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Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 8:16am On Nov 10, 2009
Will you shut up, extremism is forbidden in islam, the guy is a hero for disciplining those who tormented him alas
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by yeswecan(m): 9:32pm On Nov 10, 2009
@ topic

YES
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by muhsin(m): 2:48pm On Nov 11, 2009
yeswecan:

@ topic

YES

Prove it or else shut up!
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by dayokanu(m): 8:00pm On Nov 11, 2009
^^^^^^^


Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 10:06pm On Nov 11, 2009
Muslim Woman killed in courtroom bloodbath, she was 3 month pregnant, for wearing veil by a christian fanatic - The Local

http://www.google.com.ng/gwt/x?ct=np&ei=iSX7SpCcJp7oqwPU9sn7BA&output=wml&source=m&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelocal.de/national/20090703-20359.html&whp=379&wsc=pr&wsi=247dbf774b31542b
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 1:07am On Nov 12, 2009
The answer is obviously yes

Abuzola:

the guy is a hero for disciplining those who tormented him alas
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by muhsin(m): 5:35pm On Nov 12, 2009
There have been numerous attacks against Muslim students at CITY UNIVERSITY CAMPUS beginning this Monday (2nd November 2009), from local thugs, including three stabbings (against Muslims) on Thursday (5th November 2009) around Angel Station area. On Thursday, the thugs damaged the recently refurbished Gloucester Building entrance by hurling rocks and bricks at it, targetting the Muslim students that are stuck inside the glass cage.

Read more here

http://cityisoc.com/2812-islamophobic-attacks-on-campus/
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 5:44pm On Nov 12, 2009
muhsin:

There have been numerous attacks against Muslim students at CITY UNIVERSITY CAMPUS beginning this Monday (2nd November 2009), from local thugs, including three stabbings (against Muslims) on Thursday (5th November 2009) around Angel Station area. On Thursday, the thugs damaged the recently refurbished Gloucester Building entrance by hurling rocks and bricks at it, targetting the Muslim students that are stuck inside the glass cage.

Read more here

http://cityisoc.com/2812-islamophobic-attacks-on-campus/

give us credible news from a news station not some hogwash ,fly by night Islamic fundraising site.

When were the students attacked ?
for what reason
what were their names
was it reported to police
and what was done?
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 5:54pm On Nov 12, 2009
Is CNN and other media not own by the christian
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by muhsin(m): 5:58pm On Nov 12, 2009
Leave that Osisi of a character alone; she's being suffering from lipsrsealed Hence she barely understands things these days. Too bad. cheesy
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 6:08pm On Nov 12, 2009
Abuzola:

Is CNN and other media not own by the christian

and they report credible news.
What are the names of the Muslims that were attacked and how can I verify from other sources or should I just swallow it because some insignificant al queda wannabe group that is prone to lies said so?
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 6:12pm On Nov 12, 2009
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Nidal Malik Hasan was two men.

One was the proud Army major who wore battle fatigues to mosque; the other, the proud Arab who wore Muslim garb in civilian life.

What brought Hasan's identities into fatal conflict was his belief that Iraq and Afghanistan were unjust wars, and his shock that he, a Muslim, was to be sent to serve in one of those wars, against fellow Muslims—a sin against Allah meriting damnation.
Hasan was conflicted by a dual loyalty—to the country he had sworn to protect, and to his perceived duty as a Muslim. [size=24pt]When Hasan told his neighbor that morning, "I am going to do good work for God," the call of jihad overrode his oath of loyalty as an American soldier[/size].

Hasan proceeded to shoot, wound or kill 44 U.S. soldiers, and die on what he saw as the side of right, the side of Islam, against America. "Allahu Akbar!"—"God is great!"—Hasan shouted as he began firing.

An Internet posting by "Nidal Hasan" compared suicide bombers to Medal-Of-Honor winners who throw themselves on grenades to save fellow soldiers. Hasan had decided to become a suicider for Allah.

Though this was an act of treachery against his fellow soldiers, of treason in wartime, of terrorism and mass murder, Hasan must have seen himself as a hero and martyr.

Few ever commit atrocities like this. But conflicts in identities and loyalties are common in the cauldrons of war.

"Let none but Americans stand guard tonight," said Washington at Valley Forge. Irish Catholics deserted the Union army to fight beside Mexican Catholics in the San Patricio battalion against what they thought was American aggression. Honored today by Mexico, the San Patricios were hanged when captured by Winfield Scott's army.

In Scott's march to Mexico City was Robert E. Lee. The hero of Buena Vista was Col. Jefferson Davis, who had married the daughter of his commanding officer, future President Zachary Taylor. Davis went on to serve in the Cabinet of Franklin Pierce and the U.S. Senate.

Yet, in 1861, Davis and Lee would depart the service of their country to wage war against the United States on behalf of their new nation and the kinfolk to whom they belonged and whom they believed had a right to be free of the Union. Were they traitors—or patriots?

This is not to compare the deeds of the San Patricios, Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, all of whom declared themselves openly and fought heroically and honorably, with the crimes of Maj. Hasan.

But it is to raise the issue of conflicting loyalties in the hearts of men in a nation that has declared religious, racial and ethnic diversity to be not only a national good but a national goal.

Whence came this idea? No previous generation believed this.

In World War I, Wilson feared that if he went to war, German-Americans might march on Washington. FDR was so fearful that the blood ties of Japanese citizens and residents would trump their loyalty to the United States he ordered 110,000 transferred from California to detention camps for the duration of the war.

In Arkansas last year, a Muslim opposed to the U.S. wars shot two soldiers at a recruitment center, killing one. In Kuwait, before the invasion of Iraq, a Muslim soldier threw a grenade into the tent of his commanding officer, killing two and wounding 14.

This is not to suggest that all American Muslims or Arabs should be citizens under suspicion. Muslims have died fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, as German-Americans died fighting against Germany in two world wars. But it is to say this:

America is unraveling. No longer are we one nation and one people. Tens of millions have come and tens of millions are coming whose first loyalty is to the kinfolk and country they left behind, and to the faith they carry in their hearts. And if, in our long war against "Islamofascism," we are seen as trampling on their nation, faith or kinsmen, they will see us, as Hasan came to see us, as the enemy of their sacred identity.

There is no American Melting Pot anymore. It was discarded by our elites as an instrument of cultural genocide. Now we celebrate America as the most multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural country on earth, the Universal Nation of Ben Wattenberg's warblings.

And, yet, we are surprised by ethnic espionage in our midst, the cursing of America from mosques in our cities, the news that Somali immigrants are going home to fight our Somali allies, and that illegal aliens march under Mexican flags to demand American citizenship.

Eisenhower's America was a nation of 160 million with a Euro-Christian core and a culture all its own. We were a people then. And when we have become, in 2050, a stew of 435 millions, of every creed, culture, color and country of Earth, what holds us together then?

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Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 9:31pm On Nov 12, 2009
And you expect us to believe the lies of ur christian media either, Hilarious !
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 9:38pm On Nov 12, 2009
43% of Nigerian Muslims support suicide bombings

does Islam support killings?
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0sisi: 9:41pm On Nov 12, 2009
Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims
Friday, September 11, 2009By Patrick Goodenough, International Editor




A new survey gauging Muslim attitudes indicates that backing for suicide bombings against civilians, while generally down from earlier years, remains significant in some Islamic countries – challenging the assertion that Muslims supporting terrorism constitute a “tiny minority.”

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable “to defend Islam from its enemies.”
That view was shared by 43 percent of respondents in Nigeria and 38 percent in Lebanon, where 51 percent of Shi’ites held the view compared to 25 percent of Sunnis.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0hsisi: 12:18am On Nov 13, 2009
and the response to the above claim which is clear is


Sorry 0sisi, you've lost your forum posting privileges.

Reason: Falsehood. 43% of PALESTINIAN muslims, not Nigerian.



shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

Is the truth that painful that it has to covered up with lies ?
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0hsisi: 12:20am On Nov 13, 2009
see the full text



Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims
Friday, September 11, 2009By Patrick Goodenough, International Editor




A new survey gauging Muslim attitudes indicates that backing for suicide bombings against civilians, while generally down from earlier years, remains significant in some Islamic countries – challenging the assertion that Muslims supporting terrorism constitute a “tiny minority.”

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable “to defend Islam from its enemies.” That view was shared by 43 percent of respondents in Nigeria and 38 percent in Lebanon, where 51 percent of Shi’ites held the view compared to 25 percent of Sunnis.

Elsewhere, the proportion of Muslim respondents supporting suicide bombings against civilians was 15 percent in Egypt, 13 percent in Indonesia, 12 percent in Jordan, seven percent in Israel (Muslim Arab citizens), five percent in Pakistan and four percent in Turkey.
Of the eight countries polled, support for suicide bombings increased since last year in five of them.

On the other hand, this year’s results show a decline over the period since 2002.

Pakistan recorded the most striking drop: In 2004, 41 percent of respondents justified suicide terrorism, whereas the number recorded this year was five percent. Terrorism has surged in Pakistan since 2007, and this year alone, at least 750 people had been killed and 2,276 injured in 365 bombings inside Pakistan as of the end of August, according to figures compiled by the South Asia Terrorism Portal in New Delhi.

The Pew survey also found although majorities in Nigeria (54 percent) and the Palestinian territories (52 percent) expressed “confidence in the al Qaeda leader [Osama bin Laden] to do the right thing regarding world affairs.”

In the other countries surveyed, the Saudi terrorist enjoyed the backing of 28 percent of respondents in Jordan, 25 percent in Indonesia, 23 percent in Egypt, 18 percent in Pakistan, 16 percent in Israel, four percent in Lebanon and two percent in Turkey.

The biggest drop in support for bin Laden was measured in Indonesia (down 34 points since 2003), Jordan (down 28 points) and Pakistan (down 28 points). The trend in Nigeria was in the opposite direction – up 10 points since 2003.

‘Tiny minority’

The poll comes amid reports that the New York Police Department – after taking flak from Muslim organizations – has inserted into a key report on terrorism a “statement of clarification,” saying among other things that “a tiny minority of Muslims … subscribe to al-Qaeda’s ideology of war and terror.”

The two-page statement has been added to a report first drawn up by two NYPD intelligence analysts in 2007 and reportedly used by government agencies around the U.S. The report is entitled “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat.”

The report examines the jihadist ideology, inspiration provided by al-Qaeda, and the process of radicalization, including political, social, economic and personal factors that can act as catalysts. It also highlights the role of the Internet in disseminating the jihadist ideology.

When the report first came out, it caused a stir among Islamic organizations. In response, some came together to form the Muslim American Civil Liberties Coalition (MACLC), which late last year released a critique.

In it, MACLC said the NYPD report “presents a distorted and misleading depiction of Islam and its adherents,” calls their loyalties and motivations into question, and “erroneously associates religious precepts with violence and terror.”

It contested the NYPD’s argument that the threat of “Islamic-based radicalism” was growing, calling it unsubstantiated and speculative.

To back up that position, MACLC cited a 2008 Gallup Center for Muslim Studies survey which found that across 10 Muslim-majority nations, the radicalized group – those saying 9/11 was “completely justified” and voicing an unfavorable opinion of the U.S. – comprised “about seven percent of the total population.” (Seven percent of 1.3 billion, the estimated number of the world’s Muslims, is 91 million).

The “statement of clarification” now inserted by the NYPD points out that the report focuses on terrorism in the West, inspired by and linked to al-Qaeda.

“The twisted ideology that underpins this specific type of terrorism claims its
legitimacy from an extremist misinterpretation of Islam. As a consequence, this particular type of terrorist ideology has historically found most of its supporters to be Muslim.

“Nevertheless, NYPD understands that it is a tiny minority of Muslims who
subscribe to al-Qaeda’s ideology of war and terror and that the NYPD’s focus on al-Qaeda inspired terrorism should not be mistaken for any implicit or explicit justification for racial, religious or ethnic profiling.”

In a letter to NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly this week, MACLC welcomed the appearance of the “statement of clarification” but said the police department needs to do more to publicize the move, which it said had apparently been made “without any public announcement.”

It also argued that the report itself remained unchanged, and said it regretted that the statement of clarification “was relegated to an insert within the report, rather than being implemented throughout the text itself.”

MACLC raised several other unresolved concerns, saying the report “should more clearly state that there is no per se link between Islam and terrorism and that the report’s focus on al-Qaeda should not be read to suggest such a link.”




so why the cover up?
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 6:07am On Nov 13, 2009
Thats the punishment for copy and paste, spam bot arrested ur initial ID.


As for the so called suicide bombing i also support it, thats our most sophisticated tactic in dwinding the kufar.

Suicide is forbidden in islam, what is suicide: suicide is the act of killing oneself alone, hence the bombing by the mujahideen is far to be called suicide because they use their body as booby trap to inflict more damages on the infidel
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Nobody: 6:08am On Nov 13, 2009
^^ undecided
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by dayokanu(m): 6:19am On Nov 13, 2009
Ask the fort Hood Allahu Akbar Major Nidal
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Nobody: 2:04pm On Nov 13, 2009
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Abuzola:

Thats the punishment for copy and paste, spam bot arrested your initial ID.


As for the so called suicide bombing i also support it, thats our most sophisticated tactic in dwinding the kufar.

Suicide is forbidden in islam, what is suicide: suicide is the act of killing oneself alone, hence the bombing by the mujahideen is far to be called suicide because they use their body as booby trap to inflict more damages on the infidel
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by muhsin(m): 3:00pm On Nov 13, 2009
I these days find Osisi's postings laughable, wallahi. Her intelligence is apparently fading away.

Any way, does their support for Bn Ladin's make his action truly Islamic? I wonder o!

How many times have we heard that gay Archbishops were appointed as heads of Churches? Does the support he has/had has any religious basis; and thus make his gayism christianity?

Think woman.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 3:51pm On Nov 13, 2009
She can't think
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by muhsin(m): 4:02pm On Nov 13, 2009
I kinda see that too.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by focused123(m): 3:04pm On Nov 14, 2009
Will you shut up, extremism is forbidden in islam, the guy is a hero for disciplining those who tormented him alas
@Abuzola :

You are extremely stupid. Infact you are a stupid idiot.

How did US torment him ? The opportunity that he will NEVER have in Jordan is what he got in US. Islamist seems to have a very short memory. When Saddam Hussein was in power, even Saudi Arabia was scared of him. It took US who was able to stand up to his mighty terror.

Now that the so called Iraq have been liberated, all the Islamist are talking rubbish.

Anyway you can never trust a muslim. A good muslim is a dead muslim.

grin grin grin
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by focused123(m): 3:12pm On Nov 14, 2009
Yes Islam support killings. Killings, murder and terrorism is part and parcel of Islam. Islam is NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT TERRORISM

8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

*** Allah is again on the side of Muhammad inflicting death and destruction upon His own PREDESTINED creatures ***

8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."


8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land."

33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."


33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time.


33: 61 They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter -murdered, a horrible murdering."

Bukhari:4.220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Bukhari:4.256 "The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, 'Their women and children are from them.'"

*** Muhammad was an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PREDATOR. He could not show any Mercy or Compassion to any and ALL who did not believe as he did. His followers, even at the present time, after the lapse of 1450 years, exhibit the same unrestrained HATEMONGERING and WARMONGERING characteristics, all over the world ***

God will save us from terror (Muhammedan Islam)

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Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 8:19pm On Nov 14, 2009
Quran 36

10 It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
11 You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Quran), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by focused123(m): 11:28pm On Nov 16, 2009
Quran 36

10 It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.
11 You can only warn him who follows the Reminder (the Quran), and fears the Most Beneficent (Allah) unseen. Bear you to such one the glad tidings of forgiveness, and a generous reward (i.e. Paradise).

@Abuzola Bin Laden :

What rubbish are you quoting from your satanic verses ? Who told you that you are going to heaven ? Muhammed is in hell, and that is where you will be unless you repent.

Nonsense.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola(m): 2:34pm On Nov 17, 2009
Quran 4

36. Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;

37. Those who are miserly and enjoin miserliness on other men and hide what Allâh has bestowed upon them of His Bounties. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a disgraceful torment.
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by focused123(m): 11:25pm On Nov 17, 2009
@Abuzola :

68:42 "On the day when the great calamity of doom befalls them in earnest, and they are ordered to prostrate themselves, they will not. There shall be a severe affliction. Their eyes will be downcast, abasement stupefying them; ignominy will cover them. Seeing that they had been summoned beforehand to bow in adoration, while they were still whole and unhurt, they refused."


68:44 "Then leave Me alone with such as reject this Message and call Our pronouncements a lie. Systematically by degrees, step by step, We shall punish them in ways they can not even imagine.

This implies that Allah resides in Hell
Allah is in Hell, kindling its fires; presumably while Malik - the guardian of Hell - is idle watching Allah do his job .

Since Muhammed is equal to allah. That means Muhammed is in hell as well.

[b]As usual in the Quran & the Ahadith, Allah, the alleged creator of humanity, the one who had already Pre-Destined them to whatever fate he had already decided upon, relishes, gloats and revels at the torments and tortures he is inflicting upon those whom he made into UNBELIEVERS/ DISBELIEVERS.

It is BLASPHEMY as well as beggars belief, logic, justice and morality to attribute to Allah - if he were the God of Israel - such evil charcateristics.

Most important of all is the following corollary regarding the DOGMA of PRE-DESTINATION:


1. Pre Destination destroys FREE WILL


2 Without Free Will, there is no reason for RELIGION


3 Without Religion, there is no need for PROPHETS


4 Without Prophets, there is no need for MUHAMMAD


5 Without Muhammad, there is no need for the QURAN


6 Without the Quran, there is no need for Satan since he cannot DECEIVE whom Allah destined NOT to ERR


7 Without the Quran, there is no Muhammadan ISLAM


8 The Dogma of PRE DESTINATION completely DESTROYS 'ISLAM' [/b]
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by 0hsisi: 3:32am On Dec 01, 2009
The answer is still yes
Re: Does Islamic Religion Support Killing? by Abuzola11(m): 9:36am On Dec 01, 2009
Keep shut

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