We have been hearing tales of how species evolved by the wise men. How long does it take for a specie to evolve?

Are we still going to evolve as humans? to what? And when?

Or are we humans the peak of evolution?

We evolve every day...even our universe is evolving... the evolution is even exponential, how come you haven't noticed ?

butterfly88:
We evolve every day...even our universe is evolving... the evolution is even exponential, how come you haven't noticed ?

Yes I noticed, when I barb my hair it evolves and grows back :/

butterfly88:
We evolve every day...even our universe is evolving... the evolution is even exponential, how come you haven't noticed ?

Yes I noticed, when I barb my hair it evolves and grows back :-/

Still waiting for the wise men.

Wise men

adjoviomole:



Yes I noticed, when I barb my hair it evolves and grows back :/

lol...good

adjoviomole:



Yes I noticed, when I barb my hair it evolves and grows back :/

Lolz...If you really wanted to know, you'd have checked google and not religion section. You just want attention.

Or you just don't have an answer. Last time a Christian posted this topic, all the atheists got owned.

Ranchhoddas:
Lolz...If you really wanted to know, you'd have checked google and not religion section. You just want attention.

Omudia:
Or you just don't have an answer. Last time a Christian posted this topic, all the atheists got owned.

You wish.

adjoviomole:
We have been hearing tales of how species evolved by the wise men. How long does it take for a specie to evolve?

It depends. Through intensive artificial selection, scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a domestic animal that behaves like a dog within 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox. It normally takes much longer.

Are we still going to evolve as humans? to what? And when? Or are we humans the peak of evolution?

Due to advances in healthcare and social welfare most humans are no longer subject to natural selection. In fact humans that are arguably less fit (less intelligent, less rational) are more likely to reproduce. This has led some people to worry that we are evolving in the wrong direction: more stupid and less healthy. Evolution isn't something that happens at one moment, it's an ongoing process. Mankind, like other animals, is always evolving very very slowly.

Omudia:
Or you just don't have an answer. Last time a Christian posted this topic, all the atheists got owned.

is that what you tell yourself to make your fart smell good?

The same amount of time it takes for suns to shine.

The human form is the apex of physical evolution. From their the next evolution is spiritual evolution. For a human being to become homo immortalis. A God-realized being.

Seun:

It depends. Through intensive artificial selection, scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a domestic animal that behaves like a dog within 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox. It normally takes much longer.


Due to advances in healthcare and social welfare most humans are no longer subject to natural selection. In fact humans that are arguably less fit (less intelligent, less rational) are more likely to reproduce. This has led some people to worry that we are evolving in the wrong direction: more stupid and less healthy. Evolution isn't something that happens at one moment, it's an ongoing process. Mankind, like other animals, is always evolving very very slowly.

Scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a dog, is that evolution or the fox was tamed?


I mean evolution like water animals evolving into land creatures like the coelycanth was tot to have evolved.


So now species no longer evolve into something else anymore like you ppl claim before? evolution now means taming a wide animal or cross breeding?

Ranchhoddas:
Lolz...If you really wanted to know, you'd have checked google and not religion section. You just want attention.

Same way the atheist can check online if they want to know about God. Are they also seeking attention?

adjoviomole:



Same way the atheist can check online if they want to know about God. Are they also seeking attention?

Perhaps. At least you did not deny your attention-seeker status.

Ranchhoddas:
Perhaps. At least you did not deny your attention-seeker status.

If that's how you feel fine its none of my biz, everyone is entitled to der opinion. And whose attention would I be seeking here?

adjoviomole:



If that's how you feel fine its none of my biz, everyone is entitled to der opinion. And whose attention would I be seeking here?

Everyone's. If this is is not the case, why did you not take your inquiry to google?

Ranchhoddas:
Everyone's. If this is is not the case, why did you not take your inquiry to google?

Because google could not provide the answer so I came to ask the wise men on nairaland.

adjoviomole:



Because google could not provide the answer so I came to ask the wise men on nairaland.

Na so!!

Seun:

It depends. Through intensive artificial selection, scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a domestic animal that behaves like a dog within 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox. It normally takes much longer.


Due to advances in healthcare and social welfare most humans are no longer subject to natural selection. In fact humans that are arguably less fit (less intelligent, less rational) are more likely to reproduce. This has led some people to worry that we are evolving in the wrong direction: more stupid and less healthy. Evolution isn't something that happens at one moment, it's an ongoing process. Mankind, like other animals, is always evolving very very slowly.

Scientist evolved a wild silver fox into a domestic animal? Isn't evolution something that should happen on its own?

And,does this domestic animal have a name? i hope u know Foxes and dogs are Canine? If a dog evolves to a dog, does it make any sense? Shouldn't evolution be from a fox to something entirely different? Why should they be any selection at all? Who was there to select when an Ape became you?

analice107:

Scientist evolved a wild silver fox into a domestic animal? Isn't evolution something that should happen on its own?

And,does this domestic animal have a name? i hope u know Foxes and dogs are Canine? If a dog evolves to a dog, does it make any sense? Shouldn't evolution be from a fox to something entirely different? Why should they be any selection at all? Who was there to select when an Ape became you?

Don't mind him, I didn't know another word for evolution is tame or change

adjoviomole:
Scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a dog, is that evolution or the fox was tamed?

I think using the term evolution isn't helping us. Evolution in the wild is a product of two things: spontaneous mutations and natural selection. Domestication is an accelerated form of evolution that is conducted by human beings. It consists of spontaneous mutation and artificial selection. Domestication is different from tameness. Domestication requires a change in the character of the animal. It becomes naturally friendly with human beings, and far less aggressive. If you take a wild carnivore at a young age and raise it, it will be tame, but not domesticated. You'll still have to be very careful around the animal. All it would take for the animal to kill you is one mistake. You cannot compare a tame wolf with a dog, or a tame zebra with a horse. You can't keep tamed boars in pens like pigs. They behave very differently.

Spontaneous Mutation
What are spontaneous mutations? The process of reproduction is very complex, and sometimes error do occur, which leads to genetic abnormalities in the offspring. A child might be born with 12 toes. A cat might be born without any fur. A wolf pup might be unusually friendly with human beings. More often than not, these mutations are bad. Things like Sickle Cell Anemia. Albinism. But sometimes they are good.

Natural Selection
Most animals produce more offspring than can possibly survive. An animal might give birth to dozens of offspring during its life whereas on the long run, the environment can only sustain two offspring to replace each pair of parents. Thus the offspring are thrown into a tremendously competitive environment that only a few of them can survive. In this harsh and intense environment, if an animal is born with a spontaneous mutation that enables any animal possessing it to survive better, this mutation will spread through the population rapidly. Thus, it evolves. For example, the cheetah is fast because historically, fast cheetahs have survived better than slow cheetahs. Over time they all became fast.

Artificial Selection
Artificial selection is simply when humans interfere in the process and pick which animals get to survive based on traits they value. It allows for much faster evolution. To domesticate the silver fox, the scientists started with normal foxes, bred them with each other and selected the friendliest puppies while the ones that were not friendly were killed. Note that they were not tamed at all. They were raised in cages and not socialised at all. So the increase in friendliness could only have come from spontaneous mutations. As new mutations arose that made the foxes even more friendly, foxes that didn't have those mutations couldn't "survive" while those that did "survived" and had many offspring.

Charles Darwin made a lot of references to domestication because after seeing artificial selection working, it's easy to accept natural selection.

Seun:

It depends. Through intensive artificial selection, scientists evolved the wild silver fox into a domestic animal that behaves like a dog within 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox. It normally takes much longer.


Due to advances in healthcare and social welfare most humans are no longer subject to natural selection. In fact humans that are arguably less fit (less intelligent, less rational) are more likely to reproduce. This has led some people to worry that we are evolving in the wrong direction: more stupid and less healthy. Evolution isn't something that happens at one moment, it's an ongoing process. Mankind, like other animals, is always evolving very very slowly.

Seun you know absolutely nothing about evolution but you quickly jump on threads to declare your ignorance brazenly.....

So you now call breed selction and cross breeding done by scientists evolution?

Why are you lying for Atheism?

Seun:

I think using the term evolution isn't helping us. Evolution in the wild is a product of two things: spontaneous mutations and natural selection. Domestication is an accelerated form of evolution that is conducted by human beings. It consists of spontaneous mutation and artificial selection. Domestication is different from tameness. Domestication requires a change in the character of the animal. It becomes naturally friendly with human beings, and far less aggressive. If you take a wild carnivore at a young age and raise it, it will be tame, but not domesticated. You'll still have to be very careful around the animal. All it would take for the animal to kill you is one mistake. You cannot compare a tame wolf with a dog, or a tame zebra with a horse. You can't keep tamed boars in pens like pigs. They behave very differently.

Spontaneous Mutation
What are spontaneous mutations? The process of reproduction is very complex, and sometimes error do occur, which leads to genetic abnormalities in the offspring. A child might be born with 12 toes. A cat might be born without any fur. A wolf pup might be unusually friendly with human beings. More often than not, these mutations are bad. Things like Sickle Cell Anemia. Albinism. But sometimes they are good.

Natural Selection
Most animals produce more offspring than can possibly survive. An animal might give birth to dozens of offspring during its life whereas on the long run, the environment can only sustain two offspring to replace each pair of parents. Thus the offspring are thrown into a tremendously competitive environment that only a few of them can survive. In this harsh and intense environment, if an animal is born with a spontaneous mutation that enables any animal possessing it to survive better, this mutation will spread through the population rapidly. Thus, it evolves. For example, the cheetah is fast because historically, fast cheetahs have survived better than slow cheetahs. Over time they all became fast.

Artificial Selection
Artificial selection is simply when humans interfere in the process and pick which animals get to survive based on traits they value. It allows for much faster evolution. To domesticate the silver fox, the scientists started with normal foxes, bred them with each other and selected the friendliest puppies while the ones that were not friendly were killed. Note that they were not tamed at all. They were raised in cages and not socialised at all. So the increase in friendliness could only have come from spontaneous mutations. As new mutations arose that made the foxes even more friendly, foxes that didn't have those mutations couldn't "survive" while those that did "survived" and had many offspring.

Charles Darwin made a lot of references to domestication because after seeing artificial selection working, it's easy to accept natural selection.

Seun it seems your knowledge of evolution is limited to dogs and dog-like creatures. Appalling!

Seun:

I think using the term evolution isn't helping us. Evolution in the wild is a product of two things: spontaneous mutations and natural selection. Domestication is an accelerated form of evolution that is conducted by human beings. It consists of spontaneous mutation and artificial selection. Domestication is different from tameness. Domestication requires a change in the character of the animal. It becomes naturally friendly with human beings, and far less aggressive. If you take a wild carnivore at a young age and raise it, it will be tame, but not domesticated. You'll still have to be very careful around the animal. All it would take for the animal to kill you is one mistake. You cannot compare a tame wolf with a dog, or a tame zebra with a horse. You can't keep tamed boars in pens like pigs. They behave very differently.

Spontaneous Mutation
What are spontaneous mutations? The process of reproduction is very complex, and sometimes error do occur, which leads to genetic abnormalities in the offspring. A child might be born with 12 toes. A cat might be born without any fur. A wolf pup might be unusually friendly with human beings. More often than not, these mutations are bad. Things like Sickle Cell Anemia. Albinism. But sometimes they are good.

Natural Selection
Most animals produce more offspring than can possibly survive. An animal might give birth to dozens of offspring during its life whereas on the long run, the environment can only sustain two offspring to replace each pair of parents. Thus the offspring are thrown into a tremendously competitive environment that only a few of them can survive. In this harsh and intense environment, if an animal is born with a spontaneous mutation that enables any animal possessing it to survive better, this mutation will spread through the population rapidly. Thus, it evolves. For example, the cheetah is fast because historically, fast cheetahs have survived better than slow cheetahs. Over time they all became fast.

Artificial Selection
Artificial selection is simply when humans interfere in the process and pick which animals get to survive based on traits they value. It allows for much faster evolution. To domesticate the silver fox, the scientists started with normal foxes, bred them with each other and selected the friendliest puppies while the ones that were not friendly were killed. Note that they were not tamed at all. They were raised in cages and not socialised at all. So the increase in friendliness could only have come from spontaneous mutations. As new mutations arose that made the foxes even more friendly, foxes that didn't have those mutations couldn't "survive" while those that did "survived" and had many offspring.

Charles Darwin made a lot of references to domestication because after seeing artificial selection working, it's easy to accept natural selection.

So basically what you are saying is that we can no longer see that kind of evolution that turned apes into humans anymore?

adjoviomole:
So basically what you are saying is that we can no longer see that kind of evolution that turned apes into humans anymore?

Yes & no. The natural selection that made us what we are today didn't happen in an instant. It involved a lot of little steps that added up to a great difference over thousands of years. We can observe the small steps of natural selection within our lifetimes, but we don't live long enough to be able to observe the dramatic changes that can result from lots and lots of small steps. So we have to rely on indirect evidence. As it happens, we have been able to get so much indirect evidence that supports evolution, that almost every scientist accepts it as a fact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

From the video above, here's a list of the types of evidence we have for evolution:
1) Comparative anatomy.
2) Embryology and development.
3) The fossil record.
4) DNA Comparison.
5) Species distribution.
6) Evolution observed.
7) Predictive power of evolution.
8} Nested hierarchies of traits.

adjoviomole:



So basically what you are saying is that we can no longer see that kind of evolution that turned apes into humans anymore?

You could say that. Most of the physical factors that could cause us to evolve have been taken care of by technology.

Seun:
Yes & no. The natural selection that made us what we are today didn't happen in an instant. It involved a lot of little steps that added up to a great difference over thousands of years. We can observe the small steps of natural selection within our lifetimes, but we don't live long enough to be able to observe the dramatic changes that can result from lots and lots of small steps. So we have to rely on indirect evidence. As it happens, we have been able to get so much indirect evidence that supports evolution, that almost every scientist accepts it as a fact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

From the video above, here's a list of the types of evidence we have for evolution:
1) Comparative anatomy.
2) Embryology and development.
3) The fossil record.
4) DNA Comparison.
5) Species distribution.
6) Evolution observed.
7) Predictive power of evolution.
8} Nested hierarchies of traits.

So if we can no longer liv long to witness d real evolution. Those species that evolved den how long did dey liv to have evolved.

AnonyNymous:

You could say that. Most of the physical factors that could cause us to evolve have been taken care of by technology.

Den dat proves evolution never happened den.

adjoviomole:




Den dat proves evolution never happened den.

Maybe the english I used was too big. ok, look at this analogy:

There's somebody bullying you and you don't want to be bullied, so you go and learn karate and kung fu and become stronger until that person is not a threat to you anymore (evolution)

But nowadays, we have created a man-made fighting robot (technology) that helps us fight the bully. So instead of growing stronger, we remain in our current state while the robot does the fighting for us.

4everGod:
Seun it seems your knowledge of evolution is limited to dogs and dog-like creatures. Appalling!

Nope. It's just that artificial selection produces far more exciting results than any natural selection that we can observe within our lifetimes.

4everGod:
Seun you know absolutely nothing about evolution but you quickly jump on threads to declare your ignorance brazenly.....

How would you know? If you understood evolution you would not be wasting your time trying to disprove it.

So you now call breed selection and cross breeding done by scientists evolution?

I won't use the term evolution. The silverfox domestication project did not involve cross-breeding (you can't cross-breed foxes with any domestic animal that I know of), but it involved "breed selection". The gist of evolution is that we are all products of "breed selection" by nature.