( Job 26:14 ) There remains a vast store of knowledge that is beyond human perception and understanding. Admittedly, the words of the apostle Paul, written nearly 2,000 years ago, still hold true: “O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and beyond tracing out his ways are!”— Romans 11:33 .
Guidance That Science Cannot Provide
While science offers knowledge of the natural world, the Bible provides principles and guidance that lead to peaceful human relations and a happy, satisfying way of life. Consider the following examples.
Crime Prevention
Have regard for life
“You must not murder.”— Exodus 20:13 .
“Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer.”— 1 John 3:15 .
Make and keep peace
“Turn away from what is bad and do what is good; seek peace and pursue it.”— Psalm 34:14 .
“The fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.”— James 3:18 .
Shun violence
“Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one; he hates anyone who loves violence.”— Psalm 11:5 .
“Do not envy the violent man nor choose any of his ways, for Jehovah detests a devious person.”— Proverbs 3:31, 32 .
Family Happiness
Obey your parents
“Children, be obedient to your parents in union with the Lord, for this is righteous. ‘Honor your father and your mother’ is the first command with a promise: ‘That it may go well with you and you may remain a long time on the earth.’”— Ephesians 6:1-3 .
Teach your children properly
“Do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and admonition of Jehovah.”— Ephesians 6:4 .
“Do not be exasperating your children, so that they do not become downhearted.”— Colossians 3:21 .
Love and respect your marriage mate
“Each one of you must love his wife as he does himself; on the other hand, the wife should have deep respect for her husband.”
—Ephesians 5:33 .
Protection of the natural world
Regarding polluters of various kinds in ancient Israel, the Bible stated: “The land has been polluted by its inhabitants . . . Those inhabiting it are held guilty.” ( Isaiah 24:5, 6 ) God will hold wanton destroyers of the environment accountable. He will “bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” ( Revelation 11:18 ) They will not get away with their actions.

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So when assertions are made about the potential of science to provide an explanation of everything that exists, it is only reasonable to take such assertions with reservations.

No real scientist claims he has an explanation for everything that exists. What scientists do say is that without good evidence to support it, there is no valid reason to hold extraordinary claims as true. Like Gods who talk to human beings and made us out of clay.

There remains a vast store of knowledge that is beyond human perception and understanding.

Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you get to fill in the blank with anything that makes you feel good and then parade it as truth.

It does not logically follow that because science still has more to discover, we should dismiss it's findings in exchange for books written by extremely ignorant cave-dwellers from 2,000 years ago, who literally did not even know as much about the world around us as a modern 3rd grader.

"I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer when there is something we don't yet know. It's the intellectually honest answer, at least. We can fill in those blanks later as we do more research. For now it makes sense to keep asking questions and learning as much as we can. Settling for answers that are far less substantiated than the ones we have now frankly doesn't make sense.

While science offers knowledge of the natural world, the Bible provides principles and guidance that lead to peaceful human relations and a happy, satisfying way of life.

This is a statement borne of ignorance. Psychology and neuroscience both explore these issues empirically, and have birthed some very enlightening answers. From my years of studying both, I have learned:
- What factors contribute most to long term happiness (relationships, making progress towards tangible goals, being present in life -- not vast amounts of money or possessions like many people think)
- How we are conditioned by our environment and the effects that conditioning has on our behavior, thoughts, and feelings
- How our inner thoughts shape our experience of reality and why perspective is important
- How to cultivate focus, mental clarity, and compassion towards the self and others via empirically proven meditation practices
- What biases human beings are prone to and how to avoid making poor decisions because of them (ironically many of these contribute to religious thinking: bias towards authority, emotional biases, confirmation bias, group-think)

And regardless of what science says about any of these topics, there are thousands of texts, both religious and secular, that include directions on better living. Buddhist scripts, dating older than 500 years prior to the founding of Christianity, include beautiful instructions on how to avoid needless suffering for oneself and others, detach from egoistic desires, and live with more gratitude. The bible is not unique when it comes to guiding principles, and in many areas it is lacking (with contradictions abound. "Do not murder" on one page, and "strike infants against rocks" on another).

Also, the bible's few bits of wisdom do not validate the other things in it that are not sensible. The Hindu Vedas say we should savor every moment of life and make the most of our days. This is a valuable and true life tip. But does that now mean that Krishna and Vishnu are real and created the earth from their bosoms?

This Gurl U No Day tire?? Pls Educate Yourself First So U Don't End Up Disgracing Yourself

if U Take Out All Those Commandement Will U Still Sin?? Or Don't U Have Morals?? Or U Rely On A Book To Give U Morals??

Lilbrown007:
This Gurl U No Day tire?? Pls Educate Yourself First So U Don't End Up Disgracing Yourself

if U Take Out All Those Commandement Will U Still Sin?? Or Don't U Have Morals?? Or U Rely On A Book To Give U Morals??

do i ask you to comment? i hold on to what i believe. hold on to yours. have you ever contributed anything to any field of human endeavour? if none, hold your breath.

cloudgoddess:

No real scientist claims he has an explanation for everything that exists. What scientists do say is that without good evidence to support it, there is no valid reason to hold extraordinary claims as true. Like Gods who talk to human beings and made us out of clay.


Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you get to fill in the blank with anything that makes you feel good and then parade it as truth.

It does not logically follow that because science still has more to discover, we should dismiss it's findings in exchange for books written by extremely ignorant cave-dwellers from 2,000 years ago, who literally did not even know as much about the world around us as a modern 3rd grader.

"I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer when there is something we don't yet know. It's the intellectually honest answer, at least. We can fill in those blanks later as we do more research. For now it makes sense to keep asking questions and learning as much as we can. Settling for answers that are far less substantiated than the ones we have now frankly doesn't make sense.


This is a statement borne of ignorance. Psychology and neuroscience both explore these issues empirically, and have birthed some very enlightening answers. From my years of studying both, I have learned:
- What factors contribute most to long term happiness (relationships, making progress towards tangible goals, being present in life -- not vast amounts of money or possessions like many people think)
- How we are conditioned by our environment and the effects that conditioning has on our behavior, thoughts, and feelings
- How our inner thoughts shape our experience of reality and why perspective is important
- How to cultivate focus, mental clarity, and compassion towards the self and others via empirically proven meditation practices
- What biases human beings are prone to and how to avoid making poor decisions because of them (ironically many of these contribute to religious thinking: bias towards authority, emotional biases, confirmation bias, group-think)

And regardless of what science says about any of these topics, there are thousands of texts, both religious and secular, that include directions on better living. Buddhist scripts, dating older than 500 years prior to the founding of Christianity, include beautiful instructions on how to avoid needless suffering for oneself and others, detach from egoistic desires, and live with more gratitude. The bible is not unique when it comes to guiding principles, and in many areas it is lacking (with contradictions abound. "Do not murder" on one page, and "strike infants against rocks" on another).

Also, the bible's few bits of wisdom do not validate the other things in it that are not sensible. The Hindu Vedas say we should savor every moment of life and make the most of our days. This is a valuable and true life tip. But does that now mean that Krishna and Vishnu are real and created the earth from their bosoms?

your opinion though and it has not changed the fact that the Bible is the most reliable, constant book in history of mankind.

cloudgoddess:

No real scientist claims he has an explanation for everything that exists. What scientists do say is that without good evidence to support it, there is no valid reason to hold extraordinary claims as true. Like Gods who talk to human beings and made us out of clay.


Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you get to fill in the blank with anything that makes you feel good and then parade it as truth.

It does not logically follow that because science still has more to discover, we should dismiss it's findings in exchange for books written by extremely ignorant cave-dwellers from 2,000 years ago, who literally did not even know as much about the world around us as a modern 3rd grader.

"I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer when there is something we don't yet know. It's the intellectually honest answer, at least. We can fill in those blanks later as we do more research. For now it makes sense to keep asking questions and learning as much as we can. Settling for answers that are far less substantiated than the ones we have now frankly doesn't make sense.


This is a statement borne of ignorance. Psychology and neuroscience both explore these issues empirically, and have birthed some very enlightening answers. From my years of studying both, I have learned:
- What factors contribute most to long term happiness (relationships, making progress towards tangible goals, being present in life -- not vast amounts of money or possessions like many people think)
- How we are conditioned by our environment and the effects that conditioning has on our behavior, thoughts, and feelings
- How our inner thoughts shape our experience of reality and why perspective is important
- How to cultivate focus, mental clarity, and compassion towards the self and others via empirically proven meditation practices
- What biases human beings are prone to and how to avoid making poor decisions because of them (ironically many of these contribute to religious thinking: bias towards authority, emotional biases, confirmation bias, group-think)

And regardless of what science says about any of these topics, there are thousands of texts, both religious and secular, that include directions on better living. Buddhist scripts, dating older than 500 years prior to the founding of Christianity, include beautiful instructions on how to avoid needless suffering for oneself and others, detach from egoistic desires, and live with more gratitude. The bible is not unique when it comes to guiding principles, and in many areas it is lacking (with contradictions abound. "Do not murder" on one page, and "strike infants against rocks" on another).

Also, the bible's few bits of wisdom do not validate the other things in it that are not sensible. The Hindu Vedas say we should savor every moment of life and make the most of our days. This is a valuable and true life tip. But does that now mean that Krishna and Vishnu are real and created the earth from their bosoms?

This guy kills the thread


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joyandfaith:



your opinion though and it has not changed the fact that the Bible is the most reliable, constant book in history of mankind.

Harry Potter has fewer contradictions than the BuyBull

hopefulLandlord:


This guy kills the thread

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for ur mind

hopefulLandlord:

Harry Potter has fewer contradictions than the BuyBull

in your dream

joyandfaith:


in your dream

You can't counter my point or his point so you sy bland things

FYI, this is not "for our mind"

Our points are there staring you in the face

hopefulLandlord:

You can't counter my point or his point so you sy bland things
FYI, this is not "for our mind"
Our points are there staring you in the face

myopic points.

hopefulLandlord:


You can't counter my point or his point so you sy bland things

FYI, this is not "for our mind"

Our points are there staring you in the face

i ve stated my points. That is all. And your points are so delusional and myopic. Internet discussion cannot help you.

the fact is science has its limitation. acceptable scientific knowlege today becomes archaic tomorrow.

Bible is unchanging and can be relied upon.

joyandfaith:
the fact is science has its limitation. acceptable scientific knowlege today becomes archaic tomorrow.

Bible is unchanging and can be relied upon.

The Bible is unchanging because it's a piece of dogma(*), which tells it's followers nonacceptance will send them to eternal torture in hell. That's the only reason it's lasted so long, through fear, ignorance and indoctrination (forcing children to believe from birth before they can even think for themselves - essentially brainwashing).

Science continues to change because we continue to learn more about how our universe works as time goes on and discoveries are made. The knowledge we have rests on the shoulders of prior discoveries. If science was not constantly refining itself we'd still be living in the f*cking dark ages with people dying at age 30 from common diseases that we can now easily cure, thinking a demon is cursing them with influenza.

This constantly progressing scientific method is the only reason we even have this computer and Internet to discuss on, talk less of automobiles, modern medicine, efficient agriculture, and basically everything that makes our lives so much more convenient enjoyable and LONGER than they were in 300 BC.

Science works. It's fruits are all around us. Belittling it to defend your unfounded & outdated faith is not only totally illogical, but very much biting the hand that feeds you.

*Dogma refers to any ideology that claims it is irrefutably true even despite evidence to the contrary. There are literally thousands of different religious dogmas, the bible is NOT alone nor is it the first (Hindu Vedas, Jewish Torah, Buddhist Dharma, Shinto scripts, to name a few), it just happens to be the one that YOU were raised with/exposed to. And before white colonists conquered Africa and brainwashed us with their sh*t, we had our own traditional beliefs as well.

cloudgoddess:

The Bible is unchanging because it's a piece of dogma(*), which tells it's followers nonacceptance will send them to eternal torture in hell. That's the only reason it's lasted so long, through fear, ignorance and indoctrination (forcing children to believe from birth before they can even think for themselves - essentially brainwashing).

Science continues to change because we continue to learn more about how our universe works as time goes on and discoveries are made. The knowledge we have rests on the shoulders of prior discoveries. If science was not constantly refining itself we'd still be living in the f*cking dark ages with people dying at age 30 from common diseases that we can now easily cure, thinking a demon is cursing them with influenza.

This constantly progressing scientific method is the only reason we even have this computer and Internet to discuss on, talk less of automobiles, modern medicine, efficient agriculture, and basically everything that makes our lives so much more convenient enjoyable and LONGER than they were in 300 BC.

Science works. It's fruits are all around us. Belittling it to defend your unfounded & outdated faith is not only totally illogical, but very much biting the hand that feeds you.

*Dogma refers to any ideology that claims it is irrefutably true even despite evidence to the contrary. There are literally thousands of different religious dogmas, the bible is NOT alone nor is it the first (Hindu Vedas, Jewish Torah, Buddhist Dharma, Shinto scripts, to name a few), it just happens to be the one that YOU were raised with/exposed to. And before white colonists conquered Africa and brainwashed us with their sh*t, we had our own traditional beliefs as well.

nice.so you cannot use 'changing science' to discredit the Bible.

joyandfaith:


nice.so you cannot use 'changing science' to discredit the Bible.

Science is not changing, its our knowledge of the natural world that is been refined to a better approximate truth.

Noone denies the good bits of your bible, love your neighbor and the golden rule, we see that in other religious texts.
We accept that.

What we dnt accept is the stuffs that is scientifically impossible like
A woman being formed from a rib
A world wide flood that lasted 40days and then all the water just magically disappeared
The sun standing still wen we knw its the earth that moves
A talking snake and a talking donkey
A man born of a virgin
A man walking on water
E.t.c.

Like cloudgoddess said, its just plain dogma if you still hold on to these bits