hey,

i want us to talk about this,

i think this should stop,

What about beating in schools, even in colleges, and especially merciless beating by parents, and adult family members.?

It's okay to punish an incorrrigible child by beating or other ways of discipline but can we please do it moderately instead of beating to permanently injure the child.

Any beating of children, in the name of teaching them to be good, that will leave the child with any kind of injury, no matter how small the injury, is an abuse and should not be allowed.

Wallayi i don chop cain in my arabic school tire, to the extent that am a super star in chopping cain, people watch me with amusement and anonymous as i use one hand to receive multiple lashes without making an inch of the hand movement, i smile while receiving the severe whipping, especially the ladies they enjoy watching the scene. Wow that was then, school was sweet like butter mint.

Salam,

This has little or nothing to do with Islamic schools. It largely depends upon the approach of the teacher teaching; one is Authoritarian, Democratic and Lesseiz faire, as educationists say.

Authoritarian as the name implies deals with students authoritatively, giving them hash and hard treatment in addition to corporal punishment.

Democratic is a direct opposite of the above.

And Lesseiz faire is a fool, if I may call him. He's next to statue in the class--as he never instructs students to do anything. lol!

The real issue goes this way. BUT many Islamic school teachers do as authoritarian teacher does. Looking at this you understand the real problem lies not with the school system but with the teachers methodology.

lol

chei!! those days

thing is i think the Ustaz should be more lenient, the fear of that whip is the beginning of wisdom

we used to 'packing' wear more clothes and add cardboard to our behinds

You had me laughing, Muki. And you remind me of how we used our slates as shields.

lol . .i never gave out my hand . i prefered to turn my behind

we got caught once sha and it was not pretty

Hmm . . . Mukinatu

In my case: who gave you a chance or choice to either give hand or some other parts of the body? Whip would just "shower" on you from all direction.

Beside madarasah, even some teachers devise that way of teaching, as I said above. Some days ago, I met one of those teachers in our school. I greeted him respectfully, and asked if he recognize me. He answered no. I then introduced myself, telling him the level I am currently. He was really surprised. When I asked of what he was doing he said (a lie) that he is a staff. It later came out in the wash that he's in a level below mine! This is life; nothing is permanent.

Thus my advice to teachers is to treat their students as humbly as possible. Corporal punishment is madness and unprofessionalism.

seriously corporal punishment nor easy

the cane marks, the wounds sef.

some boys in our Dara became masters , dem nor dey feel.

if i am late for Dara, i plead with my mum not to go, cuz i know i will be whipped

mukina2:

seriously corporal punishment nor easy

the cane marks, the wounds sef.

some boys in our Dara became masters , dem nor dey feel.

if i am late for Dara, i plead with my mum not to go, cuz i know i will be whipped

Didn't you ever behave truancy? Be sincere, Muki.

LoL who dash me

they will send big boys to go search for you.

i would tell my mum about the cane , sometimes she will go with us and explain why we are late

if she asks us to go by ourselves, we go to my grandma's house , she will call the alpha and plead for us.

That man sabi cane sha

the strokes ranged from 3,6,9, and 12


depends on your offence, if you are late its 3, noise causing 6, forgot ur sura/letters na 6, rudeness na 9
truancy na 9 -12

mukina2:

LoL who dash me

they will send big boys to go search for you.

i would tell my mum about the cane , sometimes she will go with us and explain why we are late

if she asks us to go by ourselves, we go to my grandma's house , she will call the alpha and plead for us.

That man sabi cane sha

the strokes ranged from 3,6,9, and 12


depends on your offence, if you are late its 3, noise causing 6, forgot your sura/letters na 6, rudeness na 9
truancy na 9 -12

You would not dare of course.

lol no o . who want 12 stokes of that whip?

3 sef na wahala talkless of 12

I didn't get too much of the cane. Was too scared of beating, so i tried to be good. I would even cry when someone else is getting whipped. I swear, I hated it, hated it, soooooo much.

I never got caned at Ile Ikewu beacuse I was a goooood girl.   

But I have more scars than I can count from the floggings at Primary School and Secondary School.  One crazy Secondary School teacher in particular never punished just one person.  If one person did something wrong in class, we all got caned.  Horrible man.  I never cried though.  I was a tomboy.   

The worst beating I ever saw anyone get was at that same Ile Ikewu o.  This boy must have done something really bad, because the Alfas were very nice and just.  I enjoyed it so much there I wish my parents had let me go for much longer.

Anyway, this boy must have stolen something or touched a girl inappropriately or something very bad or obscene in some way.  No one came to his aid, which is unusual amongst Yorubas, because someone will always come and beg forgiveness for you no matter how bad your crime.  Which led us to believe he really did deserve the beating.  He was getting flogged in the corner while we all had to sit there and recite the Surah we just learned.  I will never forget it.  I think he came back the next day and never got into trouble again as long as I was there.

isale_gan2:

But I have more scars that I can count from the floggings at Primary School and Secondary School.  One crazy Secondary School teacher in particular never punished just one person.  If one person did something wrong in class, we all got cained.  Horrible man.  I never cried though.  I was a tomboy.   

Thats what I kept reiterating; beating is not done only in Islamic schools as the OP says.

isale_gan2:

I never got caned at Ile Ikewu beacuse I was a goooood girl.   

But I have more scars that I can count from the floggings at Primary School and Secondary School.  One crazy Secondary School teacher in particular never punished just one person.  If one person did something wrong in class, we all got cained.  Horrible man.  I never cried though.  I was a tomboy.   

The worst beating I ever saw anyone got was at that same Ile Ikewu o.  This boy must have done something really bad, because the Alfas were very nice and just.  I enjoyed it so much there I wish my parents had let me go for much longer.

Anyway, this boy must have stolen something or touched a girl inappropriately or something very bad or obscene in some way.  No one came to his aid, which is unusual amongst Yorubas, because someone will always come and beg forgiveness for you no matter how bad your crime.  Which led us to believe he really did deserve the beating.  He was getting flogged in the corner while we all had to sit there and recite the Surah we just learned.  I will never forget it.  I think he came back the next day and never got into trouble again as long as I was there. 

wow, we called ours Ile Kewu too

That boy was not stubborn then, we had some stubborn boys back then oh. One particular boy got beaten every week. That boy had iron in his body . Alfa go beat am tire. saidu Lawal

i remembered a scene in my madrasa way back in kano,

this guy is our senior and a kind of nigga,

one day he came late along with many of us, so he uztaz was flogging us all but when it reach this guy, he will move to next line, he keep doing this until d uztaz noticed him., and ordered him to come to the front,

we are still waiting for our turn as d junior u no now

but this guy is proving strong head, so d uztaz try to show power, and d guy said alfa epon ra yin le now( respect ur self) d alfa was very annoyed and tryied to prove he his strong too, when this guy climb the desk and give d uztaz a slapping kick, wow


it was like a movie infact we really thank dat guy because we escape d flogging dat day,

d guy just runaway his parent came begging, but d uztaz was too hurt to allow him back,

lol

bilms:

i remembered a scene in my madrasa way back in kano,

You lived in Kano? Where? Sabon-Gari?

edited: don't want to be misunderstood

mukina2:

wow, we called ours Ile Kewu too

That boy was not stubborn then, we had some stubborn boys back then oh. One particular boy got beaten every week. That boy had iron in his body . Alfa go beat am tire. saidu Lawal

That's funny? Is your language Yoruba or similar? "Ile" is Yoruba for "house" or "home."

Yeah, the boy didn't go to the dark side o. I think they caught him just in time. Maybe he wasb't meant for the hard life. After the severe punishment, je came back to Ile'Kewu the very next day or a few days later and never got in trouble again.

I never attended an islamic school in Nigeria When i was in primary school my dad employed a teacher to teach me the quran at our home, there was a day i did not do well and the teacher threatened to beat me in a loud voice and my dad heard upstairs, he came down and paid the teacher off. I was so happy back then . _{My dad has never beaten me before NEVER ever}

@lagosboy- are you the last born ?

@isale- it seems you enjoy ur skul plus beating story gan like ur name implies.
In my arabic school it is a taboo to beat a female on the bottock.
There are thousands stories that is yet to be unravel. I was among the bigger boiz in my class and the only one that graduated coz they rest drop out due to stern rules.
It was all fun.

Abu Zola:

@lagosboy- are you the last born ?

@isale- it seems you enjoy your skul plus beating story gan like your name implies.
In my arabic school it is a taboo to beat a female on the bottock.
There are thousands stories that is yet to be unravel. I was among the bigger boiz in my class and the only one that graduated coz they rest drop out due to stern rules.
It was all fun.

The beating on the buttocks was in secondary school where they had all kinds of teachers including Christians.  Never got beat in Islamic school ever.  Never saw a female being beat there so don't even know how they do it.

Not sure what you mean by the "name implies."  Name is for Isale-Gangan, the area where I was born.

Alright, secondary schools is always worst on beating.

In my secondary school teachers are been threaten and beaten, there was a case where a student punched a teacher on the face in school though he was severely penalised

Abu Zola:

@lagosboy- are you the last born ?

Yes

lol

You've not answered my question, blims.

Lagosboy:

I never attended an islamic school in Nigeria When i was in primary school my dad employed a teacher to teach me the quran at our home, there was a day i did not do well and the teacher threatened to beat me in a loud voice and my dad heard upstairs, he came down and paid the teacher off. I was so happy back then . _{My dad has never beaten me before NEVER ever}

I wonder if you'll give your child the same upbringing, Lagosboy.

@lagos- Wow, thats interesting, i use to know last born as omo mummy but this time around is omo mummy ati daddy, how i wish to see ur cheek. Lol

isale_gan2:

That's funny?  Is your language Yoruba or similar?  "Ile" is Yoruba for "house" or "home."

Yeah, the boy didn't go to the dark side o.     I think they caught him just in time.  Maybe he wasb't meant for the hard life.  After the severe punishment, je came back to Ile'Kewu the very next day or a few days later and never got in trouble again. 

its similar not Yoruba but similar, its from the tribe called Oku.

fact is Ilekewu plus the cane was not fun

we had some alfas who just loved beating.

he will beat for Alawba ( fees) , some kids will chop their fees, it was not much, it was like money a kid can use to buy junk food, it was also tempting

for talking , forgetting your Sura,/tafsir.

i enjoyed the singing parts, Sara Kew and Bunuhib

those days chei!!!