TheSixthSense:
Very good questions from you I'm laughing here . But there are scripture-based answers to those questions, I was also curious about the triune God. Sadly, even as a pentecostal myself, pentecostalism is mostly antagonistic to intellectualism and it makes one wonder if God wanted us to be stupid before we could become true worshippers but NO! He should be glorified even with our intellect. it is rather ego-filled pastors with no depth in theology that are usually afraid of common sense questions.
Like I said, it is only in modern pentecostalism, not Christianity that expects blind faith and sustained ignorance of the bible just so that they can have free rein in the abuse genuine christians. A lot of atheists have found God through reason, historical accounts and evidences. There is no theologian, priest or pastor in orthodox churches that won't easily answer this question or even discourage asking such questions.
Nobody who knows Jesus would lie about Him.

cc OliviaPope

promise10:

Then I challenge you to prove it with the bible alone!

Rilwayne001:


Well your rantings doesn't address my points.

TheSixthSense:
What points? Do you have questions about christianity?

FriendChoice:
Christians cannot ask pastor about this verse.






Roman 1:18-25



Even now they cannot say anything about the above verse.

Rilwayne001:


Prove what? Isn't it obvious?

Do all Christians accept the concept of Trinity?

Do they all follow same interpretation of the Bible?

Is the holy spirit active?

What does one require to have the holy spirit?

TheSixthSense:

No, but most do.

No, but there are essential truths to the christian faith.

Yes, only a few would dispute that

You mean why? When you get born again you become born of the Spirit of God.

OliviaPope:
I was raised in a strong Christian household, got baptized when I was 12. My parents used to take me and my siblings to church every Sunday and for weekly services as well, we hardly missed any day. They made sure we were actively involved in church activities. They made sure to always remind us that heaven and hell were real, most especially hell.. In a nutshell, they did their best in raising me "in the way of the Lord"

The stories in the bible never actually made any sense to me but i knew not to ask questions or to have doubts so i kept silent. Each day I grew more skeptical about religion - Christianity. I wasn't totally convinced about the existence of non-existence of God. I was definitely not a Christian, I guess you could call me an agnostic, leaning towards atheism.

But i was still looking for answers, tried to be as open minded as possible. As we all know agnosticism connotes confusion and I needed to know where I stood, I became very uncomfortable being what I was - an agnostic. Christianity definitely wasn't the answer, been there done that.
So I started doing research, won't go into details about that though...

The Quranic description of a creator was much more different and the appeal to rationality and reason... So, after a long spiritual journey and a lot of learning, of course, I accepted Islam...

And I found peace

TheSixthSense:
Well done. You do a good job posting bible passages but arriving at an inaccurate conclusion. It shows you guys look into the Bible every now and again but I wonder why. I only hope you guys can learn to tolerate the rights of others in expressing disturbing historical facts about the prophet of Islam. That would be a wish, or rather dream.
If you have questions about why and how Jesus is the Son of God, and why He is worshipped why don't you ask? I always wondered why muslims can never talk about Islam without trying to re-explain Jesus Christ and comparing Islam with christianity when on their almost non-existent proselytising to non-christians.

OliviaPope:
I was raised in a strong Christian household, got baptized when I was 12. My parents used to take me and my siblings to church every Sunday and for weekly services as well, we hardly missed any day. They made sure we were actively involved in church activities. They made sure to always remind us that heaven and hell were real, most especially hell.. In a nutshell, they did their best in raising me "in the way of the Lord"

The stories in the bible never actually made any sense to me but i knew not to ask questions or to have doubts so i kept silent. Each day I grew more skeptical about religion - Christianity. I wasn't totally convinced about the existence of non-existence of God. I was definitely not a Christian, I guess you could call me an agnostic, leaning towards atheism.

But i was still looking for answers, tried to be as open minded as possible. As we all know agnosticism connotes confusion and I needed to know where I stood, I became very uncomfortable being what I was - an agnostic. Christianity definitely wasn't the answer, been there done that.
So I started doing research, won't go into details about that though...


In the course of my research, I ran into an old friend, a Muslim, we exchanged numbers and got talking... He knew about my stance on religion so he brought it up.. Usually I would change the topic but i just thought " well fvck it".. He started teaching me about Islam, I was reading about it as well. It just made sense to me. As a Christian, I had to go on blind faith, but in Islam, there's room for logic. Islam welcomes doubts and questions that I could never ask as a Christian....

The Quranic description of a creator was much more different and the appeal to rationality and reason... So, after a long spiritual journey and a lot of learning, of course, I accepted Islam...


And I found peace

Rilwayne001:


Why must they? Is it a pre requisite to enter the Christian heaven?

And the fact that they don't does that mean they don't have the Holy Spirit?

I assume everyone who claim to be Christian are under the influence of the holy, and also that to understand the Bible you must be under the influence of the holy spirit, yes or no?

If the answer is yes, why then do we have thousands of sects of the Christian faith following different doctrine derived from the Bible, could it be that the holy spirit is not active?

Well, i will like to read your reply to this thread
www.nairaland.com/3343566/war-against-christianity....by-christians

Are all Christians born again?

FriendChoice:



There are no contradiction in Islam. There are only contradistinction

onetrack:


The very first verse of the first sura contains a very glaring contradiction with the rest of the book. Allah is anything but all-merciful.

FriendChoice:
Christians cannot ask pastor about this verse.






Roman 1:18-25



Even now they cannot say anything about the above verse.

OliviaPope:
In the course of my research, I ran into an old friend, a Muslim, we exchanged numbers and got talking... He knew about my stance on religion so he brought it up.. Usually I would change the topic but i just thought " well fvck it"..

He started teaching me about Islam

As a Christian, I had to go on blind faith, but in Islam, there's room for logic. Islam welcomes doubts and questions that I could never ask as a Christian....

The Quranic description of a creator was much more different and the appeal to rationality and reason...So, after a long spiritual journey and a lot of learning, of course, I accepted Islam...

OliviaPope:
I didn't create this thread to engage in arguments about which religion is superior or true, just sharing my experience .. i have found peace like never before. Alhamdulillah

Seun:

It's not advisable to convert to Islam for romantic reasons. The prescribed punishment for changing your mind after accepting Islam is death.
There is a sharp difference between the Islam that muslims present to prospective converts and the Islam that is actually practiced in reality.
I have 3 things to say about that:
1) "O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).
2) "The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)
3) "The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad's reaction to hostile questioners.)
Source: http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm (the rest of the page is interesting. it provides a different point of view)
You appear to be a person who values reason, yet you are unwilling to accept what your brain is telling you about the existence of God.

OliviaPope:
I didn't create this thread to engage in arguments about which religion is superior or true, just sharing my experience .. i have found peace like never before. Alhamdulillah

Rilwayne001:


Prove what? Isn't it obvious?

Do all Christians accept the concept of Trinity?
Do they all follow same interpretation of the Bible?
Is the holy spirit active?
What does one require to have the holy spirit?

FriendChoice:


Elaborate what you call contradiction sir

OliviaPope:


In the course of my research, I ran into an old friend, a Muslim, we exchanged numbers and got talking... He knew about my stance on religion so he brought it up.. Usually I would change the topic but i just thought " well fvck it".. He started teaching me about Islam, I was reading about it as well. It just made sense to me. As a Christian, I had to go on blind faith, but in Islam, there's room for logic. Islam welcomes doubts and questions that I could never ask as a Christian....

OliviaPope:
I have and I still do

Rilwayne001:

Prove what? Isn't it obvious?
Do all Christians accept the concept of Trinity? Do they all follow same interpretation of the Bible? Is the holy spirit active? What does one require to have the holy spirit?

Rilwayne001:


Christianity doesn't allow for questioning and reason. The other day i asked truthmans2012 about the concept of Trinity, he said i would need the holy spirit to understand the concept. I now asked him that, could it be that you (annunaki), for you not to understand the concept, does it mean that you don't have the holy spirit? I am yet to get a response for that.

It is only in Christianity, that you have to first of all have blind faith before you can understand the way of God, it isn't so in Islam. It is only in Christianity that everyone claim to have the holy spirit as guidance when actually they all differ in the interpretation of the Bible as well as the doctrine they follow.

You know all these, don't you? Yet you go about lying for Jesus.

onetrack:


Sura 1 verse 1: "In the name of Allah , the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful."

If I understand 'entirely merciful' correctly, then that must mean he automatically pardons all sins, therefore no one goes to hell. If he sets any conditions then he cannot claim to be 'entirely merciful'.

Imagine somebody saying that they are 'entirely knowledgeable' but they don't actually know everything. It does not make sense.

How does it make a believer feel that with all the good deeds he has done and all the love that he showed towards God and then finds out that God loves the corrupt people equally? It is not fair. It is illogical. then we should stop obeying Allah, after all we will all make it 2 Paradise. Does that make sense

His mercy feeding who disbelief in his oneness

Disbelievers' sins will be all forgiven for them when they embrace Islam: Allah's mercy to non believer

Due to his mercy he forgives and forgives, again and again

If you ask Allah Almighty for forgiveness, then He'll forgive you: = Merciful

If you are grateful to Allah Almighty, then He'll give you more: His mercy.

Be sure that Allah Almighty is always Willing to forgive all of your sins:

Likewise I can go further into Bible

OliviaPope:
I didn't create this thread to engage in arguments about which religion is superior or true, just sharing my experience .. i have found peace like never before. Alhamdulillah

OliviaPope:
I was raised in a strong Christian household, got baptized when I was 12. My parents used to take me and my siblings to church every Sunday and for weekly services as well, we hardly missed any day. They made sure we were actively involved in church activities. They made sure to always remind us that heaven and hell were real, most especially hell.. In a nutshell, they did their best in raising me "in the way of the Lord"

The stories in the bible never actually made any sense to me but i knew not to ask questions or to have doubts so i kept silent. Each day I grew more skeptical about religion - Christianity. I wasn't totally convinced about the existence of non-existence of God. I was definitely not a Christian, I guess you could call me an agnostic, leaning towards atheism.

But i was still looking for answers, tried to be as open minded as possible. As we all know agnosticism connotes confusion and I needed to know where I stood, I became very uncomfortable being what I was - an agnostic. Christianity definitely wasn't the answer, been there done that.
So I started doing research, won't go into details about that though...


In the course of my research, I ran into an old friend, a Muslim, we exchanged numbers and got talking... He knew about my stance on religion so he brought it up.. Usually I would change the topic but i just thought " well fvck it".. He started teaching me about Islam, I was reading about it as well. It just made sense to me. As a Christian, I had to go on blind faith, but in Islam, there's room for logic. Islam welcomes doubts and questions that I could never ask as a Christian....

The Quranic description of a creator was much more different and the appeal to rationality and reason... So, after a long spiritual journey and a lot of learning, of course, I accepted Islam...


And I found peace

Rilwayne001:
Christianity doesn't allow for questioning and reason. The other day i asked truthmans2012 about the concept of Trinity, he said i would need the holy spirit to understand the concept. I now asked him that, could it be that you (annunaki), for you not to understand the concept, does it mean that you don't have the holy spirit? I am yet to get a response for that.

It is only in Christianity, that you have to first of all have blind faith before you can understand the way of God, it isn't so in Islam. It is only in Christianity that everyone claim to have the holy spirit as guidance when actually they all differ in the interpretation of the Bible as well as the doctrine they follow.

You know all these, don't you? Yet you go about lying for Jesus.

FriendChoice:



The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. [Quran 1:3]

Allah is most merciful, no one is merciful as Allah.




In the Quran God still Merciful to Unbelievers despite associating partners with him, despite disapproving his oneness, he still feed them, cloth them etc. Also Allah in his infinite mercy forgives the wrong doers. That is Allah's mercy to all. If Allah is not merciful he would have deny them all this.





[O disbelievers], eat and enjoy yourselves a little; indeed, you are criminals. [Quran 77:46] .

"Say: "To whom belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth?" Say: " To God. He hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy. That He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment, there is no doubt whatever. It is they who have lost their own souls, that will not believe. (The Noble Quran, 6:12) "




"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from unbelief), their past would be forgiven for them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). (The Noble Quran, 8:38) "





"The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all between,- Exalted in Might, able to enforce His Will, forgiving again and again. (The Noble Quran,
38:66) "


"Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil. (The Noble Quran, 53:32) "



"If any one does evil or wrongs his own
soul but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:110) "



"And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): 'If ye are grateful, I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed.' (The Noble Quran, 14:7) "




"Say: 'O my Servants who Have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 39:53) "





Psalm 5:4-6
4. You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell.
5. The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; [b]
you hate all who do wrong.
6. You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and
deceitful men the LORD abhors.

Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: " Jacob I loved, but Esau I
hated."

Emusan:


It's evident that you're just lying here, because someone can't answer you so you must conclude that Christianity doesn't ALLOW for questioning and reason.

Tell me the blind faith you first have as a Christian.


Thank God you said [b]"CLAIM" which means anybody can make any claim including Muhammad saying it's Allah who told him to marry Aisha. That's is a claim too!

lying for Jesus, do you even understand what you're saying?

onetrack:


Exactly my point. Allah cannot be 'all merciful' and punish anyone, even those who have not asked for forgiveness. And I would never wish eternal fire and torment on people who don't respect me, I'm a lot more merciful than that. Allah is not all merciful. He seems to be the opposite.

FriendChoice:
Christians cannot ask pastor about this verse.






Roman 1:18-25



Even now they cannot say anything about the above verse.

malvisguy212:
the verses you quote is beyond your understanding, Roman 1:18 to end is for people who do not believe in God like the atheists, paul is saying, the fact that the CREATION exist prove that the CREATOR Exist also. If the creation exist, this mean the creator exist also.

What jesus mean when he say, he fulfilled the law, read here https://www.nairaland.com/2173054/what-jesus-meant-fullfiled-law